CR vs AMA

Anri, no one care what you think or what you want, but thanks for keep posting. I predicted this topic to pass 150+ pages and i think we can make it together ;)

About **** play. Yes i can tell my kd did one from most clean ages from long time any top kd had past 10 ages. Same time we was constant **** played from rest and when you cornered us so hard we reacted. If you didn't learned your lesson, there will be "fair punish" so you can learn it. Im not going to accept any kind power play on us and any moral lessons from ppl/kds play dirty and lame every age.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

People will be able to see above as well how totally uncooperative Elit was being and how much pyro were wetting their pants at the prospect of gaining more cow acres. Notice as well with Elit most of the reasons is based around "trust". How can you trust someones word when they dealbroke, then claimed they didn't, then they did, then they didn't?

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If there is anyone you can trust, it's a man who doesn't apologize unless he means it.

From what I can tell you are only involved in this discussion at all as a way to feel important. It's getting old.

Please keep feeding me more "private" logs! OMNOMNOM!

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

If there is anyone you can trust, it's a man who doesn't apologize unless he means it.

From what I can tell you are only involved in this discussion as all as a way to feel important. It's getting old.

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Touche.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

[19:29] <&maximouse> k, I am gonna check with prteus and elit if they want to do diplo
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:29] <maximouse> hey there
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:30] <Elit> hi
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:30] <maximouse> did I understand it correct you are interrested in talking to see if we can end this?
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:30] <maximouse> or am I misinformed?
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:32] <Elit> i think you are
03[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:32] <Elit> AB offered me some nonsenses
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:32] <maximouse> k. too bad
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:32] <Elit> and i think you are onw from main guilty for all this
[19:33] <&maximouse> [20:32] <maximouse> I was hoping we could end this now
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:33] <Elit> if your kd didunt decide to act so smart and drop cf i had with zauper in progres there wont be all this drama
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:33] <Elit> how you sggest it end?
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:33] <Elit> im not interest any deal include havoc win age after what you did
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:33] <maximouse> we didnt drop a CF. We said we wouldnt extend it. CF was still up when you deal broke
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:33] <Elit> if you agree with it we can discuss rest
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:34] <maximouse> I cant agree to that
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:34] <maximouse> there is an agreement between pyro/simians/rage/cr that includes pyro and havoc fighting 1 vs 1 when this is over
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:35] <Elit> its not aproved from me so its not valid :)
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:35] <Elit> you did dumb move and need to pay for it
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:35] <Elit> how we pay now
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:35] <Elit> any other is not valid
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:35] <Elit> but this can give you better chances next age
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:36] <maximouse> we pushed you like you and others would push in our situation. It sucks to be pushed. But we didnt break any rules or agreement
[19:37] <&maximouse> [20:37] <maximouse> anyways, the agreement between the 4 kd's stands. I would like to end the stuff with ama but I cant and wont break any deals the 4 KD's that are involved made
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There is more chats of us being reasonable and trying to get together to work out a fair solution but to accuse us of being one way and threatening them with 25 PKed provinces is absolute crap.

People will be able to see above as well how totally uncooperative Elit was being and how much pyro were wetting their pants at the prospect of gaining more cow acres. Notice as well with Elit most of the reasons is based around "trust". How can you trust someones word when they dealbroke, then claimed they didn't, then they did, then they didn't?

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I was trolling you main there but same time what i told is full correct. You are main guilty for all this situation with handle it bad. You cant notice us before CF expire and you cant call dibs long before CF expire. You know very well our deal have terms leave us options to avoid get notice legit. Its part from all game diplo. With you pre-notice notice you set "reason" for double hostile us. Considering your past i know you are perfect fine with double hostile other kds and you have done it.


p.s. You made me troll offer you got troll reply. Pyro made me serious offer and i gave them serious reply. Its how diplo work.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Please keep feeding me more "private" logs! OMNOMNOM!

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Make sure you wont forget your other duties during read logs :P

K i will feed you abit too :)

vines has joined #
[15:00] <@Proteus-> Here comes to jail bird
[15:01] <@Proteus-> The*
[15:01] * ~Elit slaps vines around a bit with a large trout
[15:01] <~Elit> are you ok :)
[15:01] <~Elit> i hear scary story
[15:01] <@viNdict> vines was in jail?!
[15:01] <~Elit> you deal broke and police put you in jail!
[15:01] <@Zod> I want to hear a story
[15:01] <~Elit> did bishop reported you?

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

lol. Interresting to see which parts you chose to highlight and which parts you chose to let out.
Convenient you decided not to post about 10 different offers that didnt involve 25 greens. You know as well as everybody else involved, that 25 greens was the last resort, and that nobody was pushing for that. We did however agree that we would see this through till the end, and if forced we would go to 25 greens in ama.

Also convenient that you left out the part where you were okay with ama getting a ww given to them. A demand of them in order to stop things.

Will safe the rest for pm with you. You and I both know your not the saint your trying to pretend you are

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???

I relayed Elit's offer for CF to topsy conveniently(which was a WW and they took honor bonus) since topsy and I were talking right at the time and topsy told me he wanted to start nego with Elit. Though you probably already heard it from him yourself.

I have in no way said you should do it. You can, if you want, but thats not up to me to decide.
I also said many a kd have withdrawn from wars tactically to save cows, and if RBL feels their cows are threatened, a WD isnt out of the question.

So now I'm guilty of being a messenger?

Regarding your other offers, I honestly did not catch them, but what's the point here? They hold no weight anymore because you guys came up with a final deal with A,B,C,D,E terms. All other previous deals were inconsequential. So a salesman offers to sell you a BMW 5 series for 500k, you say no. Then 450k, you say no. Last offer, 300k take it or leave it. Do the 500k and 450k deals still matter? In the same breath I'm not privy to what you offered earlier, but surely it was a more detrimental deal from AMA's perspective than the final take it or leave it deal. That's my natural conclusion when you pitch a deal anyway, in real life. Just drawing parallels.

edit: i just saw some of what was going on there, but you can for sure see I wasnt online/responding, and was not aware of other offers. But still, pretty sure it entailed AMA halving their cows, since this was the issue that was the stickiest amongst every single one other than me and topsy minutes before the ultimatum.

And if no compliance, push the issue forward with 25 greens. And look at how much time we took to make the decision. 2 minutes? "All OK to 25 greens so far except Pyros right? I'm gonna follow through with it and ask that Pyros oblige". This when very clearly I stated my disapproval at the take it or leave it stance the group adopted(ie, 25 greens).

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Originally Posted by Korp

Its fascinating how you leave out what you gained and just say its not what you lost. Why are you trying to hide the amount that you gained?

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K, so what did CR gain?

We were about 185K acres with about 1 billion gc stocked before ama deal broke.

We were between 182K and 183K acres after ama withdrew with just under 100 million left.

What we lost from this is:

between 2K and 3K acres.
A HUGE amount of cow acres that we cant gain back.
roughly 900 million in gc.
A large amount of troops. Far exceeding the losses any other KD besides ama got.

What did we gain?

Science from the ww. On average just short of a 10% increase in bpa per prov.
Acres on core.
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Does that add up to us gaining from this to you? We all know cow acres are soo much more valuable then acres on core. And the science is gains for us. But be fair and look at the effect it will have and at what is cost us.

Only 1 KD trully gained from this and thats the KD that decided they should step out, go fortified and pump on the acres they promised they wouldnt keep if they stepped out before the rest.
Pyro gained acres on their cows that they couldnt have gotten from anywhere else, and pyro gained acres on their uppercore that they could never have gotten in just 48hours through whoring simply because of lack of targets.

So yeah, I will stick to my earlier post and claim that only pyro gained from this. Everybody else is at a loss in some way or another.

End result? AMA wont disband and will come back meaner and with more grudge while the other t10 show their shady colours.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

Only 1 KD trully gained from this and thats the KD that decided they should step out, go fortified and pump on the acres they promised they wouldnt keep if they stepped out before the rest.
Pyro gained acres on their cows that they couldnt have gotten from anywhere else, and pyro gained acres on their uppercore that they could never have gotten in just 48hours through whoring simply because of lack of targets.

So yeah, I will stick to my earlier post and claim that only pyro gained from this. Everybody else is at a loss in some way or another.

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Im surprised you don't told only AMA gained from all it :)

About Pyro gained 14k acres. Do you really think if Pyro didn't join in GB now you will be 182k acres? Because im sure now you will be under 120k acres and ama over 200k acres. Maybe you need to consider pay them "tax" for let you gain land from us.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

K, so what did CR gain?

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The ability to crown.

Like I told you in PM nesta, nobody wanted to go for 25 greens. We still dont. But everybody know from the start that there was a chance we would be forced to go there.
You post logs that suggest everybody besides pyro wanted to push for 25 greens in ama when you know very well that that wasnt the case. Everybody wants (still does) another solution.
You leave out the parts (ab posted a few of those allready I think) that show we were looking at all options.
Pretty selective pasting of logs you did here. Didnt the rest of the logs support your position?

Why not be fair now as you claim you are and say what you did and why you did it?

You promised you wouldnt leave untill the situation with ama was over. <--- yet you stepped out while everybody else still fights.
You promised twice in pm with me that you wouldnt leave before a deal between all was reached, but if you did leave that you would raze the acres you gained from ama. <--- so why are you in fortified pumping those acres?

Your the only KD that gained from this fight so far. And the moment you cant gain anymore is the moment you step out, forget your promisses and go fortified to pump?

What happened to you wanting a fair war with us and a shot at the crown? You think stepping out of the conflict while the rest is still in it, then forgetting what you promised and pump while everybody else fights is fair? lmao

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

K, so what did CR gain?

We were about 185K acres with about 1 billion gc stocked before ama deal broke.

We were between 182K and 183K acres after ama withdrew with just under 100 million left.

What we lost from this is:

between 2K and 3K acres.
A HUGE amount of cow acres that we cant gain back.
roughly 900 million in gc.
A large amount of troops. Far exceeding the losses any other KD besides ama got.

What did we gain?

Science from the ww. On average just short of a 10% increase in bpa per prov.
Acres on core.
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Does that add up to us gaining from this to you? We all know cow acres are soo much more valuable then acres on core. And the science is gains for us. But be fair and look at the effect it will have and at what is cost us.

Only 1 KD trully gained from this and thats the KD that decided they should step out, go fortified and pump on the acres they promised they wouldnt keep if they stepped out before the rest.
Pyro gained acres on their cows that they couldnt have gotten from anywhere else, and pyro gained acres on their uppercore that they could never have gotten in just 48hours through whoring simply because of lack of targets.

So yeah, I will stick to my earlier post and claim that only pyro gained from this. Everybody else is at a loss in some way or another.

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Well as far as it seems Pyro might gained much more if the razes go on and in the end AMA cows feed into the gb group. Maybe they felt whats done is done and is enough? CR were nr1 and AMA screwed it over with a deal break. Now punished, and CR back close to where they started. (not nr1 but now not very far from nr1 spot, and ample time to prepare for a war agreed with Pyro earlier, is it cancelled?) Isn't that enough already? And yes at some point certain kd will gain and some will lose, you don't expect to play UTOPIA and always win or gain. Despite being the greatest victim from the start, you had your justice already. Now you demand some more just because you felt you lose the advantage and someone has to go down with you?

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Originally Posted by Palem

The ability to crown.

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We had that ability and a lot better chance at it before ama deal broke.

Elit, so pyro I guess didnt only gain acres of you. They also gained the opportunity to crown from it cause ama got stopped from beeing 200K+ acres?

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

You post logs that suggest everybody besides pyro wanted to push for 25 greens in ama when you know very well that that wasnt the case. Everybody wants (still does) another solution.

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For get deal its need to work good for both sides. Its only way to expect ppl keep his deal. What i proposed was deal i can accept but you all want to ""show me who is the boss there". You are doing same mistake for second time.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

Elit, so pyro I guess didnt only gain acres of you. They also gained the opportunity to crown from it cause ama got stopped from beeing 200K+ acres?

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Its true too. Good we can agree for one :)

Again, im put all blame on your kd for try "secure" his win with push us hard. If you did extend cf with us when we talked with zauper we will have wared pyro. WE still had chances for win after razes on cows. If we win war vs them its was win/win for us dont matter how our war end with Havoc. This guaranteed AMA to give his best vs Pyro and Pyro give his best vs ama. This working best for Havoc too and all Server had chances to see great wars. Your lack confident you can win in fair run put us all there.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

We had that ability and a lot better chance at it before ama deal broke.

Elit, so pyro I guess didnt only gain acres of you. They also gained the opportunity to crown from it cause ama got stopped from beeing 200K+ acres?

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Your thread of waging a war with AMA cost you this painful event, and if AMA or PYRO were to war somehow after CF expired, you threatened you might consider a 2v1 situation with AMA because YOU DID WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO for a crown, and what you would do is not fair play, total bs.