Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Not quite following, but based on that statement alone, doesn't it make both your responsibilities?

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I see no one to blame at this point. It's lowest common denominator.

Sheister is doing what anyone can do.

I might be a nice guy, but it'd be naive for me not to realize the amount of damage one could inflict in Utopia. Knowing this is also a bit of a curse in my jaded view. It is always easier to destroy. I simply hoped that Sheister, being as cultured as he is, would be above it.

It doesn't disappoint me nor should it matter. The challenge of the game is in building.

It doesn't get past me the statement Steel made about disbanding ghettos. This is interesting in the realm of the knights of order, as it were. It's altogether one thing to wreak havoc and destruction, but to envision it as a forging mechanism has its merit. No guidance is offered: this is because only a naturally competitive player will seek evolution and migrate to higher standards.

I on the other hand believe the heights of goodness can be found in chaos. Freedom will yield the highest levels of performance. Teamwork: from a holistic mingling of each player at the zenith of their capabilities. - I am somewhat pragmatic about the whole. This is why The Virtual Kingdom has order, balance and division.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

This is why The Virtual Kingdom has order, balance and division.

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Remind me to never join this thing called The Virtual Kingdom - I've heard enough. JK love you Strato.

Success is constant change, order just inhibits that.

Don't even get me started on division, why would you even bring such a foul thing up!?

gfg

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Not quite following, but based on that statement alone, doesn't it make both your responsibilities?

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Hello?? I've already stated that at least 3 times in this thread. why are you asking me to confirm something I have not denied. Look at the text you're quoting for crying out loud.

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Originally Posted by Madchess

the toodler race is on, who will win the lollipop crown.

I don't see how diplomacy and threaths even comes into play when it all started with randoms, both sides must be super noob for escalating this to the point of thretening to raze into wars, raze oow and even into wars.

If you threten something out of the blue for whatever prelude of randoms you are the one who started it cause you could not handle the situation you was in, whatever you get in return is just the other sides response to that threat, and yes I have no clue which one of the sides that stated this.

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Well the only person so far who has razed into a war is Sheister.. so I think it speaks for itself :)

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

Im not making this about anybody panda Bishop was the one sat in #tactics with Steel making a huge song and dance about it all and shouting about how our age was over and we messed with the wrong kingdom.

Until that point nobody even knew he was over there.. so please establish the correct facts before accusing us of making it about anyone.

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About every other post from your kingdom claims that Bishop is at fault for ruining the game and Bishop should action them and Bishop was responsible for 9/11 and AIDS. You caught him on one of his logins per weeks having a bit of fun on irc. Maybe you shouldn't raze a kingdom out of the blue. Just a thought.

Also it's laughable that you expect him to action sheister or korp or steel or whoever. No one as ever been actioned for hitting into a war or having high cf terms. You get actioned for cheating or profanity. It seems as if none of those lines were crossed so there's zero precedent do action anyone here. At least the guy's consistent which is all people ask.

The only one that needs to get correct facts is you.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

So if you walk into a room that you think is empty to collect something and it turns out someone is having a meeting in there, are you guilty of deliberately interrupting their meeting?

What part don't people get. We had no idea they were in any conflict, they weren't tagged up as in hostile, and we only hit Sheister. If you want to consider that "hitting into an active hostile" then go right ahead, one cannot educate those who don't wish to learn.

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Following your analogy you can look through the window (take a SN) and see that they are in a meeting. You then knock first and tell them what's going to happen.

This is really common courtesy to avoid dragging a whole kingdom into a single province vendetta.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Maybe we should all be deleted by Bishop. The victim card will not work on me. I've told you what it would take for me to join your side in this forum war but you keep dismissing your part of the blame like it doesn't even exist, you are not even discussing it. I can completely understand if my services as a forum warrior are not needed or asked for here - I'll promptly leave you to it on your own and show myself out. Was fun regardless :D

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What it would take? are you talking 5K acres? Abi deletes? these are not even in the realm of possibilities. You can not diplo with people like that.

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Originally Posted by Krynn

Indeed, this has gone on too long. and as a Game representative Bishop should have put this crap down long ago. It does the game any good and only lowers the moral of those new players we try to cultivate into the game. No wonder M****a grows as Utopia dwindles away.

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Bishop only takes action when rules are violated.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

If You Harbor Terrorists, You Are a Terrorist.. there will be no negotiation with terrorists....

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We've seen how much love lobbing missiles into crowds has garnered the United States. Maybe DD should have learnt something there and spoken to us first...

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Originally Posted by krynn

your an asshat that has brought conflict where ever you land. and again it should have been Bishop ( as a representative of the "Game" ) to quash this kind of thing quick and decisively.

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Again, no rule violation.

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Originally Posted by krynn

you were not wronged. you took on the baggage he brought with him. Instead of calling an end to it, you fed his childish tantrum.

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We invited somebody into our kingdom and we (as a kingdom, he was in our kingdom) were attacked without warning or provocation. Should have spoken to us first. You entered our hostile when you razed him. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by krynn

that is not an option. come back with some thing acceptable

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Our next offer will be 10k acres. Since you are so famous you should be able to grow to a size where that is possible?
After that, this leaks into next age.

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Originally Posted by krynn

been around since age 25 we are going no where fast. ;) been through worse than this. We will be here long after your gone. Wont be buying any credits for quite some time now though.

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I feel like you're going to eat your words on this one.

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Originally Posted by takeo

1. it's ok to oow raze another kd 2 wars in a row, but it's not ok to raze into a kd in hostile with another one (and not close to war them cuz of NW difference). The second option cost 5k acres, the first option is legit and cost nothing.
2. DD aren't age after age top tier kd, so they need to bend over anytime they random hit somewhere.

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1) First option was only enacted by sheister and threatened by Korp because of the ****ty actions of DD in the first place. Talk ****, get hit.
2) DD needs to learn to bend over sometimes. Has nothing to do with what tier they are in. We have done similar **** with top KDs like CR and ghettos like Simians in the past.

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Originally Posted by takeo

The operators of the game aim to maintain the highest standards of ethics within the game. Any instance of inappropriate language, manipulation of bugs, or acts of deception/fraud can result in immediate removal from the game. We rely on our users to help us enforce these rules and provide an enjoyable gaming environment for users of all ages and backgrounds.

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It has long been established that ethics are dictated within the playerbase and that anything that isn't strictly against the rules is allowed.

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Originally Posted by takeo

I'll add that I'm a DD since I joined Uto 2 years ago. Even if they weren't a top kd (and I don't care anymore about leets kd, I won my share of ages in the past in similar games + I have real life going on), I love the way they played and the ethics behind it.

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You love the way they hit into the active hostiles of kingdoms 60% smaller then they are without notification?
You love the way they are so terrible at diplomacy that they not only ended up with sheister razing into their wars all age, but now 5 other people?

Of course, it is everybody's fault but DD. They are so honourable, that is why they have created this mess for themselves. Theyre just too fair.

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Originally Posted by takeo

One of us adbucted Sheister and got 0 scientist. He goes crazy about it with excessive terms to avoid us with the consequences of being oow razed. We refused his terms since he wasn't monarch/stewart and the terms were a toatal abuse. He razed us over 80x in the last 2 wars we did. If it's good ethics, maybe we should all change our way to play.

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We are idiots: the sentence
You should have been smarter rather then arbitrarily deciding you won't diplo with somebody who isn't monarch and believing a single province can't ruin your age. Like many folks have told you: learn from this mistake.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

Im not making this about anybody panda Bishop was the one sat in #tactics with Steel making a huge song and dance about it all and shouting about how our age was over and we messed with the wrong kingdom.

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There would have been no song and dance if you didn't make fools of yourself in PM with Korp and Octo and acted like you ran the place because you were so well known. But you did mess with the wrong kingdom and now you are going to have to pay up, either with the rest of this age & next or with 5k acres or the deletion of your province.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

We aren't the ones making threads in forums for our cronies to show their love..

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It is actually to demonstrate that ghettos **** play just as hard as anybody else, and are twice as hypocritical when they do. You would all have cried bloody murder and mass defected if this happened to you.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

And if Sheister then razes repeatedly into wars, you should realise that it's not going to end there.

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You should have communicated with us before continuing your personal vendetta with sheister. It was you who decided it wasn't going to end.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

Way to not be elitist lol

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Once again the great Abi demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension! Surprise surprise!
Korp is trying to say you are a bunch of ****ty lowlifes with no ethics. Nothing elitist about it...

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

It's as fair as making 44 razes into someones war. And they're not random provinces, they are provinces in your kingdom. Besides, we don't need to be "fair" we just need to not break the rules. Once again Korp, you are as guilty as we are on the "being unfair" side of things. Difference being we can accept that, you never will.

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When this began you said you were only razing Sheister. It wasn't a kingdom matter, you insisted, because he was an individual province. But that was a lie. You were already razing Korp. Then you said this was between you, sheister, and Korp. Then it became about Bishop too. Then you began razing more and more provinces. Now you've begun razing provinces who never interacted with your kingdom and you're essentially coordinating what amounts to a gb with Strippers.

And all of that is fine in terms of the rules. But it is **** play, it is dishonest, it demonstrates you're a liar, and it is going to cause you a lot more trouble before it gets any better for your ghetto.

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Originally Posted by takeo

So, you are basically saying it's ok to be oow razed and to not do anything about it??? But DD should bend over to have raze them, in retal, in normal stance, hostile to a kd too big that they couldn't war... Where have you all put your brain? Take it back please before writting again.

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If you can not do anything about it, then yeah. You eat some razes and do whatever is possible to stop them. I don't see how spending 6 weeks razing us is going to stop the problem for you. I'm going to be here next age and so are you.
And once again, you and your kingdom mates demonstrate how absolutely little you know about Utopia or its mechanics by insisting an active hostile must meet some arbitrary criteria you have invented. Your two years in the game were poorly spent with DD if that is what you learnt.

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Originally Posted by krynn

What it would take? are you talking 5K acres? Abi deletes? these are not even in the realm of possibilities. You can not diplo with people like that.

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You -might- have been able to diplo with us before you razed into the kingdom. But now those are the terms of a ceasefire. You spend 6 weeks razing us & continue this next age or you accept the terms. Simple.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

If you want to move on to other things with you kingdom swallow some of that pride and see how that goes, I'll be the first one to defend you if they don't budge after that.

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Show me the logs where you admit your faults to them in a polite way, admit to them that razing any of them was a gameplay mistake (nothing more, if you have more to confess than that then you shouldn't be crying right now), offer some sort of reparation (nothing grand, just a token of good will) and show the will to move on. That's what it would take for me to become a loyal soldier to the cause!

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Remind me to never join this thing called The Virtual Kingdom - I've heard enough. JK love you Strato.

Success is constant change, order just inhibits that.

Don't even get me started on division, why would you even bring such a foul thing up!?

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Back at you. ;-)

Order in the Utopian vacuum yields success: Observe your top kingdoms.

I brought up division because my aim is healthy competition. Division is seen as a bad word in the PC world, but in our world it's likened to armored divisions. By recognizing the innate level of the team concept from pairs to orchestration we can get players in roles that best suit them. Some guys are great in pairs, others quartets and still others in mob rule. For simplicities sake I've divided The Virtual Kingdom into 3 divisions: 2 pincers and a spearhead, if you please.

Order comes from lineage. Observing the current game makeup of 8 races and personalities hails the chess back line. In other words, there is arguable evidence that pawns were not incorporated into the game. Thus, attacker cores/pawns are not a game bias but a cultural player bias. The left and right are divided by raw and transferred capability. For instance, an avian has a depth of raw ability. No runes or builds necessary to boast a viable speed or birthrate. Personality choice can enhance or diversify bias.

Raw - undead, avian, halfling, human
Transferred - orcs, dwarves, elves, faery

Now, Totally on Topic ~ Dungeon Dwellers. Finally know what DD stands for. Anyways I always liked you guys from the outside. I saw you using Pimp long after others abandoned this gem and I'm currently in a place that uses Pimp. It is stil all I ever needed a bot to do. It's immaterial if you still use it. I know the pressures of bot fanatics.

Chess is such a boring game. All the figures have predetermined roles, never allowing for change. I bet some of those Pawns have days where they feel like Rooks and vice versa.

Or actually never mind, if a Pawn reaches the end of the board it becomes whichever figure it chooses to which makes it all the more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

To be fair, Korp and crew did know what was going on because as soon as you razed I provided much the same history as was in my first post in this thread (I believe it is post #3 or so..) That still does not change that you offered a CF to my prior Kingdom who asked me if they should accept it, they then accepted it when I made the diplomacy offer to your Steward (since you would not respond to messages) and then we waited. EoWCF passed, no communication, I chalked it up to you being a peevish child, note I had given you a deadline of 24 hrs to accept or decline and I did not recommence razing after the 24 hrs, signalling that I was open to letting things rest. You were out of EOWCF for 48 hrs or more before I guessed we were done and accepted the invite from Korp. I could have had my other monarch rescind the CF and commences razing you again without an instant of problem. I was over 800 acres at the time I accepted the invitation, I could have defected and been 640 and fully trained an in perfect top feeding postion to torment you beyond your wildest dreams. I did not. I let you go. You restarted with me. Accept that simple fact. It was done until YOU REINITIATED. But lets be clear, you STARTED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

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So Im just gonna throw this out there since theirs this whole back and forth about how Kes should have come to you first and told you what was up, and vise versa...... Its seems like you already knew what the deal was....... I mean admittedly by your own guy, so when the razes to ONLY him were going on maybe you should have stepped up and messaged Kes and said hey we got his side we kinda know whats going on, do you wanna clarify anything? But now it just seems you were just a bunch of Drama Queens looking for attention. YOU knew what was going on, YOU made a threat rather then finding out info, No one was hit except your little trouble maker who made KD jumps causing issues. You all really need get a life.... seriously....... MOM HES TOUCHING ME..... WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I still have 6 pages of this thread to read but I have had a good laugh so far.

A few years back I was in a ghetto that for 2 ages lost every war except two, both of those wars were against Dungeon Dwellers lol! Republic of Octobrev will stand victorious and micturate into whatever hole they decide to leave DD in. Long live octo! Long live RoO!

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Originally Posted by lillylu29

So Im just gonna throw this out there since theirs this whole back and forth about how Kes should have come to you first and told you what was up, and vise versa...... Its seems like you already knew what the deal was....... I mean admittedly by your own guy, so when the razes to ONLY him were going on maybe you should have stepped up and messaged Kes and said hey we got his side we kinda know whats going on, do you wanna clarify anything? But now it just seems you were just a bunch of Drama Queens looking for attention. YOU knew what was going on, YOU made a threat rather then finding out info, No one was hit except your little trouble maker who made KD jumps causing issues. You all really need get a life.... seriously....... MOM HES TOUCHING ME..... WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Once again - if you're going to raze into a kingdom randomly it is your responsibility to contact that kingdom. We aren't going to ask you why you're double hostiling us whether we know your 'history' or not. You aren't even refuting the points sheister made about the deal with his previous kingdom.

You made a ****ty decision. Admit it already.