#EndTheAge

[ivan_ddimitrov]

We need to know end of the age from the beginning. So all can make their plans. Atm most kingdoms become inactive after 3rd month because they know that age will end soon. It seems this age will be min 4 months so most will have 1 boring month. and not sure how many people will leave during that boring month.

[Korp]

We need to know end of the age from the beginning. So all can make their plans. Atm most kingdoms become inactive after 3rd month because they know that age will end soon. It seems this age will be min 4 months so most will have 1 boring month. and not sure how many people will leave during that boring month.

Why not keep on doing what you doing. The age wont end in a blink of an eye, it will be announced at least a week ahead. So what are you scared of?

[Earth]

Sorry Ivan any request to know the end of age will be respectfully ignored. Many people over many ages with the last 2 people being the worst I can remember wanted to know end dates, but to no avail they just run the age longer.

[Korp]

Hard to know when the age will end when its not planned yet. :(

[Elit]

Sonata and dreams had largely the same ls. Pansies was the Sid show. He was the central leader, made the big decisions and passed it on. He was not in dropbearz(which, again, was before the wol / bf merger, winning on the weak server). I don't know what dropbearz roster looked like tbh.

Pansies won 18 19 20 22. Pansies joined abs in 22.

I missed all this drama with octo and you but better late from never.

About Sonata and Dreams its 2 complete different KDs. Different lead share in both kds part from core players. Sonata was around for 3 ages first 2 lead from Realest last one he was not in KD. Dreams started with leadership mess. Realest was supposed to lead but when i joined (last one in kd) I had big argue about it so we agree about co lead me and Dirty and Realest manage intra kd but ABS GB on Dreams made him leave and Dirty had his long planed visit India so its left me alone during most critical times. Next age leaders was again me and Dirty. From what i know Dirty never was in Sonata too. So both kds had very different lead.

After Season disband Realest made Sonata so part from KD core joined new KD and many from same ppl joined late Dreams (5-7 ages difference from disband Sonata till build Dreams). Now you have some from same ppl in CR :P

[MyNameIsMatija]

Elitish sucks after you've had two beers, now I see where Shai was coming from.

[Elit]

Elitish sucks after you've had two beers, now I see where Shai was coming from.

Its getting better after few more beers! Keep it ;)

[maugrim]

Sonata and dreams had largely the same ls. Pansies was the Sid show. He was the central leader, made the big decisions and passed it on. He was not in dropbearz(which, again, was before the wol / bf merger, winning on the weak server). I don't know what dropbearz roster looked like tbh.

Pansies won 18 19 20 22. Pansies joined abs in 22.

Dropbearz was made up of FAITH / Identity Crisis - Doccy, Arbaal, P-O, earry, ol mauggy :P, etc

[AquaSeaFoam]

Octo's crown list is nice, but it makes no sense to compare crowns on the noob server with the crowns on the competitive server. You might as well count genesis crowns or even utopia clone crowns. It's hard to overstate how bad WoL was compared to the competitive server back then.

If you were in the bottom 10% of Battlefields the age before, you would be demoted to WoL. Remember that there was no legal trading or inviting back then. Only kingdoms with 7 or more players choosing to not stay in the kingdom would stay on WoL with any kingdoms having more than 18 remaining provinces being promoted to battlefields. The only good kingdoms who played there did so by exploiting the system and scripting in a bunch of provinces age start to fill their kingdom back up with their traded provinces. They'd then compete against kingdoms that were demoted after being on the bottom 10% of the competitive server or had half a kingdom of active players.

Brute Force was a good kingdom and could compete on Battlefields, but they were formed as a group of players who were also playing on battlefields that just wanted to smash noobs on the "kiddie" server. Same for Dropbearz (who were definitely not Pansies). Playing on both servers was explicitly against the rules back then but not that well enforced. It's like if a bunch of major league baseball players decided to join a recreational softball league against a bunch of average guys there mostly to drink beer. Would you count a victory in a recreational softball league in the same category as winning the World Series?

I also suspect there may be more errors in the counts but it's a pretty decent compilation anyway.

[Band of Horses]

Octo's crown list is nice, but it makes no sense to compare crowns on the noob server with the crowns on the competitive server. You might as well count genesis crowns or even utopia clone crowns. It's hard to overstate how bad WoL was compared to the competitive server back then.

If you were in the bottom 10% of Battlefields the age before, you would be demoted to WoL. Remember that there was no legal trading or inviting back then. Only kingdoms with 7 or more players choosing to not stay in the kingdom would stay on WoL with any kingdoms having more than 18 remaining provinces being promoted to battlefields. The only good kingdoms who played there did so by exploiting the system and scripting in a bunch of provinces age start to fill their kingdom back up with their traded provinces. They'd then compete against kingdoms that were demoted after being on the bottom 10% of the competitive server or had half a kingdom of active players.

Brute Force was a good kingdom and could compete on Battlefields, but they were formed as a group of players who were also playing on battlefields that just wanted to smash noobs on the "kiddie" server. Same for Dropbearz (who were definitely not Pansies). Playing on both servers was explicitly against the rules back then but not that well enforced. It's like if a bunch of major league baseball players decided to join a recreational softball league against a bunch of average guys there mostly to drink beer. Would you count a victory in a recreational softball league in the same category as winning the World Series?

I also suspect there may be more errors in the counts but it's a pretty decent compilation anyway.

I am willing to take a non popular stance here. Because there were more than one kingdom scripting into WoL back then, it was at least as competitive if not more competitive than the current state of the game. So if we consider the current ages chart leaders as World Series Championships we should consider those back then as well. And furthermore, Honor and (LOL) War wins chart wins today count towards ANYTHING?

[Zauper]

I am willing to take a non popular stance here. Because there were more than one kingdom scripting into WoL back then, it was at least as competitive if not more competitive than the current state of the game. So if we consider the current ages chart leaders as World Series Championships we should consider those back then as well. And furthermore, Honor and (LOL) War wins chart wins today count towards ANYTHING?

Hmm, as one of the few people who competed on both wol back then and today (I think I'm the only person to be M in both cases?), I'd say competition today is harder than wol was then. You couldn't crown on 1 login / 48 hours kdwide. Even expendibles needed more than that, and was more competent at farming small kds than wol required back then.

[Band of Horses]

Hmm, as one of the few people who competed on both wol back then and today (I think I'm the only person to be M in both cases?), I'd say competition today is harder than wol was then. You couldn't crown on 1 login / 48 hours kdwide. Even expendibles needed more than that, and was more competent at farming small kds than wol required back then.

How many KDs won WoL back then with only half a kingdom for half the age? We were also encouraged not to log in via 20h bonus. Expedibles won crown with 0 conflicts, farming ghettos with skill doesn't make it a more competitive environment.

[AquaSeaFoam]

BoH, fair point about current competition being weaker than it was back then, however that still doesn't mean that past non competitive server results should be counted. It'd make more sense to count the #2 competitive server finishers as a crown instead. If we want to count casual servers we should also count genesis and why not the winners on the various clones. The reality is that it only makes sense to count winners from one server per age with that server being the competitive server.

Also was there always really more than one scripted kingdom on the casual server? The #2 kingdom on Brute Force's triple crown age is "EVIL CINEMA AR" who finished in 2nd place in both land and honor to Brute Force. I have no recollection of that kingdom and have never seen them on anyone's list of any "good" kingdom. They finished 7k acres and 9k honor below Brute in Brute's "magical" ghetto server age.

[Band of Horses]

BoH, fair point about current competition being weaker than it was back then, however that still doesn't mean that past non competitive server results should be counted. It'd make more sense to count the #2 competitive server finishers as a crown instead. If we want to count casual servers we should also count genesis and why not the winners on the various clones. The reality is that it only makes sense to count winners from one server per age with that server being the competitive server.

Also was there always really more than one scripted kingdom on the casual server? The #2 kingdom on Brute Force's triple crown age is "EVIL CINEMA AR" who finished in 2nd place in both land and honor to Brute Force. I have no recollection of that kingdom and have never seen them on anyone's list of any "good" kingdom. They finished 7k acres and 9k honor below Brute in Brute's "magical" ghetto server age.

It is my recollection that there were more than 1 each age doing it, but that could be wrong. I think an argument could be made that genesis was more competitive than the current state of the game, no? Perhaps we should draw a line in the record books kind of like baseball did (back to Zaup's reference :) with pre and post steroid era. I wouldn't know when that would be ofc, but should this age's honor crown be worth as much as a PB land crown? Was Expendables 0 fights (Unless you count the trick war to start the age when they were rofl fsu fighting a ghetto 8 v 20) equal to pansies? Are cJ and sillies equal to EVIL CINEMA AR? (PROBABLY YES!)

[AquaSeaFoam]

I agree that not all crowns are created equal. Still if you're "counting crowns" it really only makes sense to count them on the one competitive server each age, not genesis and not the casual server, wol.

Brute was a collection of players who also played in good battlefields kingdoms as their "real" kingdoms. It wasn't supposed to be a real competitive kingdom, it was just to bash noobs for fun. Eventually they became a real kingdom with most of their players no longer playing in other BF kingdoms and they moved to Battlefields.

Other kingdoms followed in their footsteps after since it looked like fun so in the following ages there was typically 2-3 or so kingdoms that were competitive and could have been top 20 on Battlefields. The #5 WoL kingdom was generally pretty comparable to an average bottom half Battlefields kingdom.