FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

its a good way of trolling to say timings doesnt make difference but changing the timeline to make it look worse for fs.. we didnt demand anything from them on the beginning, and '750 honor' was the result of the conflict, not the reason..

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I'm sorry. I said I might be wrong with assessing the conflicts. All I have to go on is posts in this forum, not trying to distort anything. Said you were free to correct me. However, I don't think I understand your correction - my quote doesn't say you demanded anything from them from start. It says just what you says, that the demand for 750 honor/day of conflict came well into the conflict. Otherwise such a deal would make no sense; 750 honor/day for 0 days... It also says I'm fine with FS conduct last age. I get why ED wants revenge, but I don't think FS did anything 'wrong'. You played it hardball ofc, but in a war/conflict game thats rather ok. Just as seeking revenge is ok. In my opinion.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

They might have discussed it, but they never offered anything, and initially they completelly refused any form of compensation, mostly i guess cause they didnt think we would follow up with our threats.

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The issue here is your side is claiming you offered us CF for a wave. We have NOT claimed we offered a wave for CF. As with everything else in this conflict, we are sticking to the truth while you are not. You base a large chunk of your argument on that your side has been more resonable in various offers then our side. Last age, you made us one offer only, after about a week of bullying you came up with the 750 hp / day spent. Thats 9 days into conflict, 7 days after we decided to walk away, adding up to 6.75k honor. Thats the only offer you made. This age, with the roles reveresed in terms of power, we have offered an extension with the condition we get button, we offered 4k honor + science wave (which is much less then you settled for last age, both in raw number and %) and we have also hinted several times, both on forums and to ahlene that as time went by, the CF would come at a cheaper cost. Ie multiple offers at different stages of hostile, compared to your single and extremely unreasonable offer last age.
Yet, you sit there and say that our side sabotages the dip? Its pretty hard to understand.

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Originally Posted by Parth

(which is much less then you settled for last age, both in raw number and %)

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can you give me a single example of your 'offers' from last age, which is not a blank cf?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

can you give me a single example of your 'offers' from last age, which is not a blank cf?

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Don't think he said he made any offers. He says you made (only) one - 750 honor/day last age. While he did multiple offers as the aggressor this age. Out of curiosity, what deals did FS offer ED in this current conflict? Any counter deals?

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[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 19 acres of land have disappeared from our control!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 14 acres of land have disappeared from our control!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 7 acres of land have disappeared from our control!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 We have found thieves from Yawn (8:2) causing trouble within our lands!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 We have found thieves causing trouble within our lands. Unfortunately, we know not where they came from.
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 We have found thieves from Back from the Dead yet Again (8:2) causing trouble within our lands!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 We have found thieves from Back from the Dead yet Again (8:2) causing trouble within our lands!
[23:39] <> Jan3YR8 We have found thieves causing trouble within our lands. Unfortunately, we know not where they came from.
[23:40] <silverfox> FS really are ****ing morons
[23:41] <silverfox> I mean the double hostile is blatent
[23:41] <silverfox> But to be doing ops from multiple provs
[23:42] <silverfox> What now, oh Pyro aren't hostile with ED anymore because they've decided to walk away so now it's FS turn and ITS STILL 1v1 CAUSE PYRO ARENT DOING OPS/HOTS ATM

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Birthdayboy fox have gotten himself banned, so Imma post as his proxy. The question I believe is directed towards pyro: Are you still hostile with us or did that end?

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

can you give me a single example of your 'offers' from last age, which is not a blank cf?

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Like tadpole pointed out - I even had caps on "NOT" to make it easier.

The most recent offer from ED? EOACF. No hits asked.

Was that an unreasonable offer?

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Originally Posted by Zauper

You can be at fault because it seems like the reason you're getting support is because of a story you're telling folks about last age wherein you offered a CF for a wave, and ED said no. That discussion, as far as I can verify, never happened. That means you've lied to your allies to get them to support you.

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Actually that story started as "they could have gotten out of it by offering a free wave" and nothing else. Yet obviously no real diplo ever happened. Giving blame for failed diplo to only one side seems like a silly thing to do and insisting on "where's the logs" all the time doesn't change simple fact leaders from both sides couldn't get over their respective egos to settle things diplomatically. Which is completely fine really, it's why some of us play text-based war games.

We will never know if offering a free wave would have settled a conflict in the last age or not because it was not possible for involved persons to even reach that state of negotiations. Now what?

Can we get back to interesting question of how server should deal with a one-sided hostile with diplomatic breakdown now?

Blabla und bla bla means bla bla get a life bla bla why bother bla bla

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Originally Posted by TommyB

Actually that story started as "they could have gotten out of it by offering a free wave" and nothing else.

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The story that flogger has given me (and thus presumably what has been communicated to allies) is that they offered free wave for CF.

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Yet obviously no real diplo ever happened. Giving blame for failed diplo to only one side seems like a silly thing to do and insisting on "where's the logs" all the time doesn't change simple fact leaders from both sides couldn't get over their respective egos to settle things diplomatically. Which is completely fine really, it's why some of us play text-based war games.

We will never know if offering a free wave would have settled a conflict in the last age or not because it was not possible for involved persons to even reach that state of negotiations. Now what?

Can we get back to interesting question of how server should deal with a one-sided hostile with diplomatic breakdown now?

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Right, and this is the problem. Last age, it was acceptable for FS to pummel ED for weeks because they couldn't find an alternative, and yet this age it's not ok for ED to do the same (even when ED is offering FS an EOACF with no extra hits...) If there is a standard, it should have been applied last age.

Parth blabla cita blabla unknowdoodfromed blabla zapper (time to find a life) bla blaFrancis (on the beach with fiancé ) bla tadpole ( get a life blabla) unknown sources bla bla me
Myself bla bla
How old are u peeps? Seriously bla bla

rofl

U all are pavos. It's Spanish with means turkey on English language. Gluckgluckgluckgetafrigginglifegluckgluck

Why only non-FS players need to get a life though Jon? :( Such unfair! Curiously, I just got a life. New job and looking for new apartment and stuff, so I'm happy where I'm at Jon. Makes you happy?!

Yes, everyone - get a life. Except the dude whose mission it is to simply write ad hominen attacks!

Oh and the rich jew who balls out with his new fiance, get a life especially.