Congratulations to the age 72 winners!

[Sheister]

I never stated I cared to compete or wish to compete. I said that the greatest achievement would be a level playing field, identical set ups, identical relations, then competing for a specific goal. I'm sorry you either don't or choose not to understand what I'm trying to explain.

Edit: Same start time, same freeze time, does not constitute equal footing. If two people run a race, one is a professional athlete, one is a child, just because they start at the same time does not mean they are on equal footing.

You are whining that people can't compete on an equal footing, but they are at the start. Then they separate according to their skill.

You want the game to force mechanics so that more skilled people are held back.

Go read Harrison Bergeron

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

[Vasp]

You are whining that people can't compete on an equal footing, but they are at the start. Then they separate according to their skill.

You want the game to force mechanics so that more skilled people are held back.

Go read Harrison Bergeron

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

Maybe we should have 2 land crown rankings; one where jefft can give the crown to his selected winner/friend, and then a real ranking in which the kingdom with the most land at the end of the age wins.

So BB wins the first crown and Spartans wins the second.

This seems fair. Everyone happy.

[Korp]

You are whining that people can't compete on an equal footing, but they are at the start. Then they separate according to their skill.

You want the game to force mechanics so that more skilled people are held back.

Go read Harrison Bergeron

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

If they are different skills they arent really on equal footing are they? .. Its absurd to believe just cause everyone starts at 400 acres they are all on equal footing.

[Sheister]

If they are different skills they arent really on equal footing are they? .. Its absurd to believe just cause everyone starts at 400 acres they are all on equal footing.

No, in a competition all start at the same point and are separated by skill. Stop falling prey to the same mistakes of that other guy.... whatever his nick is.

Would you agree that in a race against Bolt, everyone starts at the starting line? Or should everyone else start 50 meters ahead of him in a 100 meter race? Or should Mr. Bolt have to run the race carrying a 100lb weight?

[Korp]

No, in a competition all start at the same point and are separated by skill. Stop falling prey to the same mistakes of that other guy.... whatever his nick is.

Would you agree that in a race against Bolt, everyone starts at the starting line? Or should everyone else start 50 meters ahead of him in a 100 meter race? Or should Mr. Bolt have to run the race carrying a 100lb weight?

But if everyone starting at equal footing at the start of the race everyone would be equally fast. But thats not the cae, Bolt is the fastest. Is that then really equally footing? That everyone starts at equall footing would imply that everyone has the same chance and possibility to perform well which isnt the case.

[protector]

Bolt is the fastest

He holds the record still, but he is no longer the fastest. Every age is a new start; Bolt's prime is a few ages ago. His previous successes are meaningless once everyone resets.

[stealth4785]

But if everyone starting at equal footing at the start of the race everyone would be equally fast. But thats not the cae, Bolt is the fastest. Is that then really equally footing? That everyone starts at equall footing would imply that everyone has the same chance and possibility to perform well which isnt the case.

His analogy doesn't make sense, Korp, but I believe you are understanding what I'm trying to convey.

Sheister, let's look at it like a math equation. I want to figure out which kingdom has the most talented, skilled players, X. In order to solve for X, we need to isolate and exclude every other variable we can, race and personalities, the number of provinces, start time, etc.

[Sheister]

Sheister, let's look at it like a math equation. I want to figure out which kingdom has the most talented, skilled players, X. In order to solve for X, we need to isolate and exclude every other variable we can, race and personalities, the number of provinces, start time, etc.

Once again. They are all equal at t=0. Then everyone starts competeing and every age, the same kingdoms end up on top. It is not a question of who has the most talented, skilled players.

You propose gimping the most talented and skilled players so that your nublet war KD's can war on "equal footing" which as you can see from Korp's posts, is ambiguous at best. He is interpreting it that everyone has to be equal skill whereas you are positing a fantasy world where everyone is constantly at exactly the same point at any given time "t" throughout the age and we can rack up war after war always starting with the same resources etc.

The game is not about individual engagements. The game is about managing resources over the entire arc of time from t=0 until t=ending tick. Your desire to have constant resets so that your nubness can meet a given kingdom at a specific equivalent set of resources ignores the desires of kingdoms to pursue different strategies by race sleectiong, personality selection, acre distribution, etc etc.

In short, you don't want to play utopia. You want to play some other game.

Go play that.

[Panthira]

Once again. They are all equal at t=0. Then everyone starts competeing and every age, the same kingdoms end up on top. It is not a question of who has the most talented, skilled players.

You propose gimping the most talented and skilled players so that your nublet war KD's can war on "equal footing" which as you can see from Korp's posts, is ambiguous at best. He is interpreting it that everyone has to be equal skill whereas you are positing a fantasy world where everyone is constantly at exactly the same point at any given time "t" throughout the age and we can rack up war after war always starting with the same resources etc.

The game is not about individual engagements. The game is about managing resources over the entire arc of time from t=0 until t=ending tick. Your desire to have constant resets so that your nubness can meet a given kingdom at a specific equivalent set of resources ignores the desires of kingdoms to pursue different strategies by race sleectiong, personality selection, acre distribution, etc etc.

In short, you don't want to play utopia. You want to play some other game.

Go play that.

I somewhat disagree. There are relationships already established in the game, and reputations, and unfortunately that can give T=(0+x).

[stealth4785]

Once again. They are all equal at t=0. Then everyone starts competeing and every age, the same kingdoms end up on top. It is not a question of who has the most talented, skilled players.

You propose gimping the most talented and skilled players so that your nublet war KD's can war on "equal footing" which as you can see from Korp's posts, is ambiguous at best. He is interpreting it that everyone has to be equal skill whereas you are positing a fantasy world where everyone is constantly at exactly the same point at any given time "t" throughout the age and we can rack up war after war always starting with the same resources etc.

The game is not about individual engagements. The game is about managing resources over the entire arc of time from t=0 until t=ending tick. Your desire to have constant resets so that your nubness can meet a given kingdom at a specific equivalent set of resources ignores the desires of kingdoms to pursue different strategies by race sleectiong, personality selection, acre distribution, etc etc.

In short, you don't want to play utopia. You want to play some other game.

Go play that.

Once again. My suggestion wasn't gimping or handicapping any player. In fact, I think it actually highlights the skill of the player, not detract from it. Its simply expanding what you determined as equal footing. If equal footing is four hundred acres and starting resources, then I'm just expanding on that by including composition and race/personality combos. The logistics would be a nightmare, but with three days freeze and some number crunching, but it could be done.

Your argument appears to be that selecting race and personality combination and composition are somehow a talent or a skill and I think that is where we disagree. Given a role, there is always a superior choice in race and personality. I'm just giving all those skilled and talented player the same superior choice in order to see whose the most talented. That would be a true competition.

[stealth4785]

You are whining that people can't compete on an equal footing, but they are at the start. Then they separate according to their skill.

You want the game to force mechanics so that more skilled people are held back.

Go read Harrison Bergeron

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

I want to know which kingdom is the most talented. In order to do such, I need to eliminate as many variables as possible.

Same kingdom size, same race and personality combinations, same stipulations regarding ceasefires and diplomacy. Pick your goal, whether it be #1 in land, #1 warring, or just a good old fashioned one versus one war, that's how you determine which kingdom is the most talented. At this point its all about strategy, the strength of the individuals and the strength of the kingdom.