A request to the Admins. Protect interests of larger KDs.

[kendy]

Your best 3 options are 1. eoa cf with that kd for basically whatever terms they want. 2. start pking them one at a time over and over. Eventually they'll get tired of dieing and ask for a cf. 3. get an outside kd to help you.

This the way to go. #2 is the best. WD from war, and KILL these guys. Its what they want. Maybe the KD you war will help as they get a WW

[stealth4785]

Just accept whatever CF deal. Break it when its convenient for you and wreak havoc. Its just a game, its not like charting is going to get you a better job in life or anything.

[Pillz]

Offer on the table is 5k acres to octobrev or the deletion of their monarch.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Its just a game, its not like charting is going to get you a better job in life or anything.

****, could have told me sooner.

[Bart of Sparta]

Its just a game, its not like charting is going to get you a better job in life or anything.

Wtf. Are you kidding me? Why the **** have I been spending so much time on this game... GG

[Bo To]

Finally, we thought this charade had ended and entered into a war. Within 24 hr of our WAR start, this guy suddenly turns out of vacation and his KD starts razing us into our war. They have as of now PK'd one of our chained provinces. Now as we all know, interfering with wars is not something that we respect in Utopia. My request to the admins is to take necessary actions against this KD. Since we are not to disclose KD locations here, please suggest a way we can share info with you.

And how end of age CF is worsе than this? There are KDs that will retail even if it's going to cost them a lot time so it's always better to accept their CF and move on...

[Ganga]

I've always been one to say ghettos should plunder/rob these "top" kd's, simply because its not worth it for them to try and raze you down as punishment. Your core can punish their bottom provinces while the rest of their kd is out of nw to do anything efficient. KDNW gains, and there is always a bunch of 10Mil+ plunder/rob in those top 10 Kingdoms, just look at a couple low nwpa provinces.

You can be razed to under 400 acres, and then within a week be limited by kd size again. They are looking to crown, you just fsu. Don't take that CF either, You want to be able to come back for another plunder/rob later.

[Caelum]

Offer on the table is 5k acres to octobrev or the deletion of their monarch.

I know of this conflict, and no I'm told octobrev is *not* in that kingdom, their names are just troll.

Also, while I understand the frustration and have considered taking it upon myself to help raze down that kingdom...it is important to allow that kind of behavior in this game. The spirit of the game is to allow the politics to play out on their own. There aren't many games where you can truly play politician and use underhanded tactics to piss other people off. You can truly take on the role of North Korea in Utopia. If that wasn't possible, I would probably quit the game (even though I don't typically partake in that kind of action myself). Likewise, the ability for you to call on friends and allies to "punish" players like this is another great aspect of this game. You can do so (and you have, I know for a fact there are 2 kingdoms 2x-3x the size of the 'offender' currently razing them down).

The game already caters (imho) too much to the larger kingdoms. No doubt you've gotten pissed off when you drop out of a CF only to get bottom feeders hitting your top guys. When you made your hit (even if you did get 0 scientists) you made the choice to partake in that bottomfeeding style of play. If you're going to do that, you have to accept the potential consequences....and react to them when they happen.

[Caelum]

Oh, also...I'm told Bishop is *in* this kingdom (the offender kingdom)...supposedly he confirmed it in IRC (I didn't witness this).

If I were to look at that kingdom and you told me Bishop was there, I'd doubt it. If you told me their actions and told me he was there, I'd not doubt it nearly as much.
But I guess whether I doubt it or not doesn't really matter, the point is....if he's in that kingdom, and you're here asking for his intervention.
Well..........

[Korp]

I know of this conflict, and no I'm told octobrev is *not* in that kingdom, their names are just troll.

Please its no troll its just to sate octobrevs ego but he does indeed not play with us though hes more active than most in our priv. :)

Oh, also...I'm told Bishop is *in* this kingdom (the offender kingdom)...supposedly he confirmed it in IRC (I didn't witness this).

If I were to look at that kingdom and you told me Bishop was there, I'd doubt it. If you told me their actions and told me he was there, I'd not doubt it nearly as much.
But I guess whether I doubt it or not doesn't really matter, the point is....if he's in that kingdom, and you're here asking for his intervention.
Well..........

I can confirm that hes in the kingdom but to be honest hes not one to turn a blind eye to cheating (if that was what we were doing and we're not the kingdom that the OP speaks about) hes more harsh towards us than anyone else.

So the conflict OP talks about and what Steel is talking about is two seperate conflicts.

[Caelum]

I've always been one to say ghettos should plunder/rob these "top" kd's, simply because its not worth it for them to try and raze you down as punishment. Your core can punish their bottom provinces while the rest of their kd is out of nw to do anything efficient. KDNW gains, and there is always a bunch of 10Mil+ plunder/rob in those top 10 Kingdoms, just look at a couple low nwpa provinces.

You can be razed to under 400 acres, and then within a week be limited by kd size again. They are looking to crown, you just fsu. Don't take that CF either, You want to be able to come back for another plunder/rob later.

Absolutely not true.
A couple of ages ago I personally witnessed a situation where a top kingdom made a bottom feeding hit into a little kd. The guy retaliated...one hit.

I watched for the next 3-4 days as every province in the top kingdom razed into the smaller kingdom nonstop...army in/army out. Even after the smaller kingdom went fortified, the razes continued. The news feed was amazing. NW doesn't matter when razing, remember that.

Granted, a coordinated effort from multiple kingdoms into a top kingdom would likely have a different ending.....but I wouldn't be surprised to see that escalating into a server-wide war with no winners. Not that it'd ever happen, because good luck getting enough small kingdoms to cooperate with a plan like that when they could instead just be warring each other.

[octobrev]

It's all about choosing the right moments. You need some knowledge of their CFs and the general landscape to judge how many ****s they can afford to give.

[Caelum]

Please its no troll its just to sate octobrevs ego but he does indeed not play with us though hes more active than most in our priv. :)




I can confirm that hes in the kingdom but to be honest hes not one to turn a blind eye to cheating (if that was what we were doing and we're not the kingdom that the OP speaks about) hes more harsh towards us than anyone else.

So the conflict OP talks about and what Steel is talking about is two seperate conflicts.

Oh I know he wouldn't turn a blind eye to cheating. I'm no fan of Bishop by any means but I am fair, and in all fairness that is a field he has done great work with.

I'm just saying that...*because* it isn't cheating, OP is barking up the wrong tree =P

[StratOcastle]

(It's a qeyestio of...oh, that's a spellcheck anomaly. I went on a side trip to see the meaning of this word.)

It's a question of principals. What's more important to you; resources or standards? I'm clearly a standards guy.

Kingdoms united in one or the other tend to do well. I'd venture, many brittle kingdoms are divided along these lines. A kingdom that is pragmatic about resources tend to be crowning kingdoms. This is just meta taking the role of messiah. Leadership need only point to the chalkboard when questions of vengeance or reputation come into play. Before I go further, there are shades of both in all kingdoms. It's important that the bias is smoother throughout a united kingdom.

Principal kingdoms are fairly rare because this is a math based game. The known mechanics are comforting to the mathematician. Unknown mechanics drive them crazy. Note the difference in my reaction to the science changes vs the players frustrated with alleged rng. - Enough of that, but you see how a united, principled kingdom makes hell for a pragmatic kingdom. This doesn't mean one or the other isn't evil, it simply means one is concerned about its resources and the other about sending a message/never quitting.

[CharToe]

Yeah, I think always keep things in perspective as well.

It's just a game.. so even if they raze kill people, sure, just restart. If they want the fool's gold and ops to stop, then just give us CF and we can both go on with our lives

(It's a qeyestio of...oh, that's a spellcheck anomaly. I went on a side trip to see the meaning of this word.)

It's a question of principals. What's more important to you; resources or standards? I'm clearly a standards guy.

Kingdoms united in one or the other tend to do well. I'd venture, many brittle kingdoms are divided along these lines. A kingdom that is pragmatic about resources tend to be crowning kingdoms. This is just meta taking the role of messiah. Leadership need only point to the chalkboard when questions of vengeance or reputation come into play. Before I go further, there are shades of both in all kingdoms. It's important that the bias is smoother throughout a united kingdom.

Principal kingdoms are fairly rare because this is a math based game. The known mechanics are comforting to the mathematician. Unknown mechanics drive them crazy. Note the difference in my reaction to the science changes vs the players frustrated with alleged rng. - Enough of that, but you see how a united, principled kingdom makes hell for a pragmatic kingdom. This doesn't mean one or the other isn't evil, it simply means one is concerned about its resources and the other about sending a message/never quitting.