-wSk- vs CR

[Meep]

MrCurious there are kds that don't have to make more than a blank CF. Crs was tricked and his fault. For example in Sleepy/Fratzia ages, me and Marcel never had more than blank CF. We are very good friends in RL now even if we met in Utopia and I was/am his GodFather when he got married. Same, even after Marcel quit and Hesus was leading Fratzia we never had more than a blank CF with the mention "if a crown is at stake we talk it out and war". And like them there are many other examples of CFS like that. Casino royall or w/e their name is told us they picked us over CR to wave cause we got out of eowcf earlier also, if we stayed till last hour of EOWCF they had plans to wave CR. Apparently they wanted to show their kd how wars in top are lol and chose the weaker in WPA kd so they can op.

@Meep ... I don;t know how we became liers and the bad guys but I would look into own garden first and then start to call names. Or you'll just say it's a LS change problem and confusions only?:)

I say both kds should get a rest from posting in forums all type of crap and maybe talk it out like adults do, if there is anything to talk about. I told you all I had to say and I thought you are a reasonable guy, like so many others before you, no idea why you insist on proving me wrong.

On a side note ... this kd is a mix of wsk and old sleepy players, if we go with your way of thinking I should raze in all wars that happen since I've been thru 3 if not 4 awars and players from the kds we were against are spread all over the server. Just stop trying to find excuses for what you did with the razes, there are none, you did wrong and that's it. As I told you before, just say you were wrong, be men about it.

I try to be reasonable :p

And again, I still don't blame you for much, cRs is the one saying war isn't war, and deals aren't deals, except for the deals he doesn't even have, those ones are definitely deals.

You seemed reasonable when talking to me, up to the point we started razing, where you (obviously) got mad.

I just want all of this resolved so I can go AFK til EOA and drink more beers.

[coss]

I try to be reasonable :p

And again, I still don't blame you for much, cRs is the one saying war isn't war, and deals aren't deals, except for the deals he doesn't even have, those ones are definitely deals.

You seemed reasonable when talking to me, up to the point we started razing, where you (obviously) got mad.

I just want all of this resolved so I can go AFK til EOA and drink more beers.

Calling names in forum instead of opening a real communication channel ain't gonna get you the AFK that easy.

Crs is a rather nice guy, you just got him very mad ...

[sexual harassment panda]

Oh look wsk is in a better position than if they b2b'ed even after getting razed. It's a shame that brutal misplays get rewarded by the rest of the top.

Next time I want to get out of something I should just pretend I don't understand English even though I've been playing uto for years!

[Poopsie]

You mean the system is biased. It depends on which kingdom did it? I think CR did numerous raze before they stopped( more than one wave for sure)
Did Spartan at least complete a wave before got stopped by polices?

Nah..not a complete wave. Just an appetizer grabs then stopped.

[Anri]

MrCurious there are kds that don't have to make more than a blank CF. Crs was tricked and his fault. For example in Sleepy/Fratzia ages, me and Marcel never had more than blank CF. We are very good friends in RL now even if we met in Utopia and I was/am his GodFather when he got married. Same, even after Marcel quit and Hesus was leading Fratzia we never had more than a blank CF with the mention "if a crown is at stake we talk it out and war". And like them there are many other examples of CFS like that.

I am not paying attention i just read back 3-4 pages here and have no clue what is going on but i can confirm this for Coss since when he ran Sleepy there was a bunch of ages where we had CFs done like this and Coss always held his end of the "deal" and so did we. Its a gentlemen agreement and they were rather common in the past to have between KDs. To confirm even further, agreements like this was made between enemies, it was not just between good friends.

[Anri]

Can't be too hard to for the devs to add a date to the CF page so that dealbreaks can no longer happen!

Reading some of the CF terms made up nowadays makes me think we're making legal contracts for renting/buying a house or w/e lmao.

Dont expect to much

[StratOcastle]

Hey buddy. Gurch is not playing in wsk, sorry :/

There's not enough coffee. I'm not sure if I should read this again.

[protector]

with the WW bonus they were behind in acres and honor.. so all the WW bonus gaved them free train specs... and we also had like 20-25k on each orc from the war.. sci have been removed from bonus with the new sci bonus.

I had a b2b with BB vs CR once were we came out even on acres after 1st war but farmed them the 2nd.
The questions to ask would be:
1) Can the tactical WD kingdom defend their tactical WD in a b2b?
2) If the kingdom didn't tactical WD, how would the acres shift?

[Proteus]

I had a b2b with BB vs CR once were we came out even on acres after 1st war but farmed them the 2nd.
The questions to ask would be:
1) Can the tactical WD kingdom defend their tactical WD in a b2b?
2) If the kingdom didn't tactical WD, how would the acres shift?

I like this post. This really needs to be shared with Baka for his charity crown age because he keeps on saying he "farmed everyone" though all he got to do was make a final wave with avian before the other race got home and basically ran away with it. When I surprise to B2B him he had an ally wave & meatshield to block.

Also looks like forum mobile interface changed a bit unless I'm missing something. Nice touch.

[Palem]

So what you're saying is you got outplayed both mechanically and diplomatically and somehow they didn't earn their crown?

[Proteus]

So what you're saying is you got outplayed both mechanically and diplomatically and somehow they didn't earn their crown?

Please stop talking out of the air when you don't really know what's going on. This is coming from the guy who says SWEA "outplayed" everyone when all they did was dealbreak.

No one outplays me, I'm Proteus.

You're Palem, you can't talk to anyone about outplaying as you have no basis of experience to judge others. It's like having a back-of-the-woods redneck fast food eater attempting to critique a Michelin rated restaurant.

Also I think it's rather lame for forum moderators to troll, talk ****, or make baseless statements. But historically the bar for being a moderator has been set relatively low when the biggest troll of all time who even gives Korp a run for his money (Dharan) was made a moderator and proceeded to continue trolling / trash talking. Hopefully new owners add this to list of things that need to be fixed.

Don't bother replying, won't read it as I don't respect your opinion, this is the only freebie you are getting.

[Palem]

That was some Kellyane Conway level of pivoting.

Just to be clear, that's not a compliment.

Edit:
Your lack of an answer only indicates that you got outplayed and your ego got bruised

[brandonc204]

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[Meep]

Please stop talking out of the air when you don't really know what's going on. This is coming from the guy who says SWEA "outplayed" everyone when all they did was dealbreak.

No one outplays me, I'm Proteus.

Yeah, but here's the thing.

It was mansoor, the list of deals he's broken is longer than the list of deals he's honored.

Eventually, isn't it everyone else's fault for making deals with him and getting caught off guard when he dealbreaks and not his for dealbreaking? :p

[Proteus]

That was some Kellyane Conway level of pivoting.

Just to be clear, that's not a compliment.

Edit:
Your lack of an answer only indicates that you got outplayed and your ego got bruised

You know what screw it, I'll bite while I'm waiting for my tea to brew. You are entitled to have your opinion and nothing I or anyone else say or do will ever change it.

I personally do not consider when someone withdraws from war against me that they can't win as getting outplayed. People will say in the old days there was no WW bonus and tactical wds happened more often but at the same time, 99.9% the strongest kd would get the acres and the WW, why WD when you are owning / farming someone? I never did, I got the W. In fact, I consider that I outplayed because I decided to implement a super quick get ready strat in eow cf that took them completely by surprise (they had almost nothing trained as they did not expect to be re-engaged) that they needed to beg an ally to meatshield themselves, wave us, and farm out to us just to avoid being re-engaged. I also don't consider myself outplayed when a kingdom of 25 other people decide to farm out to me and make themselves look bad just to keep me from waving their boys. And on the last part, I don't consider one-time charity crowns that required top core players (trollfags) and one of the best leaders in the game at the time (flogger) to join the kd. Anyone who is considered to be good in this game has won more than one crown.

Also no one wins 100% of the ages they compete, that's not possible. Too many random, lucky, idiosyncratic things can happen. Also my ego doesn't get bruised when I don't crown, no one really crowns majority of times they play. I would be a lot more upset at WD from war against a mediocre kd than not crowning. Personally I always played to be most dominant which doesn't always equal crowning as people farm out and shape charts. I remember an age where we beat multiple top aabs kds in war, earned #1 with a 20k+ margin over #2 just a short stretch of time to go until EOA and simians deliberately farmed out to a kd that wasn't even a contender at that point...but yes we got outplayed there because someone deliberately waved out of an existing conflict and decided to farm out. In spite of that I enjoyed that age immensely and I would have been 110x more upset had I lost to one of those aabs kds in war then charts being shape at EOA. When you lose a war 1v1, that's on you and in your control. When someone farms out to an enemy in a legit fight or shapes charts on purpose, that's out of your control. But yes, Palem according to you, I was outplayed, that's your opinion and you are more than entitled to it but I would venture to guess most people would not agree with you and your opinion counts less than those who have more experience.