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Top KD 1 Cats Top KD 2 inso. I didn't miss any :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Peto
Edit. Its amazing how ppl can ask so stupid question. You saw clear your kd mate post about cats vs inso war summary and my reply to it and still ask me are i missed you are in war with inso not bio? Sure your place are in silly cat !
Elit: He means that neither we nor inso are top kd's :) We're just a cute ghetto and inso is a sad ghetto.
I think same...but you both are in top 10 land. Its make you top kd ! Hope you can live with it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
elit is styling on everyone in here, including me.
the problem is your under the assumption this is 1v1 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
RIP kittie good thing you got 9 lives
I'm confused, why did BIO let this be a 1v1 for 36 hours before they started to RK? If they were gonna interfere, why not do it right away. Oh well, good thing kitties has 9 lives like fwordz said =)
Isn't that obvious? Inso was about to lose and that would have been to embarrassing =)Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddybearSTHLM
Cause we're jus' bein sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by TeddybearSTHLM
*huggles*
yay for top KD's respecting 1v1 play. So glad that they all follow this load of garbage that they try to spew at the rest of the server.
w00t.
do what I say, not what I do..... yeah.
Super lame.
Weird, and I thought this whole thing was about not being able fight someone without having someone 1/3 of our size robbing us at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
The point of course being is its annoying, so we wished it would stop and it didn't.
If you can make a reasonable argument as to why you support 1 on 1 play and also support a kingdom to be able to op without ever stopping a kingdom 3 times your size without anything they can do to retaliate, I'd like to hear it. You either want kingdoms to fight 1 on 1 people your own size or you don't.
It wasn't stopping from asking, and it might not stop from this, but we tried asking for four months. Maybe hitting for 4 months will do the trick.
My understanding is they robbed from you in hostile and did it a lot etc for a period of time (though if I recall from the postings it was not four months, but I was not involved so maybe it was.)
beat on them all you want in hostiles and so on. but RKing them in war crosses a line. Were they stealing from BiO or RKing BiO while BiO was in war?
If you ask for it to stop for four months and it doesn't what is your proposed method of dealing with it, keep asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
We want to have fun with kingdoms our own size and their actions prevent that.
They want to have fun wars with kingdoms their own size, our only way of preventing that is preventing that from having fun in war.
Note that if the situations were reversed and the kingdom 3x the size of the smaller kingdom had the advantage in opping them and not stopping, 95% of the server would be screaming bloody murder and the rules would be changed.
So again I ask, If you believe in 1 on 1 play, presumably you think that 1 on 1 play should be between kingdoms of a similar size. So how can someone believe in 1 on 1 play and also believe that kingdoms 3x smaller or larger should be able to do whatever they want vs a kingdom so far out of their range and never stop?
when you RK into a war, you cross a line.
the second point you raise has little to do with that.
whatever they want? hardly. You just were not creative enough or willing to sacrifice last age to do what you needed to. You made a decision to stick with your other plans and let cats go. Don't come crying to me because you did not want to slow your growth to deal with cats last age. You could have serially PK'd each of them last age in hostile since no one could declare. You just did not want to take the time to do it. Now you are using that as an excuse to be petty this age.
again, RK into war crosses a line to me. I find that conduct unacceptable (not that anyone in BiO cares or even knows who I am).
Opping me for 3 months without stopping crosses a line to me. Asking them to stop didn't stop it. This probably won't either, but ruin my kingdommates fun with your actions and I'll ruin your kingdommates fun. And yes, I fully believe that if you're unreasonable with me I'll be 10x as unreasonable to you back.
Meh... just raze us back next time :)
Its not really about that though. if the smaller kds had to sit on low drafts and high amounts of gc piled it would get stolen though? Ghetto cats are just being a rogue kd and does what they want, cause they are having fun. And now you're giving them exactly what they want, drama and fun. Do you really think they care about charts. I personally sincerly doubt they dont give rats about WW chart as its quite the joke.
Imo you're just giving them all the more reason to take your gold in the future and ghetto cats has this age effectivly locked down entire anti abs(this ofc is a huge problem in itself and is the result of the imbalance of the value of cold hard cash/sci)
Telling them to not take your gold in a rude manner only gives them all the more reason to take it. I think the smartest thing you could have done from a diplomatic standpoint is to just be polite and make sure they know when you're going into hostilities and not to steal the gc.
Looks to me that abs who is ignoring the cat are far better off then anti abs?
Kinda funny though, should just have saved face and GBed from the start^^ Would love to see some announcements of what each side is trying to achive with this.
If I were involved I would, but as I am not, I probably won't. But this does certainly change my opinion and outlook towards BiO....
An eye for An Eye makes the world go Blind.
Diplomacy didn't work. I've asked them on 2 occasions this age to stop stealing our gc, that we had noticed KD's. I was very polite, to the point I even said "When we aren't hostile, or going into hostile, then by all means, steal all you want"... I got the generic "All top 20 KD's want cf's, if we cf you, we have to cf them". And when we weren't hostile, they stole, and I never said a word. Just told our players to up tpa and don't sit on gc.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanness
The bottom line is... until the developers stop letting the small kd's bully the big kd's, there are going to be ghettos who spend their entire age ruining the top KD's. Raze killing them won't help, I fear. And in truth, they may well bring this game to a level that we haven't seen in years. Next age, instead of 10 fighting for nw, you'll have 2 KD's fighting for nw, all the rest will be in FSU mode, as BiO does better than any KD I know. Last age, you honestly expected BiO to give up a chance to crown just to take out a few pests? Then you have never aimed for the top.
I have said, since the start of this age, The Developers set out with a msg of "The big KD's can't bully the small, but its perfectly alright for the small kd's to bully the big ones while the bigs hands are tied behind their backs".
If you want to stay small, I'm all for it. The 10 mil KD's have a helluva lot more fun that the top 10 KD's have. But pick on someone your own size, someone who the game doesn't handicap from fighting back. You want 1 on 1, I want 1 on 1 same size fights. Let the top fight the top, you fight KD's your own size. You want to fight the top 10 KD's, then you grow to size and fight them on level ground. Don't hide behind a relative NW that protects you from getting the ass kicking you so rightly deserve.
They're having fun and ruining the fun of my kingdommates.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanness
I suppose I'm banking on the fact that they enjoy warring, and threatening to take that fun away. If all they like to do is mess with people then yes, it will be hard to defeat them.
Regarding abs - abs and I were in talks to do this last age and they decided it best to copy my logs and post them so that they'd CF them and focus on us, so here we are.
I want to have kygals babies +1Quote:
Originally Posted by KyGal
idk, i think vulturing up should be possible just as vulturing down. Just like how it is now. I can farm gold from tiny kds when i've been chained heavily without problem. If you remove the ability to bully kds out of your range, then you remove the ability to random/rob kds between wars and i dont think its in the best interest of the game to turn this into farmville.
At the lower tiers, having huge piles is rarely an issue going into wars since they swiftly gets randomed away and most of the time both kds going into war are fairly broke. I think a system where amount of gold piled wins more wars then actual strategy is a bad system that needs to be fixed, this is what allows smaller kds to bully and change the outcome of fights by stealing one sides gc.
I apologize for my comment of me implying you hadn't tried diplomacy, it was insensitive and ignorant of me. As I have no idea what has happend on either side. All i know is there's some good people in ghetto cats and i sincerly doubt they'd intentionally mess with peoples hostiles without good reason.
Well if Cats think its perfectly fine to rob the top pre-hostile or hit INSO with active hostile then it is perfectly fine for BiO to raze kill into cat's war.
None of them break the rules..but it is not morally right or fair play.
You dont get the same treatment if you treat people like **** in the first place. If they want to mess with people then get to their size and PUSH THE BUTTON.
Hiding behind networth protection and playing Retal wars to block people is not fun.
This is how cat play..
1- Pump
2- Pump more
3- Pump more and more
4- Rob top kingdoms and pump more
5- Wave someone unprepared.
6- Win war
7- Pump more ..
8- Pump more and more
9- Rob top kingdoms
10- Wave someone
Hard to really beleive anything of this when you start off with a lie/= Inso screwed up and accepted CF too soon and payed for it dearly. Really would like to know how you can keep claiming you're in an active hostile with a kd you're also in CF with? Idk really if i think robbing people prehostile deserves a GB, but each to his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCP
Anyway, would also like to add that its a common strategy used by lower tier kds going into war without proper gold stacks having a button to push to just rob the t10 real quick before pushing. I still dont think its a problem really to be able to rob up like that even if its undisputably lame. Its just a result from top kds always sitting on so much gold which is a result of a horrible sci system where people intentionally sits on undrafted provinces since money is king.
Anyway, its 7 am, and im sobering up. So i'll leave you big boys alone see ya next time im drunk perhaps. If there's some cool drama going on=)
oh and cheers for replies.
If small KD stay in news for so long in big kd there is only one option for them to return= raze pk. Its same past 40+ ages. If cats don't like to be razed better don't make same again. If you like what going now give next age bigger kds reason to pk you again.
so is that why Cats dont CF anyone? Waiting for people to make mistake and take advantage of it? Oh i see now..
My guess would be that they wanted to see if Inso could pwn us after all the help they got softening us up, and then they saw that that would not happen so the razes are to help Inso get a "win" :)
BIO crowned last age, so the gold from them must have hurt so very much, right? LOL
This is not at all about the gold we stole last age, this is about their hurt egos.
We was not in awe of them, we were not scared of the "elite", we didn't back down when they tried to bully.
This hurt their egos so much that they had to have a special anti cats setup this age, and when they failed the crown race they blamed it on us and pretended that they didn't even tried to crown this age :)
And about the change in war declaration range, that just gives the smaller KDs less defence aginst the larger KDs, last age we could push button on a KD if they had started to raze us. We would not have won but that KD would have been out of the crown race. Something like mutual assured destruction.
Some KDs understood this and some did instead try to bully and threaten.
I hope the top learns and adapt to the new environment, I hope they will have less gold, higher drafts and more tpa, and those that don't adapt will have a disadvantage.
You should thank us for making your boring (was it 80% of the age you said?) growing a little more challenging.
I wish you all fun in a more competitive and fun environment with more action and less whining.
@LCP
Wave someone unprepared, yeah right we only war those that are defensless, we are also so evil that we push buttons when waved even if the KD waving didn't think we would dare.
We don't notice 48 h before we wave, is it that you mean?
Want war terms also? And maybe use warforum to debate about who has gotten most acres and trying to convince people that yes there is something called pool gains.
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Just deleted my accurate description of BIO's skills and maturity level. Good luck crowning again as long as I play Utopia
Problem is not BIO. Look like you did same to HoH. If they was free now most possible they will raze you too. Its same for ABS. If you want to pis off bigger/stronger kds make sure you are strong enough to fight them or you will be razed for sure.
Your right Elit BIO weren't the ones bragging about stealing from cats and then going special Olympics on them after they failed this age. Too bad BIO didn't think about their chances of doing well after messing with a kd like cats in an actual war. I mean BIO isn't touchable in their 3 week notice period but hitting cats during a war with a kd like Inso is totally chill. Bananas you wonder why people think your special Elit
Don't be mad on me. I'm not razing Cats right now. I had much fun to read all for you last few weeks and its was clear for me you will end razed/banged. Cats is not first not last kd in same situation. Do you think top honor kds/ provinces was happy when some one raze/pk them for change chart?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephyistoo
If you got razed banged for something, and you see all kds who don't like each other have same view about you, there is only 1 solution. Don't make same again or you will end same way.
I have noting vs Cats and see you razed don't make me happy...only hit proteus can make me happy :P
GhettoCats why dont u guys come oop top 10 next age...and put BiO, Inso, OldscHOOl, Simian on your kill list? im pretty sure oop u guys will be same Networth/land to go to war.
Or are you gonna stay low and farm ghetto...then annoy the top with ops and think you're so leet for doing that.
When my old waring ghetto moved to BF i had one from first age problem with top 3-5 KD insomnia. They was strong kd overall but try to bully wrong target. Next age we waved them week 2-3 and complete killed all age for them. Its how you return it to top kds!Quote:
Originally Posted by LCP
Insolence seems to be significantly ahead (15k+) without BiO's raze kills. Can someone please give a summary of how that war is going, since Ghetto Cats is claiming victory? I remember SPGC sitting on about 90k acres when they were waved, and are now at <70k.
iirr we were top 10 most time of the age, our Average Opponent Relative Size = 112%, what ghetto farming are you talking about? :)Quote:
Or are you gonna stay low and farm ghetto...then annoy the top with ops and think you're so leet for doing that.
Yeh im looking forward to it...And see if the ghetto cats can come out winning against top kds