#1 vs#2 honor kds

[sUpeRneBU]

I suppose you take any approach a reasonable person would do in a case of trying to mediate a dispute.

1) Ask both parties what they want
2) Find a middle ground for both parties
3) Are both parties willing to meet in the middle ground? If yes, great! If not, stay out and let them do their thing. You can only force an outcome if you are willing to be directly involved in the matter, or else it is not your battle to fight.

The last 30 pages had been nothing but external parties fuelling this drama and people talking about almost-unrelated history and their utopia resume or comparing nut sizes and ****-flinging. The clear case here is that it is unlikely there are any middle grounds for this to stop, and Sparta is not gonna get directly involved in the matter; this leaves you to the last and most logical course of action: stay out.

Yes you may express your frustrations but I think that has already been done and haters gonna hate, arguing beyond this point is simply killing any hopes of Divinity/FS/CR/TBB coming to a resolution for future ages, which is what should be worked on. And I'm sure there are a lot of room for creativity as to what the 4 parties may want for future ages.

Well, that's a constructive comment I must say, Han. You've always been the most sane and nicest to talk to. TBB/CR/FS/DIV - heed Astron's advice and work things out.

Check out Feint's posts. All the personal attacks and name-calling. Such maturity from a so called pro (since he's calling ppl newbie). Tsk tsk

[dawan]

Main question:

1. After the first TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were still in active conflict, hence taking the gc was ****play.
2. After the second TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were not anymore in active conflict, which means FS should be allowed to wave in.

Q to FS: What made you judge #1 and #2 differrently?

Perhaps they can't answer that. They "maybe" being a loyal member of the so called alliance just wants to join the bandwagon.

TBB, why you wave CR then for third war?

[astron]

Main question:

1. After the first TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were still in active conflict, hence taking the gc was ****play.
2. After the second TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were not anymore in active conflict, which means FS should be allowed to wave in.

Q to FS: What made you judge #1 and #2 differrently?

negro, you said to try to fuse the situation. why you doing this now :( putting any parties on the pedestal for blame isn't exactly gonna end this conflict is it ? whip them to agree to something for future ages d00d

[astron]

Well, that's a constructive comment I must say, Han. You've always been the most sane and nicest to talk to. TBB/CR/FS/DIV - heed Astron's advice and work things out.

Check out Feint's posts. All the personal attacks and name-calling. Such maturity from a so called pro (since he's calling ppl newbie). Tsk tsk

Feint along with all these <10 post count accounts are just sub-par species crawling out to stir the pot, and i'm sure if we leave them all to argue on their own, this thread will die within a day or two when the parties involved stop posting. Don't feed the trolls.

[baka]

I want an alliance war. Long time since there was a good one.

[astron]

Asking for 35% of acres in exchange for CF is nothing out of the ordinary. It's called negotiating. I usually start at 50% myself.

ma brother from another mother, does big boss wanna tango with TBB for CF or something nxt age ? It would be very nice if everyone can carebear up and agree to EOACF next age and let the policemen do the work on enforcing it if someone breaks the deal imo !

[Uncle Ed]

Astron, the conflict will end when the age does. Do you honestly think FS/CR/Div had any other intentions besides destroying TBB? We all know for the rest of this age we will have to deal with them, and most of us will have to restart after being PK'ed. We still had an awesome age. My first full age with TBB and I enjoyed the hell out of it. We won 6/7 wars and were #1 in honor. That is a first for me. To me, the age ended a week ago when the alliance decided to take us down. I am looking forward to next age now. Would love to say I look forward to warring FS next age, but they have already shown they don't want any part of TBB unless their buddies get to play too. lol

[Badumpz]

Perhaps they can't answer that. They "maybe" being a loyal member of the so called alliance just wants to join the bandwagon.

TBB, why you wave CR then for third war?

Probably they figured CR will get external help to ****play gb on them especially after suffering a huge loss and emeriti breaking cf to hit them out of eowcf. Furthermore FS started the wave with six hits on them with three hits from CR, TBB had to react because a b2b2b is expected at that point.

[citadela01]

Main question:

1. After the first TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were still in active conflict, hence taking the gc was ****play.
2. After the second TBB v CR war there was no CF agreed, hence TBB and CR were not anymore in active conflict, which means FS should be allowed to wave in.

Q to FS: What made you judge #1 and #2 differrently?

Since you asked twice.
Those 2 were very diferent.

TBB knew very well they were heading into b2b straight up oow.
Even if we disregard the clear intent to ****play while they stalled CF negotiations while robbing outside gold (ie going afk on zauper for 60 hours during that time) you kept feeding them gold even after hostilities started and they happily sucked on Sparta tit.
This went on untill Eme stepped in and demanded you 2 to cf I belive?
Clear ****play by any means.

We waved 2 days after they went oow, and after Eme allrdy waved them and cfed them.
If you consider those relation open you can say any KD on server who ever warred eachother and didnt walk away witj cf agreement is hostile.
Which is dumb.

Lasty that is not main question at all, it is in fact moot.

Even if fairytale you concocted by presenting 2 out of 20 relevant fact as the only ones that actuall matter, I could ask you/TBB the same question.

Either we aplied their own standards on them or those are not the same.

Like I said, moot.

[jacko]

I dont think he will accept your challenge. He need meat balls to do that.

I don't need any kind of balls to answer such pathetic argument. Besides, Bart was kind enough to enlighten us all : "6. Sparta decides to farm TBB a ton of money to prevent the B2B from taking place."
The money were never destined for anything else than preparing for a b2b war. Not that we didn't knew that already; I mean, c'mon, just because 2 guys are denying it strong it doesn't mean the rest of the world can't see thru that sh*t ...

Bart, ty for that; but you still haven't answered me on the single question I've asked you. Page 53/ #792.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You were asked to leave. Not kick. Lol--ed. Seriously you are delusional. But I believe you should be in good hand now with Bart.

I wasn't asked to leave FS, ever, by anyone except Francis hinting it in freeze time once when we argued saying something "after all you've said to me here I'm not sure we should be playing together anymore" - something along those lines, but during the same argument he said something like "this is your chance to prove your worth" (referring to the upcoming age). Point is, this was in freeze time, I still played in FS like nothing happened, I wasn't told to leave or anything, I played their first war with them, we won the war, then Francis had to harp on about something again, at which point I decided to just tell him I'm leaving, if I hadn't decided that there I would obviously continue playing there at that time (I did nothing wrong during the war). Yume says she was nice to me which is true, she told me all sort of nice things and made it hard for me to actually part ways, Loiso as well in freeze time, making some nice points which are the reason I gave it a shot and was on my best behavior during the war. When I fought Francis after the war again is when yume told me: "I was really hoping you two wouldn't fight before our next war where you could show him how you can build" (this is referring to the fact I built defspecs in protection, already here Francis harped on about that so I just purposely left it like that to troll him). I'm really repeating myself here... if you don't get it by now you never will so I won't touch on the matter anymore.

[baka]

ma brother from another mother, does big boss wanna tango with TBB for CF or something nxt age ? It would be very nice if everyone can carebear up and agree to EOACF next age and let the policemen do the work on enforcing it if someone breaks the deal imo !

Don't know what big boss wants so can't speak for him. But my suggestion to TBB would be to suck it up and approach each kd for a CF so to salvage whatever is left of their age instead of crying on the forums - sometimes leadership needs to bite the dust and take one for the team and drop the ego.

[astron]

Astron, the conflict will end when the age does. Do you honestly think FS/CR/Div had any other intentions besides destroying TBB? We all know for the rest of this age we will have to deal with them, and most of us will have to restart after being PK'ed. We still had an awesome age. My first full age with TBB and I enjoyed the hell out of it. We won 6/7 wars and were #1 in honor. That is a first for me. To me, the age ended a week ago when the alliance decided to take us down. I am looking forward to next age now. Would love to say I look forward to warring FS next age, but they have already shown they don't want any part of TBB unless their buddies get to play too. lol

I'll reply this because you're part of TBB (or seems like that to me). Most readers here know very well this is not gonna end when the age does. If this was your first time crossing path with KDs like CR/Div/FS, you gotta understand that the concept of b2b can carry on to next age and every subsequent age to come until disbandment or boredom, if an agreement cannot be reached.

If warring FS next age is your wish then I guess a fair shot at warring them is what you'd probably want. (ah ha! so there is probably something you might want afterall! nebu, see?)

Leaving this relations open and carrying them over for the next age pretty much ensures that you will never get a fair shot at them. Grudge isn't going away, but the least you can all do is to sit together, hold hands and agree to some terms and maybe bend over a little to buy the survival of your kingdom.

I am all for drama for **** and giggles but experience tells us that your kingdom will not survive this drama with those 3 specific kingdoms on your ass, and I personally frown upon disbanding kingdoms in this already-tiny community. Would memoria consider taking another small hit in ego to buy some peace?

[Goodwitch]

The only shot at a fair war could be OOP before locations are known lol and even then highly unlikely

[MyNameIsMatija]

Y'all need Jesus or something

I have octobrev, it's much more interesting and fun.