Page 3 of 16 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 232

Thread: Pop sci for gnomes

  1. #31
    I like to post Catwalk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Århus, Denmark
    Posts
    3,806
    Alright, I'm going to bite. If you just put Minimal research up, your investment will be returned to you in a very short period of time and will lead to both stronger net economy, military, thieves and wizards. Feel free to try prove that statement wrong.
    For Master of Magic fans:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan Collins, CEO of OMAC
    You should ask as many people as you can to criticise what you plan on doing.

  2. #32
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    Everything you said is correct. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about evaluating effects of one’s actions in terms of the affects on the province. My province is 1154acres lets see how 5,000 books would affect my net worth.
    (5,000books)[(100*.0092gc)] -----> (5,000books)[(.92)] = +4,600gc to net worth. 5,000books = +2% to max population. My max population is around 40,800. (40,000)(.02) = 800 more people. ~80%-90% of those people will go into my military. 60% of the 80%-90% will go into elite units. The other 20%-30% will going into thieves and wizards. 60% of 800 is 480 new elite units. (480elite units)(5.25gc) = +2,520gc to net worth. Now add the other 20%-30% of thieves and wizards would come out to around another +1,700gc to net worth. Add them together that comes out to 4,220gc to net worth. Now add 4,600gc to 4,220gc = 8,820gc to net worth. Now that doesn’t seem too bad however what happens when I’m double the size I’m now? Instead of adding only +8,820gc it will be more like +17,640gc. And what happens when I get to 4k+ acres that 2% to population will add around 35,280gc to my net worth. All that from just one science. So when I get to 4kacres and above my military will be much strong then the provinces my size yet I will be hundred of thousands of net worth less than them.
    It comes down to the style of play one likes. I like to make my military super strong while keeping my networth very low.
    Last edited by vines; 30-08-2008 at 22:24.

  3. #33
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    28
    Vines: Science adds a miniscule amount of nw to your province and in almost every case it is worth getting more science. The real question with how much sci a prov should have depends on what level they can maintain throughout the age. Gnomes should be able to steal enough gold OOW to maintain accelerated (or even intensive) levels for most of the age without the use of banks.

    A gnome without pop, crime, or tools sci is going to get eaten alive by a decent player. My prov is at 175nw/a but has 12 mod tpa, 75 mod opa, while leaving 40 dpa at home (in fortified).

  4. #34
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    That is not true. I don't have science there is no gnome my size that can match me when I'm in my war stance. I'm thinking about making my 9MODtpa. pretty good numbers. I would like to see how we would fair against one another.

  5. #35
    Whoo! Woo! 100
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by vines View Post
    Everything you said is correct. It is not about being right or wrong. It is about evaluating effects of one’s actions in terms of the affects on the province. My province is 1154acres lets see how 5,000 books would affect my net worth.
    (5,000books)[(100*.0092gc)] -----> (5,000books)[(.92)] = +4,600gc to net worth. 5,000books = +2% to max population. My max population is around 40,800. (40,000)(.02) = 800 more people. ~80%-90% of those people will go into my military. 60% of the 80%-90% will go into elite units. The other 20%-30% will going into thieves and wizards. 60% of 800 is 480 new elite units. (480elite units)(5.25gc) = +2,520gc to net worth. Now add the other 20%-30% of thieves and wizards would come out to around another +1,700gc to net worth. Add them together that comes out to 4,220gc to net worth. Now add 4,600gc to 4,220gc = 8,820gc to net worth. Now that doesn’t seem too bad however what happens when I’m double the size I’m now? Instead of adding only +8,820gc it will be more like +20,000gc. And what happens when I get to 4k+ acres that 2% to population will add around 40,000gc to my net worth. All that from just one science. So when I get to 4kacres and above my military will be much strong then the provinces my size yet I will be hundred of thousands of net worth less than them.
    It comes down to the style of play one likes. I like to make my military super strong while keeping my networth very low.
    WRONG yet again! Each book is worth 1/92gc, not .92gc. 1/92 = .01gc.

  6. #36
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    Dude *looks at the ground and shakes his*
    100 is the same 1. And 1/92 just means .92.
    I'll break it down.
    A hundredth in decimal form looks like this .01. A hundredth in fraction form looks like this 1/100. So if the science formula is this 1/92gc. In decimal form 1/92gc looks like this
    .0092.
    However we do not even need a formula. The one in the fraction “1/92gc” represents one book. So for every book you learn 92% of that book is related into net worth. 92% of 1 is .92. So for every book one learns .92gc will be added to one’s net worth. Now all one has to do to figure out how much net worth his or her science will add is: .92 * the number of books he or she has.
    FYI: .01gc would make the amount of net gained from science even more.
    P.s. I edited the post Mike Tyson quoted because I found a mistake. lol
    Last edited by vines; 30-08-2008 at 20:09.

  7. #37
    Veteran Someone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    661
    vines, your logic is screwed. 1/92=~0.01.
    NW for one book is 1*1/92=1*0.01=0.01.

    In your splendid example up there, you got to the conclusion that 5k books=4,6k NW. This is completely rubbish. 5000*1/92=5000*0.01=50.
    So at 4k acres, according to your fabulous example, that is a whopping 200 nw. NOOO! Im dying out of fatness!

  8. #38
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone View Post
    vines, your logic is screwed. 1/92=~0.01.
    NW for one book is 1*1/92=1*0.01=0.01.

    In your splendid example up there, you got to the conclusion that 5k books=4,6k NW. This is completely rubbish. 5000*1/92=5000*0.01=50.
    So at 4k acres, according to your fabulous example, that is a whopping 200 nw. NOOO! Im dying out of fatness!
    I never did 5000*1/92. If you wanted to do that you would have to put it in this form 1/5000*1/92. By the way 1*1/92 = .92.
    And this 1*1/92=1*.01=.01 is a bunch of bulls**t you made up.
    I'm going to say this one more time. The one in "1/92gc" represents one book. So for every book you learn 92% of that book is related into net worth. 92% of 1 is .92. So for every book one learns .92gc will be added to one’s net worth. Now all one has to do to figure out how much net worth his or her science will add is: .92 * the number of books he or she has.
    Either you are bullsh**ing me or you really don't understand.

  9. #39
    Veteran Someone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    661
    vines, can you do me a favour? Open up the calculator, or if you cannot find this bull****-program that i just imagine exists, use http://www.google.com.
    Found it? Great! Now please enter 1/92 (for google, just copy/paste if you cannot find the buttons). Can you tell me the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by vines
    never did 5000*1/92
    No you didnt, thats wherein the fault lies.

  10. #40
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    28
    Vines if you can't do elementary math then don't post in the forums, you'll just confuse people who are here to actually learn.

    Saying that 1/92 = 0.92 shows that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Rather than continuing to defend your erroneous position why don't you listen to the advice of others who clearly know better?

  11. #41
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    All the savvy players know and just tip there hats. Oh if you don't believe me take a hard copy to your math teacher and ask them if what I'm saying is on the level.
    Last edited by vines; 30-08-2008 at 21:26.

  12. #42
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    41
    Quote Originally Posted by vines View Post
    100 is the same 1. And 1/92 just means .92...

    P.s. I edited the post Mike Tyson quoted because I found a mistake. lol
    Keep looking; you made a few more.

  13. #43
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,377
    No that's not a mistake. Go ask a math teach and you have to put it into context. Just take the first big ol' post I made and ask your math teacher if it is correct.

  14. #44
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    41
    My math teacher says it's wrong. Do you believe us now?

  15. #45
    Veteran Someone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    661
    The problem, vines, is that you have COMPLETELY misunderstood the value of sci. If you had been making any research of yourself, you would have discovered that it is very far from 0.92, 0.092 or whatever you want it to be.
    And as long as you dont get how much one book is worth, it doesnt matter what kind of maths you use.

    btw, you still didnt tell me what the answer to 1/92 is in a calculator? Or is all calculators a part of a conspiracy?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •