there's nothing i would say that haven't been said. i envy sampuan's patience in dealing with FS' fans. also, none of FS are complaining about 'size is power', just lack of sportsmanship?
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there's nothing i would say that haven't been said. i envy sampuan's patience in dealing with FS' fans. also, none of FS are complaining about 'size is power', just lack of sportsmanship?
If it's the oor orcs razing then ofc they raze. Raze has a base attack time that isn't altered by size diff. For example an 800k orc TMing a 400k faery would give a 20+ hr attack time whereas an 800k orc Razing a 400k TM would give a 12hr attack time. Plus it would destroy alor more land than a TM would take, hence doing a lot more dmg with a lower attack time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Why do they want to raze the TMs? It doesn't give them land/science/honor/gc/runes/bushels.
You cant raze away loss from your kd page ;)
No , but it does lower their defence to make them breakable by In range attackers
Francis maybe I didn't clarify my post proper, I meant to say Pyro should have bounced waved earlier when they were still in position to do so, rather then think it was a war win already.
They could still have won by that time if I was informed correctly, that fact that they became over confident/slacking because of how things looked/dragged, is ofc on them for not closing the bag when they had FS far into it.
Razing is a viable option to lower defence and bring TMs into range for chained core.
Maybe they mistook raze for erase, it does sound kind of similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Meh, people read too much into this. It was a gross across the board failure of basic province management in war (imho). People blindly rebuilding into their same starting builds instead of drifting their builds to adapt to what is happening in the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
I thought it was all obvious what to do, but I guess it was not.
Seems pretty clear that whatever is going on in Pyro is rooted in failed leadership. There are times in war where massacres/razes/learns are the most efficient hit, it just so happens that FS gets to that point much more frequently than other kds. Pyro lost because they didn't know how to adapt or lost the will to fight, that is a leadership failure either way. Now they are bottom feeding out of spite because of their own failures, another failure of leadership.
Any way you look at this, Pyro has gone from a respectable kd to a despicable one. Way to destroy your reputation. How some people are siding with Pyro in this is beyond me.
I play in pyro. I was against the wd in the first place but we did anyway. Next best option is to take the ww resources however we can. No sense in crying about size difference. FS gave us that advantage.
Swagger same way some are siding with FS... Friendship
Sheister I wouldn't know about that, if people didn't manage provs accordingly during war, it falls on leadership to keep them in check though, unless you assume all your players know what they are doing, but even then you should check and make sure either by intel or by asking. - I understand that's not easy when you're tired after 4+ days of war, that's why you assign a vice or a council to take up that mantle.
End of the day FS deserved the win, whether they played to drag or not, turning back on a friendly kd to remove ww resources course you are hurt, by the way FS got their win, seems pretty petty to me.. Don't get me wrong you are in your right to do so, and I can appreciate you WD in favourable position to do just that, but just like I said to Francis in our talks early last age (I think it was), "Just course you can, doesn't mean you have to".
LMAO, you put a big smile on my face.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
who is crying about size difference? you already have that size advantage before we even agreed to war at all, you could claim some resources without losing a war beforehand.. i still dont get what are you guyz up to honestly, i almost feel like you will try to use this to evade some other kd..Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
By the quote it seems he doesn't play in fs though. If size is not an issue we should war again.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7ark
Btw I'm in no way discrediting fs ww. I thought we would still win but others preferred using eowcf mechanics to speed the process of taking some honor and science.
You are not discrediting FS the win in any way but you think Pyro would still win? Great.
Maybe they didn't appreciate your "They would have won with a friendlier attitude" shade that you guys threw at them and then vehemently defended.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Maybe you guys wouldn't be getting razed with a friendly attitude
*shrugs*
It's FS, not "us guys".
Anyway, FS was being friendly until they started getting razed.
or, they have a war deal with another kd, and trying to earn time by pretending this conflict is not over..Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Yes I do think we would have won if we continued to fight. It probably would have taken 1-2 weeks. We wd so you won the war. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Oh but you are not discrediting the win in any way? I don't play in FS btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
no need to argue about how they won the war - despite numbers speaking, such as %15 troop difference melted, peasant count getting close, all pyro ubs getting destroyed one by one etc. - they were definitely winning the war, just like they announced their win on mintime..Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
^Gets itQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
#Taylina
It's possible. I'm merely speculating, but when I try to warn people that their attitude might cause them problems and then bad things start happening, I will take notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
its a fact - they have a war deal with spartans, and it starts on yr9, or 1 week after fs conflict is over.. i wonder if their 'conflict' story will sell though..Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
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No I'm not. We lost the war when we hit the wd button. The reasons for the wd are debatable depending on who you ask. I might be in the minority but i have no problem with fs war tactics and there was no need for our complainers in the war forum. The only thing fs has done that I don't like is complain about us attacking them again. They have 4 ww of science and lots of honor. We want it. This line of thinking that 2 kds just warred so auto cf is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
But FS doesn't think that way. They just thought you are friendly enough to let it go, guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
complaining about getting waved is quite different than complaining about attitude and motives..Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
edit: im pretty sure there are many other 4 ww kds with more honor than us, will you continue to attack them too after us - or you are only attacking us to earn more time for spartans war?
I don't know anyone in fs besides dan7el I think(could be wrong on that but i think he sent a taunt). They're not my friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I don't know anyone in Pyro, I still considered Pyro a friendly KD towards FS, like I said, I was wrong, we all make mistakes, we move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
I am not in FS. Also I did get the JEB! quote. What I am saying is the general only exists for Pyro, because FS don't care about out of war. Also from my experience with them in the past, they only go for honour crown if the opportunity presents themself (It's not something they actually aim for).,Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
The longer pyro hit FS and there is no round 2, the further they will hurt the relationships of the two KDs. These retal wars/one way chaining, tend to end sooner rather than later. Both KDs begin to get bored and utopia becomes a worse game in terms of entertainment. It can even turn into a chore.
I honestly can't answer that because I don't know any of our cf deals. I don't know our kds motives only mine. I haven't looked at these other kds either. Are they all as underpumped as fs? Fs seems to be quickest way to get what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
would you mind explaining how are you farming those resources you mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
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Originally Posted by Palem
FS was being friendly because they didn't want to get razed. Most people saw this coming from a mile away.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
FS won the war, but lost the ability to compete with Pyro. I just don't see why anyone would expect Pyro to stay out.
FS was being friendly because Pyro and FS have been friendly over the ages and probably didn't want to ruin the relations, FS doesn't have anything left to prove this age and most of their players are veterans that you have to kick in the but to even care enough to log in at wave time so I doubt their main motivation is: "Oh God anything but getting razed, lets suck up to Pyro instead."Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonidas
We will take honor by doing traditional marches and science by doing learns.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
And the razing is the most efficient way to take, oh wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
quite smart of you - but id like to hear it in light of what you have been doing since your 'round 2' has started..Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
It's an efficient way for pyros bigs with no range to lower the nw and def of fs provinces to open them up to pyro smaller provinces.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I'm not sure what you're saying there. I see learns and tms in our news.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
Edit that might be a plunder and not a learn. Can't remember what the text says for each in news