It's literally the same mechanic for the top kds and non top kds. Insta-cf was designed to make sure you don't get fed on for weeks at a time. 50 hits is a fair price for a cf. Don't like that, then hit and op and fight back. You can control this and still force a cf after 75 hits to your 25 hits (and your 25 hits can essentially erase gains from the 75).
Edit: 25 hits = 50 points. This would be ops and hits now...
I agree it's the same mechanic, but the way people play is different.
Outside of the top, I don't think most KDs think 50 hits is a fair price for a CF (particularly if the KD hitting you is way out of range). Ops are currently a way for a KD in that situation to try to make the bully KD go away before 50 hits.
I think this is top KD mentality though. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are looking it as 'how many hits would the bigger KD need to make taking the ops worthwhile?'. Whereas in the rest of the server, the KD being hit is thinking 'this is really annoying we keep getting waved by KDs far bigger than us and it kills a ton of troops'. The fact that they can op in return is just a side note, and for the KDs that have a bit of an idea how to use the mechanics, a way to try to get the waves to stop.
Some anecdotal examples:
1. How many non-top KDs have you seen saying ops should move the meter?
2. http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...llies-and-scum : "only" 31 hits over 48 hours.
3. I played in an alright war KD for the last few ages, but not the kind of 'get everyone online for a wave' kind of KD. We waved KDs near out size (guessing 95%, certainly not under 90%). Often they didn't want to war, as is normal, and naturally they wanted us to stop waving immediately (even though obviously we had spent time planning, plus used stealth/mana on intel and ops etc). Usually they wouldn't get mega annoyed if we finish the first wave. That's probably about 15 attacks because the KD wasn't full and some T/Ms (and the set-up / skill level was such that most people would only be making 1 attack per unique at that point). If we continued into a 2nd wave, they would generally get very annoyed and think we were bullies (we didn't usually continue into a 2nd wave provided that they would agree a CF).
4. When my KD got waved by a much bigger KD that we obviously couldn't realistically war, people rapidly became frustrated even after 1 wave. Especially if we are being abducted which is killing elites and then starts a circle where randoms hit too. We would op back and generally get a CF fairly quickly. If we couldn't op back (or doing so would give them ops on us..!) and had to wait for 2-3 waves of hits, I think people would have been completely demotivated.
Squeaky wheel flavored oil comment here.
Most of these mechanics don't get tested till someone buries the needle. We've had silly encounters all age. Who are those Bob Ross guys anyway? - I can understand the complaints from the nth degree, it's just that meandering around mechanics at the extreme isn't where most of us play.
So BB deferred. Emeriti is probably aiming for the next rebellion. Button up renegades.
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Meh I was ready to be hardcore until week two. Then I stopped for the most part once emeriti had it sewn up.
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
love that thick mahogany back with no belly carve or anything...pure thick wood ! The thing ROCK is made of !
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"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
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