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08-06-2016, 16:02
Proteus

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Originally Posted by Anri

Maybe a way of taxing always been there but there is a clear difference to it since in the past the smaller kd could actually hostile the bigger KD forever and drag them down in various ways, making sure it was not worth for the bigger KD to try and tax/bully the smaller one. Trying to take land was a lot more risky then it is now. Today you can just push the meter until they are faced with war or farmout and in war they still farm out and give WW bonus at the very least. Its win win for the bigger KD and in the past it was not like this. Plus i dont think the current gains system is working at all.

Are you bringing anything good to the table? Or just here to troll matija?

Past mechanics allowed smaller kingdoms to retal war forever which was also broken. Back when the game was more organized it was easy to abuse as a smaller kingdom with ex-players from a SKD could wave the competition and effectively block for them with no way to get rid of the pest other than taking weeks to raze kill. This is imbalanced to favor the smaller kingdom and is easy to abuse.

Utopia is meant to be a warring game. Whether people war or not depends on diplomacy. As you well know we have not attempted to force war on any smaller kingdoms and have always taken the diplomatic route.
08-06-2016, 16:03
citadela01

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Originally Posted by Proteus

None of the things you mention happened by Y3 when our cf was expiring, I was planning on engaging you guys but your leadership proactively reached out to offer us acres to extend the cf. We all start at 400a buddy, I don't know what your excuse was Y3 considering everyone was at the same level of preparedness. This deal we have you now was really a favor to you, had we engaged we would have taken at least 2x the acres but instead offered your leadership flexibility rather than trying to force them into a conflict they can't win. Yet here you are complaining. In this instance your leadership reached out to us proactively as well, we did not ask to make a cf, you guys did. Perhaps this is something you need to discuss internally rather than making these QQ posts on the forums.

Kinda interesting how you made the decisions that you did yet you are not complaining. Didn't realize the rest of the server needs to accommodate you when you want to compete and bend over backwards to give you what you want.

Nobody from FS is complaining here. We barely took part in this thread at all, an in no instance did we complain.

We were ready to war you guys if u gave us 4 days to stock up some golds and you said no.
As I said earlier its your choice and your purogative to do so, we opted to give free land rather than to fight unwinnable fight.

We as a KD are fine with deal you gave us, dont confuse trolls slinging mud at FS with our actual stance on the matter.

also #payKuhan
08-06-2016, 16:04
Rizen

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Your sense of humor is throwing out insults at me, that is your excuse for doing it at least, that is pretty much the definition of trolling.

Im not throwing insults.
Im encouraging you to see the sunlight and get laid.

Hows that negative? I believe in you little buddy, you can do it.
08-06-2016, 16:07
MyNameIsMatija

If you want to joke about something go outside there's plenty of people you can troll there, not so tough out in the real World though, huh?
I came here to discuss Utopia, I have no interest in laughing together with you since your sense of humor relies entirely on laughing AT someone, not WITH them.
08-06-2016, 16:10
Rizen

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

If you want to joke about something go outside there's plenty of people you can troll there, not so tough out in the real World though, huh?
I came here to discuss Utopia, I have no interest in laughing together with you since your sense of humor relies entirely on laughing AT someone, not WITH them.

I work from home.
I'm still just as big of an asshole in the real world bud.
Your not discussing anything, your complaining about FaygStyle and *****Blood being taxed.
08-06-2016, 16:10
Bart of Sparta

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Originally Posted by citadela01

also #payKuhan

So why doesn't Proteus just pay up? Seems to be a fairly easy way to make this paykuhan stuff to stop?
08-06-2016, 16:15
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Rizen

I work from home.
I'm still just as big of an asshole in the real world bud.
Your not discussing anything, your complaining about FaygStyle and *****Blood being taxed.

What is that code for unemployed? :D
I'm not laughing yet, it's just taking something and trying to throw shade over it.
If you talked to people the way you do here you'd probably get smacked in the face so don't give me that. Anyone who had any standing in real life wouldn't have to seek it through a gaming forum trying to insult people.
08-06-2016, 16:23
Rizen

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

What is that code for unemployed? :D
I'm not laughing yet, it's just taking something and trying to throw shade over it.
If you talked to people the way you do here you'd probably get smacked in the face so don't give me that. Anyone who had any standing in real life wouldn't have to seek it through a gaming forum trying to insult people.

Im a draftsmen, I work mainly form my house darling. Far from unemployed.
Lol "smacked in the face" Here comes in the internet tough guy. Retreat to your basement with your mother, sweat pants and your brazzers account.

Lmao
08-06-2016, 16:27
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Rizen

Im a draftsmen, I work mainly form my house darling. Far from unemployed.
Lol "smacked in the face" Here comes in the internet tough guy. Retreat to your basement with your mother, sweat pants and your brazzers account.

Lmao

The unemployed bit was just a joke man, does your senze of humer iz bad? Don't you get a joke, iz just a joke men.
I'm just saying what would happen in real life, this doesn't make me a "tough guy", it's what happens when you run your mouth without the protection of internet anonymity.
08-06-2016, 16:28
Rizen

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

The unemployed bit was just a joke man, does your senze of humer iz bad? Don't you get a joke, iz just a joke men.
I'm just saying what would happen in real life, this doesn't make me a "tough guy", it's what happens when you run your mouth without the protection of internet anonymity.

I dont think I need internet anonymity darling.
<3
08-06-2016, 16:30
MyNameIsMatija

Yeah I don't really think you do, anyone has the social intelligence not to engage people bigger than yourself in trolling attempts in real life.
08-06-2016, 16:31
Rizen

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Yeah I don't really think you do, anyone has the social intelligence not to engage people bigger than yourself in trolling attempts in real life.

I don't think I need to worry about size my darling.
08-06-2016, 16:31
Palem

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Originally Posted by Rizen

I work from home.
I'm still just as big of an asshole in the real world bud.
Your not discussing anything, your complaining about FaygStyle and *****Blood being taxed.

Come back tomorrow in a little better mood.
08-06-2016, 16:32
Rizen

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Originally Posted by Palem

Come back tomorrow in a little better mood.

Blow me
08-06-2016, 16:34
Anri

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Past mechanics allowed smaller kingdoms to retal war forever which was also broken. Back when the game was more organized it was easy to abuse as a smaller kingdom with ex-players from a SKD could wave the competition and effectively block for them with no way to get rid of the pest other than taking weeks to raze kill. This is imbalanced to favor the smaller kingdom and is easy to abuse.

Utopia is meant to be a warring game. Whether people war or not depends on diplomacy. As you well know we have not attempted to force war on any smaller kingdoms and have always taken the diplomatic route.

Ahh yes, i acted as a blocker vs absalom pretty much every single age back then. I still believe it was way better back then compared to how it is now. The small KDs with skills and knowledge could defend itself and hold its ground better, it often lost land but could still cripple the top KD somewhat. Also you could enter a mintime war and cover your losses very good vs the bigger and stronger KD, you could play it smart and even outgain them by min time. Without the WW bonus the top was less aggressive and greedy for land, they had to fight for it much harder. On top of this if banks ran low def you could nail them hardcore for it, preventing them from pumping on low def. Its just a bunch of things that made the separation between the top and the rest as big as it is today. There is pretty much nothing you can do to defend vs a bigger KD today and that is just VERY bad.
If we were to fix these problems the game would become so much better. But i never seen Bishop really address these problems. And lets not talk about science and explore.... Fix the broken things before doing anything else Bishop....

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