Current kingdom is VS DBing SpartaEz enough Bart (X:XX)

No, quite the opposite, octobrev tried to put them on the righteous path. They were a bunch of bad kiddies before octo showed up.

lmao just a few days and this escalated pretty quickly

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

(this one refes to me being the idiot, Rizen is not even with us for a while here btw)

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And, Rizen was in fact, in Sparta/Sanctus last age. Why are you lying ?

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Originally Posted by astron

lmao just a few days and this escalated pretty quickly



And, Rizen was in fact, in Sparta/Sanctus last age. Why are you lying ?

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Edit: Delete please.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReid

Last age or one before. He intra trad one of our cows after asking for aid for mercs to break.

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Last age.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Last age.

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Yeah, wrong guy. My bad. I thought rizen was Till's pseudonym.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReid

Age before last. Matija is not lying. He intra trad one of our cows after asking for aid for mercs, soldiers to break.

Surprised he hasn't fessed up in octo's confessions thread.

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Guys that laugh about stuff like this deserve whatever Sparta dishes out, lol. I can't condemn Sparta through the 3 wars I've encountered them: once in The Wishmasters, with bishop/korp in the disease theme kingdom, and finally vs Pyro after the Freeakstyle debacle.

It was my opinion Pyro fought a terrible war vs Sparta but I could see Sparta had evolved where Pyro felt very staid at the time. We had to wreck the humans and my slopfest efforts were the only attempts I was aware of. I just stink at timing, but then I'm not use to being in ordered kingdoms.

Simply had no diplomacy issues other than The Wishmasters slow wave.

I never encounted Sparta so you must be mistaken Strat0.

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Originally Posted by Korp

I never encounted Sparta so you must be mistaken Strat0.

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Maybe you and Bishop accidentally played in a real kd and didn't notice?

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Originally Posted by Bishop

What's this now with pretending Sparta are victims?

Sweetiepie, why should flogger not retail Bart's dealbreak and subsequent permarazekill?

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Strato detailed it far better than I can in post #324

Griefing is the easiest thing in the world, any fule can do it.

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Originally Posted by Sweetiepie

Strato detailed it far better than I can in post #324

Griefing is the easiest thing in the world, any fule can do it.

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Im going to redefine grief for you babe

People seem to have massive problems giving Bishop an straight answer. It's a bit funny.

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Originally Posted by Sweetiepie

Strato detailed it far better than I can in post #324

Griefing is the easiest thing in the world, any fule can do it.

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Did you not understand what happened? Bart dealbroke and then permakilled a kingdom.

Why would flogger not look to retaliate this? Or do you subscribe to the theory that small kds should just suck up hits from large kds, because that's what I looks like to me based on your posting history

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Originally Posted by Sweetiepie

Strato detailed it far better than I can in post #324

Griefing is the easiest thing in the world, any fule can do it.

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I think what Sparta does, when they bully, could be defined as "Griefing".

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Did you not understand what happened? Bart dealbroke and then permakilled a kingdom.

Why would flogger not look to retaliate this? Or do you subscribe to the theory that small kds should just suck up hits from large kds, because that's what I looks like to me based on your posting history

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Bart did not DB. There wasn't any deal to break. Matija broke a CF which never had any agreed terms attached to it. Putting in effort to rk a kingdom isn't usually worth it. Not unless they vow to FSU. What if flogger (or whoever) had vowed to raze into CR's wars? Or BB's? You expect them to just sit idly by?

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReid

Bart did not DB. There wasn't any deal to break. Matija broke a CF which never had any agreed terms attached to it. Putting in effort to rk a kingdom isn't usually worth it. Not unless they vow to FSU. What if flogger (or whoever) had vowed to raze into CR's wars? Or BB's? You expect them to just sit idly by?

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Matija has, as a matter of fact, spammed me on Line and Whatsapp after I did not reply him on Line, content was something along the lines of committing his entire time in uto to "ending" me just as of 12hours ago. I have so far set idly by. Or are you giving me the green light to wipe your entire KD out of existence as you did with Flogger ?

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Originally Posted by astron

Matija has, as a matter of fact, spammed me on Line and Whatsapp after I did not reply him on Line, content was something along the lines of committing his entire time in uto to "ending" me just as of 12hours ago. I have so far set idly by. Or are you giving me the green light to wipe your entire KD out of existence as you did with Flogger ?

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Oh this is getting good, if everyone who has claimed they are going to wipe Sparta out, try to wipe Sparta out...

(I'm party to the "lets wipe Sparta out crowd", in case not everyone knows this.)

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Originally Posted by Magicus Lex Non Scripta

Oh this is getting good, if everyone who has claimed they are going to wipe Sparta out, try to wipe Sparta out...

(I'm party to the "lets wipe Sparta out crowd", in case not everyone knows this.)

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Originally Posted by Korp

I never encounted Sparta so you must be mistaken Strat0.

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If memory serves me, goodz was monarch. I recall the end, when someone who was chained, unleashed a barrage of amnesia spells on one of Spartas leaders. I was running a dwarf tac. Phobias was what it was.

This was prior to Sparta rising to where they are now.

At the time, The Wishmasters were vacillating in and out of the charts.

Considering their long history, The Wishmasters, had never encountered Noobies Don't Bite. I had warned them that NDB were a punishing if honorable war kingdom. We'd learned this in HRS when we(I was being sat) waved Noobies to get away from FREE.

Thus

In lending my province to an ambitious new guy, in HRS, I told him to treat it as it was his. My love for the game isn't tied to my finishes. I was an undead cleric at 4500 acres and had thwarted many chains. My build was the subject of much critisism and as expected the new guy switched things up. My province was summarily chained to 327 acres and learned to smithereens.

When I took over my province after sitting I noted an invite was in my lobby. This is when I said my friendly farewells to the HRS crew and blindly took the invite. To me the adventure was in not looking. Yes, I could've just checked what kingdom it was, but that's boring. This was when I ended up in Monsters for 24 hrs. Since they were rigid about their com system I left. Not long after I joined Thundercats providing my own invite as requested. This was my first time joining a Bishop retirement kingdom. Steel, octo, Karazy and babethesnake were among the occupants.

This is my first time seeing bishop getting so involved. I would love to see some actions too. Not just wall of text which is repeated being seen in previous few threads about how Spartans to be razed to the ground

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Did you not understand what happened? Bart dealbroke and then permakilled a kingdom.

Why would flogger not look to retaliate this? Or do you subscribe to the theory that small kds should just suck up hits from large kds, because that's what I looks like to me based on your posting history

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Did you not read Strato's post, #324, or did you not understand it? Questions answered there.

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

This is my first time seeing bishop getting so involved. I would love to see some actions too. Not just wall of text which is repeated being seen in previous few threads about how Spartans to be razed to the ground

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3lQRmIkoM

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Originally Posted by Sweetiepie

Did you not read Strato's post, #324, or did you not understand it? Questions answered there.

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Don't dodge - I am asking you directly.

Why do you think flogger should not retaliate the dealbreaking and subsequent permakill?

Dealbreak is a serious accusation. The burden of proof is on the accuser. The kill is result of the immediate FSU threat, the KD in question wouldn't cease hits.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Dealbreak is a serious accusation. The burden of proof is on the accuser. The kill is result of the immediate FSU threat, the KD in question wouldn't cease hits.

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Given Barts previous, the burden to prove otherwise is entirely on him. Reputations are a tough thing to shift.

That's not how it works in civilized societies. Usually the punishment increases if there are past offenses but the burden of proof remains the same.

Also, look at it from a practical angle. The accuser here would have an easy time to post their confirmed termed CF deal if it existed. Bart has no way of proving its nonexistence.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

That's not how it works in civilized societies. Usually the punishment increases if there are past offenses but the burden of proof remains the same.

Also, look at it from a practical angle. The accuser here would have an easy time to post their confirmed termed CF deal if it existed. Bart has no way of proving its nonexistence.

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Not true. Evidence of character.

Eta: ex. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_evidence

In a criminal trial this circumstantial evidence is inadmissible. We're not fighting over custody here. There's an alleged dealbreak.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

In a criminal trial this circumstantial evidence is inadmissible. We're not fighting over custody here. There's an alleged dealbreak.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habit_evidence

Habit evidence is a term used in the law of evidence in the United States to describe any evidence submitted for the purpose of proving that a person acted in a particular way on a particular occasion based on that person's tendency to reflexively respond to a particular situation in a particular way.

Habit evidence must be distinguished from character evidence, which seeks to show that a person behaved in a particular way on a particular occasion based on that person's prior bad acts, or based on the opinion of a witness, or based on that person's reputation in the community. Such character evidence is generally inadmissible.

See you in court.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

That's not how it works in civilized societies. Usually the punishment increases if there are past offenses but the burden of proof remains the same.

Also, look at it from a practical angle. The accuser here would have an easy time to post their confirmed termed CF deal if it existed. Bart has no way of proving its nonexistence.

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Sufficient evidence has already been posted. Are you now denying Sparta dealbroke, as well as pretending to be victims?

I am denying Sparta dealbroke. I haven't seen any evidence at all. I'm not pretending to be a victim, I'm saying we are being falsely accused. I plead Sparta innocent.

you can lie / deny all you like, you deal broke, you played dirty and in all future you will be judge on this behavior, against big or small kingdom.

Those are accusations. No proof as of yet, not even habitual evidence has been presented.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Those are accusations. No proof as of yet, not even habitual evidence has been presented.

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http://arnoldlawfirm.com/wp-content/...flow-chart.jpg

I'll be honest, I'm not even going through that chart. The statement was that the burden of proof lies within the accused, which simply isn't true. Whatever type of evidence you are presenting the burden of proving guilt is upon the accuser. Go ahead, plead your case. Law theory is a not a case.

These are Federal laws anyway. In Utopia we have a different rule set. It's basically kill or be killed.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Those are accusations. No proof as of yet, not even habitual evidence has been presented.

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Bart showed the dealbreaking in post 4.

Spartans have prior. Any denial of same is lunacy.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Bart showed the dealbreaking in post 4.

Spartans have prior. Any denial of same is lunacy.

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SPOCK: We have engine power now, Captain, if you'd like to move off and make repairs.
KIRK: Maybe we can pull them back to our side of the Neutral Zone. Hold our position. Play dead.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Sender The Wise King Test of GaNgStaH (Gangster-KD)
Recipient King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Sparta)
Subject Re:Bart
I guess you 12 yrs old Bart not yet faced the true life of contracts or you just mentally handicapped? Whereever you go to the bank, cardealer, conducting buiness, etc. You get a contract that you need to sign. If you dont read it and sign it and then violate any of that rules you signed under you will be breaking the agreement.

Now in this case its very similiar. I sent you a msg with the terms along with a CF offer. You accepted the CF offer and you read the msg. No reply means YOU accepted it! Because silence dont buy imunity. All other rules are made up by you and NOT by the majority of the world.

Sure this is a game and you break them becasue you wont get legaly punished for it. But in real world this would not be to yours favour. And any court of law would see you signature along with what you signed ;) You would be fined and you would pay the court expenses for the whole process by claiming but i did not sign, not my signature or whatever you make up kind of wont work :)



This guy seems to think that not replying implies consent, he even admits it himself!

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Besides the foul language I don't see a confirmed deal of any sort here, hmm. Does it matter? Flogger is his own judge and jury it seems and he will do as he pleases. Personally, I'm waiting in sincere anticipation.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Besides the foul language I don't see a confirmed deal of any sort here, hmm. Does it matter? Flogger is his own judge and jury it seems and he will do as he pleases. Personally, I'm waiting in sincere anticipation.

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Bart accepted the CF with terms, he's just trying to ****play stating he didn't accept the terms. Legal technicalities don't really fly here - every single player is their own judge and jury.

It looks like you are trying to boost PR by just denying reality.

Matija: con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.