#1 vs#2 honor kds

[Elit]

For Elit and Citadela and whatever other people keep trying to explain away the actions of FS is just silly. How long has FS been waving into TBB now? 2 days? It's just free acres with shoddy reasoning to keep doing it. Trash play is trash play, doesn't matter who does it.

You gained unfair advantage from other KD before our second war and its result you won now you losing unfair gained advantage make it a bit more fair to us.

Im not try to explain FS hits, its perfect fine and i full support it. What im try to explain is: your KD refuse deal with CR because you had arranged your gold farming with Sparta. Its made you confident you can win in b2b war when its wont be possible if you used only your kingdom resources. You moved to position you alone never can get and its very unfair and you deserve to be punished for it.
One more note. From what i see in forum you already build your bad relation with FS long ago. They hit you is much result from it too.

[Elit]

pretty obvious that CR and TBB were intending to go three rounds ESPECIALLY after CR explored like 15k acres in EOWCF. FS is chart shaping, just like they've always done. It should come as a surprise to literally no one. Still doesn't make your actions any less trash.

Its was CLEAR after first war too and Sparta giving 300 mill gold CHART Shape second war. Reason TDD won was this chart shape. So put all your blame on TDD/Sparta for MAP play in 1vs1 b2b wars.

[citadela01]

I guess it is just pure coincidence then that FS continues to pound down TBB's elves while CR and TBB are moving towards max meter. Maybe it is just bad luck with timing and what not. I suppose it is more plausible that FS is simply feeding on TBB, since TBB can't really fight back.

What justification ?
I made it very clear we felt ****played by TBB and we jumped them to pay them back.
They could have fight uphill battle vs us, or roll over and tank a wave or two, and we would be satisfied.

They opted to create double hostile and drag us thru mud about doubling them. Fine, your purogative, dont expect us to be nice though.
We are mean and vindictive.

[HerpNDerp]

You gained unfair advantage from other KD before our second war and its result you won now you losing unfair gained advantage make it a bit more fair to us.

Who gained an unfair advantage? TBB did? How? By getting gold from Sparta? Elit -- we've already been over this. Nothing about that was unfair. YOU decided that your war win wasn't good enough. YOU decided to pursue a b2b war with TBB right OOW. YOU made the choice to pursue that war after TBB said 'nah' to farming out land and honor to you for nothing in return. And then YOU lost the second war. That is YOUR fault. No one else's.

Im not try to explain FS hits, its perfect fine and i full support it. What im try to explain is: your KD refuse deal with CR because you had arranged your gold farming with Sparta. Its made you confident you can win in b2b war when its wont be possible if you used only your kingdom resources. You moved to position you alone never can get and its very unfair and you deserve to be punished for it.
One more note. From what i see in forum you already build your bad relation with FS long ago. They hit you is much result from it too.

Of course you think they are fine and you fully support it. FS is doing something that you weren't able to do. If the roles were reversed, I literally cannot even imagine how hard you would be crying on the forums. Your post is the most open admission I think the forums will get that FS is clearly working with TBB to knock TBB down a couple notches and by the looks of it, TBB is knocking CR down several notches as well.

'Unfair' and 'deserve to be punished for it' are the most opinionated and ridiculous things to say Elit. Honestly, it's disappointing to see you say something like that. That just shows you are a sore, sore loser. It's only unfair to you in your f***** up way of viewing this game since things didn't work out like you wanted them to. TBB did nothing 'wrong' according to the previously established non-rules of Utopia. What CR and FS are doing right now is ****play, and everyone knows it.

[MyNameIsMatija]

It's funny how ppl know more about what groups we are in than ourselfs. Wopwop, U n Matija should put on the foil hats.

I wouldn't call it exactly funny, tragicomical at best, actually who am I kidding, it IS funny.
Seriously though I was off your case since citadela finally sent some truth to the matter from your tent, you are a nice guy, so why don't you give it a rest regarding me, if you really want to keep this going I got all day though.

[HerpNDerp]

Its was CLEAR after first war too and Sparta giving 300 mill gold CHART Shape second war. Reason TDD won was this chart shape. So put all your blame on TDD/Sparta for MAP play in 1vs1 b2b wars.

Clear to who? CR? Once again, that is your fault you decided to b2b them. You could have been ok with taking the war win and moving on. You weren't ok with that. That is your problem. No one else's. This really isn't that hard to understand.

@ Citadela -- Oh NOW you feel like you were ****played by TBB? You could have just waved them once or twice (like you did) and then moved on. It's day two or three now bro, and by the looks of the news, you are still hitting into TBB as recently as last tick? Edit: not last tick...but like 3 ticks..

FS decided to create a double hostile under the most false of pretenses. You are mean and vindictive, thats nice. Good to know. At least you acknowledge your ****play.

[Korp]

Clear to who? CR? Once again, that is your fault you decided to b2b them. You could have been ok with taking the war win and moving on. You weren't ok with that. That is your problem. No one else's. This really isn't that hard to understand.

Wiat a minute, its Elit fault that Sparta fed a kingdom 300 million gc? And in all of this why are you so blatantly disregard the giving of the gold as a none issue? (havent read the thread)

[Badumpz]

So much bs justification going on here to ****playing tactics. Nobody asked CR to immediately wave TBB after they exit eowcf. They could have gave themselves more prep time instead of giving button straight away. Don't blame others for your own mistakes.

[handofthrawn]

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

most likely plenty of multis around and its expected - as tbb monarch is known multi and confirmed to be saved on different ppls phones under different nicks, which is the exact reason he is mostly not contacting other kingdoms himself..

[Korp]

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

We cant all be secret top players that used to win a lot of crowns but refuse at the same to validate any of his claims. :)

[octobrev]

Learn to use burner phones when you need to use whatsapp etc in your exploits imop.

[Uncle Ed]

I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

1) CR and TBB went to war, and CR won.
2) While in CF we asked Sparta to assist us with gold coin to rebuild.
3) CR decided their war win was not enough, and waved us again.
4) We offer CR a CF and they demanded honor and land. We declined.
5) TBB declares within 36 hours of getting button and wins the 2nd war. We chose land bonus to increase gap with CR to avoid 3rd war.
6) CR got upset that they lost 2nd war since they were expecting free acres and honor, or another victory in war against a much weaker opponent.
7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection.
8) CR gets aid from their allies to explore 15k acres and prepare for third war with TBB. (over 800mil gc to CR from allies. See? I can make up numbers too)
9) CR's thieves are caught stealing gold, runes, and gathering intel on TBB.
10) Attacks are made by both sides.
11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.
12) TBB offers CF to FS and tags hostile since 3rd war with CR is imminent.
13) TBB goes aggressive and waves CR giving them the button.
14) Over next 3 days both CR and FS has hit TBB. FS has still not accepted CF and has taken over 15k acres from TBB's top provinces.
15) CR has still not pushed the button. They are continuing to receive aid from their friends while their friends continue to beat down TBB's top provinces.
16) Noone will mess with CR for their dishonorable actions since they are in the MAP.

This is what happens in the Top Tier. The MAP wants to come off as some kind of hero, that Utopian Police so to speak. However, all they are protecting is themselves even when they know their members are wrong. Emeriti and FS should have scolded CR for their actions after our first war, and if they truly are the Utopian Police they should have offered us assistance. I mean, how many times have you heard of a kingdom winning a war, and then waving them again right out of protection and demanding more honor and land? It's a first for me. Instead, Emeriti and FS say we should have just given them our honor and land, and should not have asked for financial aid to rebuild even though they do it all the time. Now they punish us by offering their gold and armies to assist CR after their loss.

Now before you ask why we waved them after the second war, read how the MAP brags about how we "took the bait". Yes, we thought CR was prepared and willing to war for a 3rd time. Their actions showed their intent to war us a third time, and the assistance from the MAP put us in their range. I guess we were wrong. They do not want a war, they want to massacre us and they enlisted the MAP to assist them. If you ever want to join a top tier kingdom, make sure it is part of the MAP, or they will find a reason to hinder your success, no matter how lame that reason is.

[Elit]

Its really sad to see how ppl in TDD cant understand and accept taking 300 mill gold in b2b war is no different from ask friends to wave KD you are going to war. TDD had zero chances for get ready for his second war. This 300 mill gold gave them win but its result from 2 kingdom resources vs 1. How Bart like to call it MAP play. So its only natural if you play 2 vs 1 to get in return same....Still when FS waved TDD its was 1vs1 till you decide to wave CR back and put yourself in 2vs1.

[Meep]

I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

1) CR and TBB went to war, and CR won.
2) While in CF we asked Sparta to assist us with gold coin to rebuild.

Here, you accidentally skipped a part.

This is when Bart, and he's open about this, knowing a round 2 was coming, and being butthurt that he had lost the age, decided that he needed to farm you hundreds of millions of gold to fund your round two war efforts.

3) CR decided their war win was not enough, and waved us again.
4) We offer CR a CF and they demanded honor and land. We declined.
5) TBB declares within 36 hours of getting button and wins the 2nd war. We chose land bonus to increase gap with CR to avoid 3rd war.
6) CR got upset that they lost 2nd war since they were expecting free acres and honor, or another victory in war against a much weaker opponent.

Oops, you forgot a part again. CR is mad that Bart and TBB decided to ****play them, so we decided to deal with you to disincentivise further ****play in the future

7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection.
8) CR gets aid from their allies to explore 15k acres and prepare for third war with TBB. (over 800mil gc to CR from allies. See? I can make up numbers too)

Except, our 300m number isn't made up, it's what you actually strole.

9) CR's thieves are caught stealing gold, runes, and gathering intel on TBB.
10) Attacks are made by both sides.
11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.
12) TBB offers CF to FS and tags hostile since 3rd war with CR is imminent.
13) TBB goes aggressive and waves CR giving them the button.
14) Over next 3 days both CR and FS has hit TBB. FS has still not accepted CF and has taken over 15k acres from TBB's top provinces.
15) CR has still not pushed the button. They are continuing to receive aid from their friends while their friends continue to beat down TBB's top provinces.
16) Noone will mess with CR for their dishonorable actions since they are in the MAP.

This is what happens in the Top Tier. The MAP wants to come off as some kind of hero, that Utopian Police so to speak. However, all they are protecting is themselves even when they know their members are wrong. Emeriti and FS should have scolded CR for their actions after our first war, and if they truly are the Utopian Police they should have offered us assistance. I mean, how many times have you heard of a kingdom winning a war, and then waving them again right out of protection and demanding more honor and land? It's a first for me. Instead, Emeriti and FS say we should have just given them our honor and land, and should not have asked for financial aid to rebuild even though they do it all the time. Now they punish us by offering their gold and armies to assist CR after their loss.

Now before you ask why we waved them after the second war, read how the MAP brags about how we "took the bait". Yes, we thought CR was prepared and willing to war for a 3rd time. Their actions showed their intent to war us a third time, and the assistance from the MAP put us in their range. I guess we were wrong. They do not want a war, they want to massacre us and they enlisted the MAP to assist them. If you ever want to join a top tier kingdom, make sure it is part of the MAP, or they will find a reason to hinder your success, no matter how lame that reason is.

Stop being a little *****.

You lost a war, you decided to ****play to win round 2.

Now you're getting ganged up on to take away the benefits of your ****play.