lol looks like vines has a fanboy. Or likely just a multi forum account.
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lol looks like vines has a fanboy. Or likely just a multi forum account.
Vines might actually have something to show if he ever realized that GN have thief bonus and dwarf has thief penalty.
By not realizing that Vines already prove how vines he is I guess.
Maybe he is waiting till hostile so he can NS??
If he is rogue mabye even properganda??
I see it he will lose unless it gets to hostile. Until then it is all loaded in DHarens favour.
NS in unfriendly (doubt they will ever get to hostile) is pretty weakQuote:
Originally Posted by otokonoko
and 1v1 NS wont do much either...
also, RTFG
i SERIOUSLY doubt they will get to warQuote:
Originally Posted by guide
and vines is gnome/art... so he cant even get prop...
This is not a t/m contest. This is a contest to see if gnome has what it takes to go toe to toe with a dwarf. So far I have been able to attack him with full army and he was unable to attack me when my army was out.
And the thing is I think someone else is helping him because I have 2raw tpa with 25%or more crime science. And yet he can do an op on me such a roit, please. What he is doing is failing one or two then he has a friend or kingmate do the real op.
Which is total bs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
he has hit you... so, im not sure where this "cant break me with army out" is coming from
2raw tpa + 25% sci + gnome bonus... thats not much at all... ive seen elves with better numbers than that... playing as an attacker
and riot is easy to get through anyway
Now vines is exploring, obviously he wants to try to get back to a size where can attempt to pump up to a point where he can try to hit me and not get retaled. Then he sends me a message telling me to stop exploring (I diced 30 acres). Haha like I will just let him explore past me after I knocked him below 1k acres....
I just explored a few acres not the 100 or so that you did but you lost it all because you did attacks and have weak def at home. Ummm get your facts stright buddy I'm not exploring past and I don't need to. Exploring just a few acres helps with changing my build around that's it.
You are the that is trying to out grow me. The only reason I can say is so you don't have to fight me. Stop growing and lets finish this.
You are so funny, trying to act all badass here, but ingame just turtling and hiding. I know you have intel, you know my army is out, because I retaliated a hit on me, yet you still lack the courage to attack.
And the guy that just hit me got the same you did, **** gains and big fat retal. I am outgrowing you without even trying to.
Look, I tried of this. You stop fighting. Now if I would have stop fighting I would have been the loser, no ands if or buts about it and I would have accepted it as a lost. But I didn't back down. I kept fighting. You backed down because it was clear my province was and is the stronger attacker. Would you have backed down if you're province could smash my province? No you would keep attack and talking your mess but your dwarf province is a weaker attacker than my province, and it a toe to toe your province would lose.
Here is our provinces side by side.
The Province of RunAwayAgainVines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #20
Utopian Date: March 21st, YR7
RL Date: May 28th, 2009 (20:00 GMT)
Origin: Unformatted (1st hand)
Ruler Name: Noble Lady DHaran the Warrior
Personality & Race: The Warrior, Dwarf
Land: 1,265 Acres
Money: 2,939gc (19,586gc daily income)
Food: 155,064 bushels
Runes: 30,934 runes
Population: 26,862 citizens (21.23 per Acre)
Peasants: 8,534 (98% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 3,565gc
Military Eff. with Stance: 149.88% off. / 112.43% def.
Soldiers: 153 (68.2% estimated draft rate)
Warriors: 0
Axemen: 8,805 (49,499 defense)
Berserkers: 9,370 (98,309 offense / 42,140 defense)
War-Horses: 0
Prisoners: 0
Total Modified Offense: 98,538 (77.90 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 98,538 (77.90 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 91,811 (72.58 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 49,671 (39.27 per Acre)
HINT: To include thieves/mages estimation in report,
copy target's kingdom page before copying the CB.
Buildings Report of RunAwayAgainVines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #20
Ruler Name: Noble Lady DHaran
Personality: The Warrior
Building Efficiency: 95.5%
Kingdom Stance: Normal
1. Farms: 44 (4.4%)
2. Banks: 185 (13.2%)
3. Training Grounds: 194 (18.9%)
4. Guard Stations: 168 (10.3%)
5. Hospitals: 157 (10.1%)
6. Guilds: 154 (10.6%)
7. Towers: 49 (6.3%)
Total Land: 951 Acres (100% built)
** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. Produce 3,677 bushels (4,596 with FL)
2. 4,417gc, +18.7% income
3. +23.26% offense bonus
4. -27.78% losses when attacked
5. 26.33% cure plague, -39.49% military losses
6. Training about 2.94 wizards per hour
7. Produce 702 runes per hour
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The Province of Dirt Patch (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #20
Utopian Date: March 21st, YR7 (15% in the day)
RL Date: May 28th, 2009 (20:39 GMT)
Ruler Name: Lord Dirtbag the Craftsman
Personality & Race: The Artisan, Gnome
Land: 1,072 Acres
Money: 130,867gc (26,434gc daily income)
Food: 286,526 bushels
Runes: 43,815 runes
Population: 38,056 citizens (35.50 per Acre)
Peasants: 11,518 (109% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 925gc (0% tax rate)
ME+Stance (no spells): 155.55% off. / 135.63% def.
Soldiers: 1 (66.4% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 0
Pikemen: 596 (4,042 defense)
Golems: 22,925 (178,294 offense / 124,373 defense)
War-Horses: 0
Prisoners: 0
Total Modified Offense: 178,296 (166.32 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 178,296 (166.32 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 132,321 (123.43 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 4,043 (3.77 per Acre)
Thieves: 1,741 (1.62 per Acre / 70% Stealth)
Wizards: 1,275 (1.19 per Acre / 64% Mana)
Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 4,449 (4.15 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 1,780 (1.66 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 667 (0.62 per Acre)
** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 190,261gc (177.48 per Acre)
Golems: 103,162gc (54%) - [4.5gc]
Land (90% built): 54,672gc (29%) - [15+40gc]
Peasants: 11,518gc (6%) - [1gc]
Thieves: 6,964gc (4%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 5,732gc (3%) - [1/92gc]
Wizards: 5,100gc (3%) - [4gc]
Pikemen: 2,980gc (2%) - [5gc]
Money: 131gc (0%) - [1/1000gc]
Soldiers: 2gc (0%) - [1.5gc]
Buildings: 1,025gc to build, 618gc to raze
Away bonus: 57,590gc (12h) / 172,770gc (20h)
Buildings Report of Dirt Patch (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #20
Ruler Name: Lord Dirtbag
Personality: The Artisan
Race: Gnome
Building Efficiency: 109.4%
Kingdom Stance: Normal
1. Homes: 380 (35.4%)
2. Farms: 153 (14.3%)
3. Training Grounds: 206 (19.2%) + 3 in progress (+0.3%)
4. Forts: 211 (19.7%)
5. Guilds: 67 (6.3%) + 9 in progress (+0.8%)
6. Towers: 40 (3.7%) + 3 in progress (+0.3%)
Total Land: 1,072 Acres (98.6% built)
In Progress: 15 Acres (1.4%)
** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +5,463 maximum population, +100% birth rate
2. Produce 18,307 bushels (22,884 with FL)
3. +25.47% offense bonus
4. +25.94% defense bonus
5. Training about 1.83 wizards per hour
6. Produce 821 runes per hour
** Effects Summary (Including Future Buildings) **
3. +25.76% offense bonus
5. Training about 2.08 wizards per hour
6. Produce 882 runes per hour
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He province net were is around 200knet wheres my province is around 190knet. He has more land yet my military is stronger. He has more land and he is using banks and yet my econ is much strong, at most he is making 1k a day and I am making +10k a day. And my province's BE is better than his province's BE and he's running a dwarf province.
My gnome province out does his dwarf province in every area. And I'm sure if one compears the two one will agree.
Except my dear that you are losing on the war acre count, which is the only thing that counts, as in all wars. Its not about who stops attacking. Its about who has more land gains from the war. Im a total newbie at Utopia and at least I know that.
Therefore, prove your mettle vines! Hit him! Gain more than that measely 61 acres! Why don't you? There's no point being 'able' to break him with his army at home when you DON'T actually go and break him with his army at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Just to recap:
vines has 61+44 acres from the war so far
Dharan has gained 121+90 acres from the war so far
Therefore: Dharan is 106 acres up and vines is naturally a 106 acres down (the second half of this statement is for vines benefit just incase he screws up the math again).
In the spirit of thorn, Go Vines Go!
You had several chances to hit me with my army out, and you didn't do it, knowing my retal would be better than yours. You are an 80% drafted turtled gnome with 40% homes, of course I can't break you moron. That doesn't mean you are stronger, since anytime you hit me, my retal will outgain you, because my strategy and build is better than yours.
By the way, I am making 20k gc/hr while drafting, so I don't know where you get this 1k an hour crap lol.
I have better gains, fewer losses, probably better science, better economy, and an all around better province, which is why I am 1200 acres from only retaliation acres and you had to explore to get back over 1k.
I retaled the hit on me yesterday and you knew it, but still lacked the courage to attack, because you are trying to pump up so you can hit and stay unbreakable, but you CAN'T DO IT.
I just conquested you, come get some *****. Man up!
the reason for that is because I didn't build up all my forts and all my tgs. Now if I would have done that he would have not been able to attack. Instead waited after he attacked me to province this point. The fact is I can still draft but I'm not going to do anything until I see him stop growing. To me it looks like he is trying to get out of the net worth range. I'm not even drafting. How can you say I'm pumping. You are just trying to make your self look good.
Military Intelligence on Dirt Patch (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #20
Ruler & Race: Lord Dirtbag, Gnome.
** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 71%
Efficiency (SoM): 158.7% off, 142.6% def, 107.8% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 175,183
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 130,039
Modified Attack points (calculated): 175,183
Modified Defense points (calculated): 130,021
** Standing Army (At Home) **
Soldiers: 1 (2 offense / 1 defense)
Pikemen: 574 (4,093 defense)
Golems: 22,077 (175,181 offense / 125,927 defense)
Total Attack points: 175,183
Total Defense points: 130,021
Military Intelligence on Dirt Patch (##:##)
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.96 Alpha 3]
Server: Genesis #20
Ruler & Race: Lord Dirtbag, Gnome.
** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 71%
Efficiency (SoM): 158.7% off, 142.6% def, 107.8% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 175,183
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 130,039
Modified Attack points (calculated): 175,183
Modified Defense points (calculated): 130,021
** Standing Army (At Home) **
Soldiers: 1 (2 offense / 1 defense)
Pikemen: 574 (4,093 defense)
Golems: 22,077 (175,181 offense / 125,927 defense)
Total Attack points: 175,183
Total Defense points: 130,021
He attacked me but it was a conquest he was not is my range. He has to let of some building or something so he could be in conquest range. That proves my point you just bottom feed of me big deal any one can do that and you did it with a conquest.
Man get out of here. Try to say I was pump I wasn't even drafting.
See what I could have done was abush then conquest but I tried of this bs. It is clear that my province is the stronger attacker.
You are an idiot!!!! I am in perfect range of you moron, gains are NW based. You are truly a retard, LMFAO!
I can't believe you just learn hit me when I gave you a golden chance to hit me. You are such a failure.
You'll see what I'm doing I just don't hope you back out again.
Edit: Ummm before the attacks you were almost 200k that's out of conquest range you had to lower it some how and you did. No backing out this time.
isn't conquest range +/-15%? in which case even at 200k he would be within range.
im not sure bout that though. but i strongly suspect vines is failing at math again.
EDIT: K yeah found the right range...its +/- 5% whoops.
I got this out of my own war page. I can't conquest him. And for him to conquest he had to let go of something so he would be able to. If you don't know something do not talk about it like you do. He's province is no longer my size in net and he still can break my province with full army at home and he is trying to call this victory(?) The point of the one on one is to fight a the same net worth. Not to out grow the opponent and then conquest them.
Minimum Conquest NW: 172,007gc
Maximum Conquest NW: 190,111gc
haha i did say i wasn't sure about it so no i didn't talk about something as if i knew it when i didn't.
incidentally, if he managed to grow because of your initial failures, that's not cos he wanted to outgrow you, that's cos u sucked isn't that so?
Economist now I really think you do know what you are taking about. From the sounds of it, I would have to say you never even played the game.
If that's the case he would have waited until we were the same net worth. No he was out growing to bottom feed and that is what he has done. But none the less we will see how this plays out. I broke him when wer were almost the very same net worth.
He won't be able to TM me when he army get back, he'll have to conquest again. Look, I can win this but it is going to take far too long. The best he can do is conquest me even with my army out and I can TM him army out or army in. If we kept trading blows slowly I would start to come back in land buecause he can't TM. And there is a chance that once he realizes I'm gaining land he'll back out and I don't have time for all that. I want to run a different province. I give up you win.
A compliment! Thanks vines.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
He's fleeing again...Bye vines!!
I'm not running, I give up. He won't be able to TM and when his army gets back he will have to raze buildings or let go of some military in order to get into conquest range. At which point I'll anbush then TM him but I'm tried of all this foolishness. I want to run a different province so in order to do that I have to delet this one.
Soooo cute. Just looky at 'im, aww...Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
[21:03] <@DHaran> !som 116062 114127Quote:
He won't be able to TM me when he army get back, he'll have to conquest again.
[21:03] <bot> >>> 96718 (120% 118%) +- 19%
Your defense is 96,718 and my offense is 93,251 and with gens is 101k+ so I think you better start training defense buddy, you only have a few hours left before I stomp your ass.
I released nothing. The reason you can't conquest me back is because I dropped you out of range by taking 58 acres and killing 980 of your troops. You couldn't be any more clueless.Quote:
I got this out of my own war page. I can't conquest him. And for him to conquest he had to let go of something so he would be able to.
Nuff said.Quote:
I give up you win.
so... you loose either way???Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
and, ill bet that DH will attack you as soon as his army is home =)
AND break you...
He's much bigger than me he should be able to but his military is not strong enough.
Net Offensive Points at Home: 127,457
Net Defensive Points at Home: 99,038
And this is after I got attacked and lost 500 men. Now you can TM but really if I hadn't been attack you wouldn't have been able too. You were looking at my province with no protection casted and no town watch.
But it doesn't matter I already gave up you won.
vines you should try a orc or something with max draft 65% and actually have a prov that works even when you get hitted or lose some army in battle
vines: 0
others: 3
says all about your home and 100% BE strats
Your forces arrive at Dirt Patch (xx:xx), and battle begins quickly...
A tough battle took place, but we have managed a victory!
Your army has taken 78 new acres! 36 buildings survived and can be refitted to fit our needs. We also gained 451 specialist training credits. Taking full control of your new land will take 10.89 days. Your new land will be available on April 20th, YR7.
408 peasants settled on your new lands.
We lost 25 Soldiers and 436 Berserkers in this battle. Our forces will be again available on April 20th, YR7.
We killed about 1650 enemy troops.
I would have broken you either way nub, 500 troops would not have changed that. Now it seems you are the one who has realized the reality and tried to run before it was too late. Sorry, but it was too late before it even started. Your provinces are impractical piles of **** compared to the average player.
I took 3 hits other than from you, one of them from your kingdom mate. You have no excuse. You told me to hit you with your army home and that is exactly what I did. My conquest drew out your troops and you were hit again easily. I bet your economy is in tatters right now with no incoming land.
I hope you learned something, but we all know that isn't true.
DIE TROLL.
Shut up all you did what out grow me. Stop talking ****. If hand not been attack you still would have not been able to attack me. You were bearly able to get an tm off while being while +20% net bigger. All you did was out grow me that's all you did. And I got bord because even if I start winning you would back and try to reground so I said for get.
You failed and lost miserably vines, you couldn't keep up with the growth and your so called master strat
Well I could have out grew him simple and fast too but the point was to fight one on one at the same net worht. If I kept growing and out grew him he would just say I out grew him and that's how I won. He didn't want to do a one on one and he didn't not want to be the same net worth and that's why he started growing he could have conquested me the first time but he didn't instead he choose to grow and become a higher net worth. I was not going to waste my time. I'm happy it's over with. Think what you want. Don't use my strategy if you think they are weak. By all means don't then don't use them.
Vines, how do you think you would ever get anywhere with a 1on1 without any of you gaining acres?
I make a mistake I should have just built up all my military and fort and Tgs and then attack and he wouldn't have been able to attack back that's how I appect to gain land. That's what I normally do but I didn't do that I wanted to prove a point first. That even being dwarf and having banks and all that other stuff. My province was better in military power, econ, and BE. I learned how that barracks can be useful in my own strategy. I lost that one on one but I'm not defeated. I know my strategy is far superior.
Yes Dharan watch out that far superior stratergy will beat you, one day, maybe not this age, maybe not the age after that.....maybe not EVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
I only gained acres from you, and retals against people who attacked me. In fact, I didn't even retal the hit from your kdmate. Your strategy left you too vulnerable if you sent out troops, which is why you turtled. Your 80% draft didn't let you hit me and stay unbreakable, so you turtled another 3 days while converting to higher TGs and Forts trying desperately to become unbreakable, but you couldn't do it.
Your strategy failed. You had to explore to regain land I took from you trying to get back to my size, which defeats the purpose. You are supposed to attack me to get the land moron, not turtle and explore. Even still, you couldn't do anything to stop me from taking your land.
Bottom line is, you got scared and deleted when the truth came out that you could not win. I will link this thread to anyone who you give advice to, so they can see how ****ty of a player you are. Game over.Quote:
April 11th, YR7 Alas, the once proud province of Dirt Patch (12:20) has collapsed and lies in ruins.
lol
Yeah, anyone wanting advice surely wants to read a 27-page thread ;)
Yea I will have to make a condensed version, hmmmm...
noooooob vines!!! come join me in my noobiness vinessss! he outgrew u by hitting you. you made him grow due to your eminent suckiness.
^_^ this is comic gold.
50% homes FTW
400th post in epic thread