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Last edited by Palem; 09-02-2017 at 02:51.
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Originally Posted by flogger
So if you earn your position through strategic planning throughout the age and outplaying others which amounts in a big lead it's ok for one kingdom to erase all of that hard work by deliberately giving up a huge amount of land to shape charts? That's basically like you and I play a mock stock market game for a month to see who can earn the highest return, your net worth is much higher than mine after the month but then my dad writes me a big check so I can catch up to you. Where's the skill in that?
Everyone starts at 400a. I believe in earning my land through fights and positioning, not having someone give it to me if I'm not good enough to compete. I've never been out of crown race before (or severe underdog) then beat up some kd in war and had them give me double after war is over so I could go catch up to wherever #1 is, that's just shady/unethical in my book.
I didn't think it was cool for The U to give FS free land 2 ages ago just so FS could have had a better chance to fight us. We're bigger tha Fs because we played better and no one was in position to beat us, no one did us any favors or gave us land deliberately to shape charts so we could be #1. Deals like that are chart shaping and the only people willing to do that kinda stuff are the ones butthurt over a specific kingdom winning and wanting to prevent it via deliberate farming. If you don't want someone to win, go and beat them in war and show them you're better. Don't go farming your kingdom out. Fortunately most people aren't willing to do this as its demoralizing for their player base.
Last edited by Proteus; 09-02-2017 at 04:30.
Having the #2 and #3 kingdoms collude for one to massively farm land to the other to help the other fight the #1 kingdom isn't much different from them just 2v1 the #1 kingdom. Last age, CR gb'd another kingdom due to that kingdom farming gold prior to CR waving them. Surely, farming a huge amount of land in collusion with another kingdom for the purpose of using it to fight someone else is even worse in the way of fair play.
Emeriti has already proven they are willing to take fair fights or even ones where they are at a disadvantage, but that doesn't mean that they want to have the #2 and #3 kingdoms team up against them just because they earned a big lead.
Last edited by AquaSeaFoam; 09-02-2017 at 05:10.
I don't think it is considered collude. It is just extra war term included. Beside the usual bonus what a war win can give.
If you say that, offer acres for cf which is deem as extra CF terms also fall into your category
You must be joking if you are trying to say a deal where two kingdoms agree to have the one winning a war and already getting a war win bonus an additional 30% of their land specifically stated for the purpose of helping the other fight the #1 kingdom is not colluding.
An acres for cf deal is made when one kingdom wants to fight and the other does not and the one not wanting to fight offers some land to get a cf instead. The amount of land agreed upon is usually some amount less than the two kingdoms expect the other would take in a fight. The kingdom giving the land tries to negotiate to give as little as possible while still getting a cf deal to avoid fighting and losing more.
This is not at all the same as a kingdom giving an absurd amount like 30% specifically to help the other kingdom fight a different kingdom.
I don't have a spectacular memory like some guys like Zauper so excuse me if I can't remember all of the details.
One of HoH age we crowned I can't remember if it was the age that Rage won networth and HoH won land I think. Rage had an EOA CF with Melee Weapons leaders name was lead pipe or something, Rage had farmed them pretty bad prior.
I was playing one of our killers and things were very tense Proteus was saying how lucky we were etc to have good relations with Absalom. Anyways alls I see is Proteus (I assume) the Co-Monarch in my news both them and us had war spoils and each was looking for a last minute acre grab to get over the top. Luckily Proteus Co-Monarch was taken away by someone so the peace was kept between HoH and Rage. Rage broke the EOA CF with MW and started to hit them last tick of the game, so we also broke our CF which with MW and hit them. Rage got 6-8k more acres than us but we managed to hold onto Land crown.
This is an example of taking things through force any means necessary I suppose, next age MW disbanded. After the age Kygal and a bunch of us wanted to start making our own deals separate from absalom. Proteus was quite angry is what I heard ( I never was on Absalom Council channel/leadership) and clarified that our agreement wasn't a NAP, it was a MAP , Mutual Agression Pact so we had no choice in the matter.
After that 10 of us quit HoH because we didn't want to continue with the MAP with Absalom and obviously if we did continue HoH without the MAP Absalom would have hunted us down. Takeshi , I like say Tak3**** came back to HoH and took over as Rave retired. So as you can see I don't put much weight into HoH crowns as we had 4 kingdoms blocking etc for each other which to me doesn't represent skill, it signifies bullies.
Everybody and kingdom has their own style of play and that is what makes the game interesting, so I say each to his own. I don't think there is one kingdom in this game that plays seriously that hasn't done something bad, some worse than others.
Ok, I get it. It is the figure that matters.
So if the acres for CF is at 30%, it be considered colluding too right.
.... waiting for the ASF 15 paragraph post for damage control.
ASF helping Pete getting the picture right:
JusticeLeague, the collusion and intent matters, but certainly an excessive acres deal that is not beneficial to the kingdom giving the acres is a dead giveaway of collusion.
Crazy Pete, sorry, I don't remember what you're referring to with Melee Weapons. Certainly, as you know, Proteus was very outspoken about being unhappy that Rage could not fight a kingdom that was above us on the charts that he felt Rage would handily beat. I did my best to convince him that being a jerk to our ally was not helpful but I was not very successful.
Absalom would not have hunted HOH if they wanted to leave the MAP but obviously they would have lost their automatic NAP with Rage if they left. The Absalom MAP with HOH was due to HOH helping Absalom in an alliance war when Absalom needed help. After the time of need ended, Absalom continued the arrangement out of loyalty and debt to Ravenant and HOH for that help. I think that the arrangement proved very beneficial to HOH and they were always free to leave the MAP if they chose.
The 30% deal might drive competitive players to bury the needle on their freakometer to. This is just a diplo failure, in that I've suggested before the establishment of a DMZ to purge farm out effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6SjqYSTZ4
Seriously though, a 30% major award is worth fighting for.
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Is Ravenant still around?
Well 2 straight points that come up this age.
1) Apparantly CR making GC for acre deals and feeding spartans to take down PI just before their alleged 24 hours notice is up shows how low CR has degraded
2) In order to be worth any competition to the number 1 kingdom, they making a deal with Warseekers to feed them land. Has their rooster fallen to such a level?
Lol I can only imagine CR doing such ****. ASF clearly pointed it somewhere before as to what kind of a player Zauper is who leaked the Leadership logs when he was into Emeriti leadership. Shows the whole agenda of ' If you cant compete, Internally shake them up '
CR only won the crowns when Zauper joined them and shook Emeriti so bad that it took them 3 ages to get back on track. But since then they have tried all the shady business. Double hostiling them 2 ages back at OOP. Tripple hostiling them last age and this age making such a deal with Spartans & Warseekeers.
Are you guys even worthy of playing in the top? I now feel that Spartans are atleast better than you guys. I mean Bart is dumb but he is outspoken! You(CR) guys cant win anything without stabbing in the back!
You are joking, right? Emeriti dodged Panda by noticing Pyro (that notice alone wasn't perfectly fair to begin with, let alone it was used to dodge Panda) because you were at disadvantage. Stop being such a ****ing liar. I see old habits die hard :))
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