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24-02-2014, 00:40
IrGr8Nublet

I dont know if this was asked earlier but how does CR plan to reward the other kds who helped with the gb? They have obviously lost a significant amount of troops which could be rewarded with some plunders or thefts. But what about the time lost that would have gone to whoring or exploring? Will CR reward them with a set of specific acres? After all you would have never engaged ama or even come close to winning without them. Shouldnt they be able to bask in the war spoils as well? Is that not fair atleast to your fellow alliance members?
24-02-2014, 00:43
Crunch

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Originally Posted by IrGr8Nublet

I dont know if this was asked earlier but how does CR plan to reward the other kds who helped with the gb? They have obviously lost a significant amount of troops which could be rewarded with some plunders or thefts. But what about the time lost that would have gone to whoring or exploring? Will CR reward them with a set of specific acres? After all you would have never engaged ama or even come close to winning without them. Shouldnt they be able to bask in the war spoils as well? Is that not fair atleast to your fellow alliance members?

they probably will get some cf deals or lower tax deals.... what a dirty bunch of ****players under the cloak of fair play
24-02-2014, 00:46
Randomness

@Anri from my interpretation from the particular situation we are discussing, I arrived at a different conclusion then you.
@American Badass I agree with you that the KD that has lost the most is Havoc. I think that the most fair thing to do is to restore Havoc to the point they were before the deal break and all other KDs are in a freeze, so no acres gained (only GBed KD losing acres). Also, it is a valid statement you make on RBL and I do not have enough information to be able to dispute this point with you.
24-02-2014, 00:46
IrGr8Nublet

That doesnt sound very fair to me...
24-02-2014, 00:50
American Badass

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Originally Posted by IrGr8Nublet

I dont know if this was asked earlier but how does CR plan to reward the other kds who helped with the gb? They have obviously lost a significant amount of troops which could be rewarded with some plunders or thefts. But what about the time lost that would have gone to whoring or exploring? Will CR reward them with a set of specific acres? After all you would have never engaged ama or even come close to winning without them. Shouldnt they be able to bask in the war spoils as well? Is that not fair atleast to your fellow alliance members?

We are doing this for the good of the game. Havoc has only promised that they'll be in this until the end and CFs with all kds involved get given from AMA. We wanted to see Havoc vs Pyro happen and even though Pyro abandoned us, I hope it still can happen so that a crown can regain "some" credibility.

Rage will not gain from this and those participating will probably get noticed and waved by the kingdoms not GBing. Life goes on but a GB HAD to happen due to the dealbreak.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

they probably will get some cf deals or lower tax deals.... what a dirty bunch of ****players under the cloak of fair play

We got tax relief :D
24-02-2014, 00:52
Randomness

Well if you don't want to affect charts then every thing should be as it was. Only thing that changes is that the KD which broke the rules is removed from the race.
24-02-2014, 00:53
American Badass

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Originally Posted by Randomness

@Anri from my interpretation from the particular situation we are discussing, I arrived at a different conclusion then you.
@American Badass I agree with you that the KD that has lost the most is Havoc. I think that the most fair thing to do is to restore Havoc to the point they were before the deal break and all other KDs are in a freeze, so no acres gained (only GBed KD losing acres). Also, it is a valid statement you make on RBL and I do not have enough information to be able to dispute this point with you.

The main thing they lost is time and chance to earn a crown with no dirt associated too it. People will refer back to this GB and AMA's dealbreak and not how Havoc would of won (70-80% chance they would have in their position).
24-02-2014, 00:55
American Badass

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Originally Posted by Randomness

Well if you don't want to affect charts then every thing should be as it was. Only thing that changes is that the KD which broke the rules is removed from the race.

Agreed. It is not this simple though as cow acres are worth a LOT more than "core" acres.

- Pyro actually managed to gain cow acres + top core acres that they would NEVER have got whoring
- Havoc lost cow acres which they should NOT have lost had AMA not dealbroken and caught them unprepared

So for this to be fair, Havoc needs their crown acres back and Pyro needs to raze cow acres.

I still believe Havoc is willing to fight Pyro regardless of this but yeah, Pyro is in a better position than they were before this happened.
24-02-2014, 00:56
Randomness

@American Badass: Yes, that is true. But if all other KDs involved in the GB would only raze and Havoc + all these KDs would be at the same acres as they were before the GB would their chances not be the same?

Edit: I posted this before your other response. That is true. I guess the best situation would have been for Pyro to only raze. As for Havoc getting their cow acres back, this is tricky you are right. Fair thing would be for Pyro to remove the acres they gained. I do not have an answer for how Havoc can regain their cow acres though. Could they gain it from pyro?
24-02-2014, 00:57
Elit

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Do you know what we PM them? That all deals you make you do not try and get cleared relations to them. We have said to each and every king that they have not been mentioned once and they should msg you to start being included in negotiation talks as you most likely have no problems leaving them behind.

All and every deal we make will include EACH kingdom that is contributing.

MSG you send to kds dont support your BS GB and raze rage:

1 of your provinces is razing our ally while he is in war. You probably didnt order this, but in the end as monarch your responsible for your KD's actions.
If you offer 6:3 and us a CF ingame we can end this matter before it turns ugly. If needed I will order my KD to raze you, but I rather just get ingame CF's to stop that 1 prov from sending out.
So, I will wait for you or your steward to read this message. If I see CF offers after that I will instruct 6:3 to accept it and we can all move on.
Without a CF offer though, my KD has no choice but to start razing aswell.
24-02-2014, 00:58
Elit

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Originally Posted by American Badass

So for this to be fair, Havoc needs their crown acres back and Pyro needs to raze cow acres.

I still believe Havoc is willing to fight Pyro regardless of this but yeah, Pyro is in a better position than they were before this happened.

AMA need his acres back to to be fair...
24-02-2014, 00:59
American Badass

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Originally Posted by Randomness

@American Badass: Yes, that is true. But if all other KDs involved in the GB would only raze and Havoc + all these KDs would be at the same acres as they were before the GB would their chances not be the same?

It is up to pyro if they want to do anything and gain from this whole situation and possibly crown unfairly.
24-02-2014, 01:02
American Badass

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Originally Posted by Elit

MSG you send to kds dont support your BS GB and raze rage:

1 of your provinces is razing our ally while he is in war. You probably didnt order this, but in the end as monarch your responsible for your KD's actions.
If you offer 6:3 and us a CF ingame we can end this matter before it turns ugly. If needed I will order my KD to raze you, but I rather just get ingame CF's to stop that 1 prov from sending out.
So, I will wait for you or your steward to read this message. If I see CF offers after that I will instruct 6:3 to accept it and we can all move on.
Without a CF offer though, my KD has no choice but to start razing aswell.

We received a CF and moved on. They obviously did not want the future relations so could not have believed in your cause that much?

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Originally Posted by Elit

AMA need his acres back to to be fair...

You need to raze those cow acres first buddy but that will be done soon for you.
24-02-2014, 01:03
Elit

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Originally Posted by American Badass

You need to raze those cow acres first buddy but that will be done soon for you.

Dont worry. We will raze some cow acres soon too :)
24-02-2014, 01:04
American Badass

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Originally Posted by Elit

Dont worry. We will raze some cow acres soon too :)

Maybe we can both raze down and go for the WW crown!

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