Fratzia vs ED

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Originally Posted by Palem

You all need to calm down a little.

I hope none of you are experiencing any RL stress because someone somewhere did something you didn't agree with.

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Im not involved in all drama and still feel so stressed! Cant imagine how is Feel Part and rest people in ED. Its why im help them to get rid from all stress in forum.

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Originally Posted by ciupi

again i say: BY UR LOGIC, if we would have broken the NOTICE deal and waved u (cause notice isn't anywhere in the rules!) you would have come here and CRY just like u do now!

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Are you really that stupid that you're trying to compare a KD agreement to not attack each other (and enforced by ingame mechanics that allow you to CF other KDs) with the fact that you think you should be allowed to attack someone in war with another KD just because you told them that you'd be ending your CF?

You made a deal with ED to not attack each other and to give 48 hours notice before dropping the CF, you had no other agreement so why you think you should be entitled to anything more is pretty unbelievable but to then try and make out that ED are actually cheating in someway is asinine at best.

If you make trash CF agreements then it's your problem not anyone elses.

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Originally Posted by Elit

silverfox, ED made very risk move 3 times in raw. Its worked first 2 but not last one. Your play is not moral so you cant expect all kds to act moral to you too.
How i told you, next time run proper if you feel like run and there wont be any risk for your kd.

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Google translate still hasn't updated with an option for Elitish, so I don't really know what the hell half of that means.

Just wonder are Fratzia offered CF to ED and Are ED asked for any kinds CF or hits continue?
You can keep share arguments in forum but its wont back any. My suggestion to ED is to go work some kind CF or Fratzia can keep hit you all war.

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Originally Posted by Elit

There is not perfect Solution when its hapend.

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But there is a perfect solution, rape hard PewPew and keep raping them until they're nothing but a speck of dust. Disregard any conflicts(real or otherwise) they enter into, eventually they'll either disband or be so small they can't possibly be a threat or influence anything. Mission Accomplished.

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Originally Posted by Runefire

I don't see the difference between 24 hours and 1 hour, as long as it is before end of the deal, it is legitimate. I see this as a risk you take for making a notice deal.

If you think they will run, offer a new deal and don't train up. Or train and do something else. Or leave it open and see if you can jump them another time, or risk them doing the same to you.

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The difference is -75% gains.

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Originally Posted by Runefire

So what? That is the risk you pay for making a notice deal. If you make a deal and notice, you should expect people will do all they can to make an outcome that works best for them. That is the game. If you want to farm kingdoms on your schedule, don't make deals.

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Yes and getting hit into war is the risk you pay when you try to run, if you don't want to risk it then do some diplomacy and fork out a few acres in exchange for an extended CF, thats how things used to work and I'm pretty sure most kingdoms not holding a grudge would settle for that.

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Are you really that stupid that you're trying to compare a KD agreement to not attack each other (and enforced by ingame mechanics that allow you to CF other KDs) with the fact that you think you should be allowed to attack someone in war with another KD just because you told them that you'd be ending your CF?

You made a deal with ED to not attack each other and to give 48 hours notice before dropping the CF, you had no other agreement so why you think you should be entitled to anything more is pretty unbelievable but to then try and make out that ED are actually cheating in someway is asinine at best.

If you make trash CF agreements then it's your problem not anyone elses.



Google translate still hasn't updated with an option for Elitish, so I don't really know what the hell half of that means.

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I really don't see how u fail to see who is the stupid one here. We are not the ones that made a messy CF agreement here. We made an agreement and we were ready to deliver when notice was served, ED instead did only wrong moves and saw they can't do anything else then farmout so they decided they can run and get away...AGAIN! Oh no u don't! To summ it up : Fratzia didn't break any rules and doesn't care about ED's opinion just because they try to ****play and play victims! As others have said: if u want to run and avoid diplo, do it properly and accept the consequences and stop crying!

P.S, If i were u i would be happy we stopped the hits after 2 waves and we just took 18k acres...less then half we would have taken from you if it was going for diplo/war.
that being said, i go out and enjoy some fun time with some friends while u can cry more here

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Originally Posted by ciupi

As others have said: if u want to run and avoid diplo, do it properly and accept the consequences and stop crying!

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Just want to point out that the people that are saying this **** play every chance they get, cry, and don't like consequences. It's a false face; justifying **** play with **** play and complaining about **** play while **** playing.

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Originally Posted by ciupi

I really don't see how u fail to see who is the stupid one here.

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"When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for others...

It's the same when your are stupid." - Anon

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

Just want to point out that the people that are saying this **** play every chance they get, cry, and don't like consequences. It's a false face; justifying **** play with **** play and complaining about **** play while **** playing.

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i agree we played ****play with ****play, but sorry i couldn't bring them flowers for what they did in this case ;)

It's the current web of utopia. No one can be a 'better person'

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Originally Posted by silverfox

No, you're logic is utterly retarded because you seem to believe just because AMA did something then every other KD should also be bound by that rule.

ED noticed you as they were allowed to under the agreement you had, there's not agreement that ED can't notice you if you just got out of war or lost land to a final wave, you just like to tag that on there and call it immoral because it makes you look better while the reality is it's irrelevant what position AMA were in, why do you think you're the person who writes the moral code for utopia?

It was your choice to not run from ED, no-one forced you to sit there, no-one forced you to not re-engage PewPew, so stop trying to make your own choices a factor that anyone else should care about. ED were in no obligation to give you a 2nd war, you just make up all these stupid as **** conditions that KDs should be bound to about how you should be allowed your 2nd wars vs. people, no-one cheated you outside of your own delusions of grandeur that make you think anyone owes you something.

You're just an idiot who likes to make up reasons why you deserve to get an advantage for your own KD, if you're stupid enough to notice a KD without an agreement to war once it expires and without knowing if that KD has any outs then you deserve to **** yourself over by training and not having a target. Serving notice doesn't mean you get a war, it means you're telling a KD that you're going to break your CF which logically means you normally intend to wave them, the KD being served isn't under any obligation to sit there and not war anyone else.

You keep crying that ED and PewPew were in "fake wars", yet neither KD has been punished for either of the wars. Both KDs knowing that the other one can't damage a certain portion of their KD doesn't mean a war is fake, how many other caveats are you willing to make up as you go along to decide when a war is fake or not? If a KD enters war knowing their bank can't be touched then is it a fake war, because they're getting war protection with no down sides? All 3 of EDs last wars have been real, I come back from the USA and I'm under 400 acres and almost dead, just because EDs banks gained protection doesn't make it a ****ing fake war you tool.

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Sums it up rather lovely. It's quite clear to everyone who has atleast 2 working brain cells, or more, that Elit, AMA, and Fratzia are simply a bunch of self-righteous as*holes who are making up rules as they go, with the addition of ruining the game in the progress.

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Originally Posted by ciupi

I really don't see how u fail to see who is the stupid one here. We are not the ones that made a messy CF agreement here. We made an agreement and we were ready to deliver when notice was served, ED instead did only wrong moves and saw they can't do anything else then farmout so they decided they can run and get away...AGAIN! Oh no u don't! To summ it up : Fratzia didn't break any rules and doesn't care about ED's opinion just because they try to ****play and play victims! As others have said: if u want to run and avoid diplo, do it properly and accept the consequences and stop crying!

P.S, If i were u i would be happy we stopped the hits after 2 waves and we just took 18k acres...less then half we would have taken from you if it was going for diplo/war.
that being said, i go out and enjoy some fun time with some friends while u can cry more here

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You had an agreement with ED that you would be CFed and if either side wanted to break it then they needed to give 48 hours notice, that is all you had. You didn't have an agreement to war, you didn't have an agreement that after notice expired then the serving KD would get to wave regardless of the others position.

I have no issue with knowing who the idiot is, it's quite clearly you because you've some how managed to extrapolate the concept that "CF ends in 48 hours" into "CF ends in 48 hours and we'll wave you regardless of what your KD is doing". ED doesn't owe you anything other than respecting the CF for the duration which was agreed and having gave you 48 hours notice if we wanted to cancel it.

Did Fratzia break any rules? No, because the devs are never going to stop people from hitting OOW. However ED hasn't broken any rules either, you're now in the realm of opinion over what is and isn't acceptable in the eyes of the community, almost every player will agree that OOW hits into a real war isn't acceptable while very few will agree that just because you've noticed someone then they have to sit there and wait for you to wave them.

What you're basically saying is that next time you (or any other KD) is in a war then ED can just sit and wave you, or hey maybe when you go to war then people can just notice you and once it expires then they can just start hitting into your war because otherwise it's not fair on them if they can't wave you once the notice is up.

You can always spot a dip**** when you need to post moronic crap about your real life, I'm glad you have friends and need to inform people on the internet about them, would you like a gold star sticker to go with that? Maybe you can get a girlfriend and keep us up to date about how that's going too?

silverfox sounds like the most sane person in here.

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Originally Posted by munk

silverfox sounds like the most sane person in here.

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Munk is drunk!

silverfox, there is no need from all this long explains. Wont change any atm. There is noting illegal if you run from notice, but you need to make it smart. Basically you made Fratzia train/rebuild and run in war 1h before notice expire. Its really risk and stupid. Train time is 14h in fort stance with IA. Run in war 15h before notice expire is when You can safe run and being 100% sure there is no chance Fratzia to go mad and hit you oow, because they have good option left: drop all solds and keep pump. How you run its clear troll Fratzia.
You **** play them, they did same to you. End story.

Did any1 in Fratzia pay Elit to advocate for them? ;)

I just realized that if Pewpew hadn't gone to war with Strippers last age and let us war them we wouldn't be having such forum threads now. Palem's fault. Boosting forum activity conspiracy!