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This thread has just gone from bad to worse :D
Bring it in big man
No hate. But he has ruined the game for many.
An interactive game is only fun when you can interact with people that has a goal of having fun while trying to win. Sure there will be some commotion, thats part of it. However its not fun when you have to deal with players like Bart that has the sole goal of stirring up ****. If you look at his record, its pretty clear that he has no intention of being competitive at all, he just likes to stir the pot and being a manipulator. Once he has achieved that, he stops competing.
Loons could you be a bit more specific about what I personally have done to you other than being a friend of Janek in Jesters? I guess you can also count us vulturing you afterwards, that was a ****ty move I agree and I apologize for it. In retaliation you DBed us and ended our age. That sucked a lot but it's what we simply had to accept I guess. I spoke with Boss/Cappo earlier this age and we agreed to let bygones be bygones.
It is never my intention to ruin the game for people. I'm an entertainer though, and this IS an RPG. I approach it as such, and not an extension of IRL.
Hold the phone batman!!!!! You planted Tom/Benan in FS this age?!?!
I am not sure what do you expect here ?
There is no need to rince and repeat details of degradation of relations between us and how it went down.
Key point is we only ever came after you when we had beef, and its allways been clean. Worst thing you can say about us it to have forced you to accept humiliating CF terms, and even that part was instigated by you leading pr campaign against fs here on forums.
You on the other hand DB us, planted a mole into our KD and have funded number of wars against us by 3rd party KD's. And that is just the part we know about, god knows what else you did.
And you claim your mole was deffensive ? B*** please ...
Acting normal for few weeks and not trying to bully us for no reason does not elevates you moraly, and it most definitelly doesnt absolve you of past deeds and wipes the slate clean.
Man is only as good as his word, and at this point yours is pretty worthless by your own doing.
I dont speak for anyone but myself, but I have long memory.
Saying look at me I am cool now doesn't cut it, especially when its amidst another aired ****play you pulled on random ppl.
Yeah, Bart saw me hitting FS, reveal to me that they are FS and told me not to accept their CF as part of the CF deal.
He even told me to include the term-cannot compete in warring crown if FS wants to CF. OMG.
Just like he mentioned, he is in a position to power play, somemore with BSA backing.
Bart prostrates himself in front of us and you animals still wont let it go. The shame!
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I figure I'd better jump on the moment and take advantage of Bart's good will toward Utopians and all.
Bart of Sparta:
We'd like our 25k acres back from your bully:farming, please.
Where do you play?
What did I do to you or your KD this age/in the past? (only thing I really know is me playing in ur KD in uto rip-off and telling Mat not to merge with ya cus the KD would disband half-age anyways).
I agree that among all KDs you probably have the biggest reason to complain. It's far from a justification, but the reaction was mostly triggered by me doing diplo for Francis, thinking we had a CF but he never really confirmed it (I thought u were our pals since we had helped ya double-crown the age before). I guess that puts me in the same boat as TNB last age vs us.Quote:
I am not sure what do you expect here ?
There is no need to rince and repeat details of degradation of relations between us and how it went down.
Key point is we only ever came after you when we had beef, and its allways been clean. Worst thing you can say about us it to have forced you to accept humiliating CF terms, and even that part was instigated by you leading pr campaign against fs here on forums.
You on the other hand DB us, planted a mole into our KD and have funded number of wars against us by 3rd party KD's. And that is just the part we know about, god knows what else you did.
And you claim your mole was deffensive ? B*** please ...
Acting normal for few weeks and not trying to bully us for no reason does not elevates you moraly, and it most definitelly doesnt absolve you of past deeds and wipes the slate clean.
Man is only as good as his word, and at this point yours is pretty worthless by your own doing.
I dont speak for anyone but myself, but I have long memory.
Saying look at me I am cool now doesn't cut it, especially when its amidst another aired ****play you pulled on random ppl.
I do agree that my reaction was over the top and cost you dearly that next age. Allowing the mole in your KD is inexcusable however. Let me know what you expect from us (Yume already asked for an EOA CF, it is yours should you want it).
Uuuh, were you dealbroken? I'm sorry Panthira but there are many people I owe apologies, but you're not one of them. You weren't ****played you simply refused diplo. I offered you various ways out time and time again, from the initial offer to offers after 24, 48 hours which were all refused.Quote:
Bart of Sparta:
We'd like our 25k acres back from your bully:farming, please.
My understanding of "Diplo" from Bart is that if we were ahead, we can ask for 150% of his land, and RK for a whole age and it's legitimate, because they refused the offer. Initially, after a day, after a week. Hope you don't leave a war next age with even a single enemy above you.
You broke terms of a deal we made last age on 31st October 2016. You were promptly informed that the terms were broken on 1st December 2016. Under the confidentiality agreement I shall not speak of the deal but you know what I'm talking about !
I am still looking forward to the reparation we agreed on....
I consider 3 weeks of attacks on MY kingdom and razekilling MY people a ****play move, yes. We did nothing but deny your land tax and retaliate hits after you refused to stop insisting we take ever-changing, ever-demanding deals. You were giddy. You loved every second of taking CD down. And it protected your kingdom. You go ahead and act righteous, Bart of Sparta. Your cockiness is not appreciate, nor were your unabated attacks, even into our war, even after we stopped retaliating.
You wronged me, and you wronged my kingdom.
@astron were still in diplo how to solve this issue. How much beer :D?
@Panthira u leave out the context as to why. If you refuse to perform diplo nothing will happen. Soon as u were prepared to we immediately CFed.
@bananamancer my initial ask was 10%, which was increased to 15% when we had to wave and train up for the land.
Is Spartan taking a break this age? Might as well give out the acres...then you will realize how many fans you have
I diplo'd, many people diplo'd. Here you are trying to look good again.
Even your own people tried to diplo for YOU.
10-01-2017 01:43 #358
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Sender King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject Re:Yo
CR can notice us in 2 days. We can pay them 4K land to renew CF until YR10. Emeriti is Feb YR5 and will rape Pandas. WSK/BB are secure. Honestly don't know what you're hoping for.
9 minutes left.
> The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: > > > Shai is not here. You've hit this tick already. You are in a rush. What's the hurry, big kingdom King o'mighty? > > I think you can give us hours if we need it. You are a grown up and don't need instant gratification like a child? No, I think you can wait. You given me plenty of time to think. > >> King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans) said: >> >>
I am very much unwilling to, but he convinced me to do it. I'm giving him/you until 30 past this hour to do so.
>> >> > The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: >> > >> > You just attacked again. How is that CF? It is relevant to me. I'm sure you'd want to know who is stepping in for you. >> > >> > Hint: beating on a tiny kd for BS excuses for 9 days is not "having a heart" or making friends. >> > >> > As far as CF, It's 3am. I need to talk to shai. He should be around soon. In the meantime, at least pretend you want a cf and stop hitting.
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Sender King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject Re:Yo
I'm in charge of diplo in this conflict. You can either pay 6K land for an EOA CF ((On top of the land he already waved for!!)), or the terms are as follows:
1. CD does not pay acres to Sparta or any other KD in the top 10.
2. CD tags up "don't fcuk with Sparta" until EOA.
3. Sparta will get a one-sided option to give a 48-hour notice to CD.
4. CD will not grow bigger than 60% of Sparta's size.
> The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: > > Your terms are 45% of our land. That is unheard of and ridiculous! Let Matija handle this. At least he was reasonable and had class. You are ruining your players round harping on my kd. > >> King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans) said: >> >> It doesn't really matter which person you send to do diplo, the only thing that will change the situation are concrete terms. I'm not up for any more diplo as in "talking about what might be a possible solution". You have my terms, up to you to accept or not.
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Matija and I had worked this out and we were just about to agree, when Bart stepped in and said NO.
Sender The Wise Lord Matija of Spartan of Redeeming Qualities (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject yo
Interested in an EoACF? Then we can put this to rest. I was thinking we take a bit land on our bottom humans without retals and we call it quits for the age.
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I agreed, Matija wrote back and said Bart refused.
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No, initial offer was 15, raised to 20. You waved into full fort targeting top honor, not land. We offered the first wave free, to CF and go. If you waved us out of fort, going max gains, you without a single doubt could have gotten your 10 or even 15%. This is ****play. You are a ****player.
You admit yourself you waved not even trained up, that somehow that entitles YOU TO MORE!? **** You.
This was not a failure of diplomacy, this was deliberately antagonizing and attempting to break up a kingdom. My kingdom.
You asked for the equivalent of 4 waves(3-4% is what you got first wave). All this at a starting point of over 135% our NW, quickly raising past 150%. To the point where only your bottom few humans could even take land, then you asked for a further 25% after taking more than what you initially asked AND having already razekilled. Followed was 2+ weeks including over 1000razes even into a war.
Where's the line? Why CAN'T someone ask a smaller kd for 100% of their land? Simply say they failed to diplo and hit them forever? There's no line in Utopia, it's a broken system full of people who don't care. You don't care Bart. The people playing their charts don't care. CF and ignore.
Ridiculous deals....Filthy Spartans. So ironic. You aren't competing. Why restrict how Panthira kingdom should be run. Crazy. And how high and mighty you are, sitting at 5th spot, using your size to show your graciousness in offering FS an eoacf. joker.
I dont have my logs here with me bit will post when home. Panthira being selective again. I made the earlier post to actually address people we wronged, not sure why Panthira still thinks thats the case.
Far as I know initial offer on IRC was 10% (standard procedure between tons of kds). increased to 15% after wave and 20% a few hours later (that last one was part of the diplo game). I made many offers later on including 4-5 hits for cf and more. But as said will dig up the logs when home. Matija does not do diplo for Sparta, I do.
Let me share with you what a kingdom mate just told me. This is why I am vehement this has to stop, and Bart you are accountable:
"He made me hate uto for the only time"
See, it barks immediately....
I'm not an it.
#LetsJustGangBangSparta
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