I have nothing against you nor do i support your opponents, was speaking in general. Please don't mind me. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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I have nothing against you nor do i support your opponents, was speaking in general. Please don't mind me. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
No need to apologize. In space, all warriors are cold warriors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanka
Thank you. I would rather get back to earth. I hope you find a way to resolve this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
I am sure we will..... next age sometime.
This is honestly my favorite thread in at least 5 ages. It's got such a wonderful mix of stubborn arrogance, dirt bags being dirt bags, and utopian lessons in "this is not how you diplo"
So did we hit you? I believe we haven't made any hit on you since the truce, so no breach has been made. Maybe if you were more proactive with letting the randoms know what's going on in the first place they wouldn't have to ask the enemy monarch to end all this and would have second thoughts on killing you off themselves. Your randoms obviously want to end this and grow, but it seems like you and your cronies are contributing a lot in ruining their gaming experience at this point. How many have defected out so far? FYI, we have zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You understand they have even LESS reason to work out a solution right?
ffs ... we could not hold the bs for hours?
I am at work...so I am clueless as to anything that went on after Bishop and I talked. I will log onto tactic as soon as zI can get home.
Where's the point in doing diplo and playing nice with one another when the alternative is obviously so much better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
There nothing to stop someone from being an dick in the game and seeing as how much fun they get from stroking one other off in the forum its clearly the superior choice.
In the end its a win-win for everyone but those that complain, whine, ***** and moan on the forum.
Like the saying goes: If you can't take the heat, don't stay in the kitchen.
/s or not /s...that is the question.
Why would we care if random provinces defect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
Come on Korp I want to see these messages you're referencing because I know for a fact that I didn't send and "kill list" to anyone So post the proof or STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Not sure where you get that I "wasn't allowed" to do diplomacy either, please again post the proof of this allegation lest we all begin to think you're full of fables and half truths.
Samsung - Fri, 09:30
i was in this chat
Samsung - Fri, 09:30
asking
Samsung - Fri, 09:30
out of curiosity i msged the queen
Samsung - Fri, 09:30
it was a question to the queen
Samsung - Fri, 09:30
in the reply i got, she sent me a kill list
Once again you make things up Korp. Your "nub province" ( I do like how everyone in the game who isn't YOU. is somehow a nub.. but I digress).. didn't message me until AFTER Sheisters last kingdom and your "nub friends" killed you off.. Accuse me one more time of something I have taken no part in and you'll discover how much of a ***** I can really be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Krynn came to you last night and asked for diplo talks.. you and Steel played up like little children and said "It's all up to Bishop" who happens to be a very busy man between looking after this game and no doubt his other responsibilities. If your own kingdom and Sheisters old kingdom start killing you off before Bishop can be online for more than 30 minutes to try and work something out, the responsibility for that lies with the person/people who refused diplo to Krynn and instead childishly handed it all on to Bishop Next time, don't be a **** and maybe that kind of thing won't happen.
But I'm guessing you'll now come back with another load of tripe to suggest why several people that nobody here has even spoken to decided to kill you off is somehow OUR fault
Get them to send you the message. When someone asks me who has been involved in our "conflict" and I send them a list of 5, I don't consider it a "kill list". I never once encouraged them to do anything to assist us.. I never once asked them to hit any of you. I challenge you to prove otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Side note well over 24 hours now since "diplo" started, and Bishop (your appointed diplomat) has been online for a total of about an hour. Do you expect us to sit here for 3 weeks waiting for you guys to get your crap together? I understand that Bishop is a busy man. and as the rest of you are far too childish to man up and talk to Krynn, anything that happens in the interim is entirely your own responsibility.
Random provinces in our kingdom are nub provinces. Don't like it? **** off nobody gives a ****. And no, if you don't desist you're going to learn what we're capable of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Krynn refused to diplo with Korp or myself. We agreed it would be Bishop's turn. Lost & Krynn both seemed to accept this fact. There are several posts in this very thread where Krynn says there will be no diplo on your side of things with Korp or I. You are a two-faced deal breaking *****, and there are public logs, in-game chat, and forum posts to prove it. You are honestly maybe the worst monarch I've ever seen if this is how you conduct yourself.Quote:
Krynn came to you last night and asked for diplo talks.. you and Steel played up like little children and said "It's all up to Bishop" who happens to be a very busy man between looking after this game and no doubt his other responsibilities. If your own kingdom and Sheisters old kingdom start killing you off before Bishop can be online for more than 30 minutes to try and work something out, the responsibility for that lies with the person/people who refused diplo to Krynn and instead childishly handed it all on to Bishop Next time, don't be a **** and maybe that kind of thing won't happen.
That nub had a lot to say about his talk with you. Unless you think some random retarded province made up an elaborate story just for kicks?Quote:
But I'm guessing you'll now come back with another load of tripe to suggest why several people that nobody here has even spoken to decided to kill you off is somehow OUR fault
Samsung - 07:31Quote:
Get them to send you the message. When someone asks me who has been involved in our "conflict" and I send them a list of 5, I don't consider it a "kill list". I never once encouraged them to do anything to assist us.. I never once asked them to hit any of you. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
go ahead and be king if u want and im sure u will end up like love original
Samsung - 07:31
X:x queen has messaged me a kill list
Samsung - 07:31
u r next on their list fyi
He keeps talking and talking I can post most...
Diplomacy takes time. Especially when your negotiator formally refuses to speak to 2/3 of our 'leadership'. You're hilariously ****ing bad at this.Quote:
Side note well over 24 hours now since "diplo" started, and Bishop (your appointed diplomat) has been online for a total of about an hour. Do you expect us to sit here for 3 weeks waiting for you guys to get your crap together? I understand that Bishop is a busy man. and as the rest of you are far too childish to man up and talk to Krynn, anything that happens in the interim is entirely your own responsibility.
15:37 bishop samsung decided to post that we shoudl kill you off so you cant respewn
15:38 bishop so i need to get monarcy to reinvite you
15:38 korp Im about to recreate?
15:38 samsung that wasnt my intention
15:38 samsung it was from abi
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15:54 samsung You will notice we have actually razed several provinces down to the 100 acre mark as they are part of a group that has been threatening to raze int our wars. If you choose to remove their last 100 acres, we would be more than happy to count you among our friends and would happily CF you for whatever period was required
15:55 korp the whole msgs with sender recipent etc.
15:55 korp -s
15:55 korp .delprov love original
15:57 samsung Inbox Compose Sent Trash Game Date March 17 of YR7 Real Date Fri, 30 Sep at 10:17 GMT+00:00 Sender Queen Abigail the Blessed of Dungeon Diva (D:D) Recipient Lord Samsung the Skeptic of Samsung (R:oO) Subject Re:Mutual Agreement Pact The ones who have been involved against us are as follows. Love Original, Ops ops ops IvannaBlikeOctoPls Hmmm In The Lan
15:57 korp Ty
No. that clears things up... thanks for taking the time out to deal with my "hard of hearing". I'll re-read things but I tentatively ask for you to pardon my misunderstanding.
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Originally Posted by Kestrel038
wow, all I can say is "meh"
So, by your own admission, you CF'd the kingdom I was in rather than deal with me and you got what you were asking for. You razed me 3x and then CF'd to "show me" how things get done. I just returned the favor to teach you that you should not take people lightly or be an arrogant prick as you stated with absolute certainty that I had no right to do diplomacy or that I was in any position to threaten your kingdom. Once again, you were wrong, you are wrong, you will continue to be wrong because you are myopic in the extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Bye steel, see you in 3 days.
Have you been pulled from talks. I have not been. As of this moment I still have the backing of the team on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Korp - 17:51Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
I once had relations with a dolphin
Korp - 17:51
His name was flipper
Korp - 17:51
Can't say he was much of a talker but the pool parties were fun.
Oh wow.. look I have proof that Korp sleeps with Dolphins... NOT!
Post a screenshot of these messages I've sent saying they should kill you off and here's a kill list. If you cannot post anything more than a log that could easily be fabricated before posting then you have NO evidence whatsoever of your claims.
And as for the Diplo, it was made ABSOLUTELY clear to you and Korp by ME last night that Krynn was prepared to speak to both you and Korp, but you both jumped up like little kids saying "oooh he doesn't want to talk to us, you'll have to wait for Bishop"
Just to clarify. Samsung messaged me asking for help in killing Korp as he already had votes and wanted monarchy. (I think he even tried to offer a FW arrangement in return for the help.. maybe he really IS a nub... but anyway). I explained that we had killed korp several times and he kept respawning. I informed Samsung how the mechanics work and what it would take to remove him. I also explained that he had several friends in the kingdom who would likely try to get him back/cause trouble. (Obviously I didn't even give the war offer a mention).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Samsung messages me back asking who his friends were. I replied saying. "The ones who have been involved against us are as follows...
At no point did I offer, agree or suggest any collusion, I simply answered his questions to the best of my ability.
Now... some might say.. that a previously inactive province. sat on millions of gc.. suddenly coming alive and getting in touch with an "attractive proposal" in exchange for a FW, MIGHT possibly be an attempt by someone in RoO to get me to break the rules.. perhaps set Samsung up as Monarch, get me to agree to FW. then get us both deleted but of course.. I'm not cynical enough to think that
I am cynical enough to think that someone suggested he message me so that they had an excuse to cancel the ongoing talks and stir things up again. Seems strange that whilst he was apparently plotting your downfall and eradication from the kingdom, he was still sending aid to your chums.. and sat conversing with you in IRC..
You tell me where the real collusion is taking place.
I can assist in confirming exactly what you sent, just say the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
See PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
Thank you to those of you from top 10 that posted your experiences. I am astonished that some of you find nearly every war a raze happens. As far as 'police action' goes though you could raze outside of war, I don't really see a reason why that needs to be offered up as a reason to be able to keep raze into war.
I'm still with Noobium on the war and razing issue.
My sympathies really are with DD, I've read what you posted Sheister and I still feel that the amount of griefing you went in for before you went to OOR was really totally unreasonable, kd hopping to do it shows that you were playing solo, your old kingdom joining in razing you now (assuming that's true) speaks volumes cos they are also clearly mad at you, and so I understand why DD are really upset and mad.
Though I think DD would have done themselves favours if they'd accepted your message that you were done with it once you moved to OOR, I can understand why they would think you were just screwing with their minds now as well as their wars, so didn't believe you, it's pretty understandable.
I don't blame DD's leadership either even if she did give out a kill list, though I think she perhaps doesn't understand that it wouldn't resolve her particular problem with threats of raze into war long term.
However, given that I'm sympathetic and even that I fully appreciate the rage, hate, total frustration and carpet chomping level of anger that DD leadership is probably experiencing, I am finding it hard to be fully sympathetic with you Kestrel.
When you talk about a third party being 'hard of hearing'' (bearing in mind this thread is 32 pages long and a lot of back and forth, and differing perspectives have been posted) and then shout out Pilz and Korp not wanting to diplo with you when it was at DD's own request that this was handed to Bishop, it really does not help your cause one iota.
IMO you really would serve your own purpose better by dialling back the hate, if you can't do that you would be better not to post.
I'm not going to get into logs and messages because I think no third party has a chance of knowing who to believe on that, to be frank. But if a kill order was sent out - it's up to the provinces in that kingdom whether they do it or not, isn't it? It's just that it doesn't really help so kinda anti productive.
(You nublets in ROO, I hope you are looking after any actual new players, please please please get them to defect into a kd that will give them a chance to actually play and has game play goals, don't let them just go inactive or fester in a corner, or play at FSU when they've not even experienced the real addictive game)
I've seen a very apt quote from Madchess in another thread
I belive if you get to that point (razing) with 3 seperate kingdoms witin half an age there is seriously something wrong with the way you do things, it was not because those 3 kingdoms got mean towards you.
Of course if you count the provs in their own kd that are razing, that's 4 kds razing you guys, not even 3....
I'll be razing into DD's future wars as well. I haven't had a province in I don't know how many ages now, but their actions here make it very clear that I must return. If you come to my home (the forums) and chit all over the place I am going to come to your house (in game) and piss all over the rug (no matter how much it ties the room together). I will also take Sweetiepie's loc in PM, thanks.
You'll be lucky, I'm a nobody :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
So how come you posted this in response to my question if you haven't played for ages, anyway?
Extremely common. If you go into a war and expect no outside razes then you are either foolish or are BB (because how can you not love BB?).
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Sweetiepie,
Of course you are sympathetic to DD. You have been from the start. You just will not understand that what they are doing does not meet their goals because you don't understand the game. It is ok. I had the same problem once.
You think we have interacted with a mere 4 kds this age? Want to see my cf page? I am protecting my kingdom, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Yes I am sympathetic cos 44 razes in a war is griefing, you were out of order, ROO is out of order, and my first thought is the negative impact on Uto (shan't post it all again, said my bit already) and that is why I do not like Bishop being involved in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Having said that I get that DD need to take a different tack to get what they want, although I fully understand why they are doing what they are doing and exactly how they must be feeling. It's like raze killing you using your own provs wouldn't be productive in the slightest anyway, because if you spawned in another kd and did it all again how are they further forward...
I did wonder whether they should just have coughed up some modest acres to Octo because Octo wouldn't get to keep them anyway because someone else in the top 5 would get hacked off at Sparta getting free acres and hit them. (I didn't realise before Band of Horses posted that Octo was in Sparta, and a lot of people hate Sparta for some reason). Then I thought hmmm maybe that's the idea, because maybe you guys hate Sparta too, and want to give them 'free acres' just to see them get royally whacked. And then I thought well maybe the acres just go through Sparta to some other kd, or maybe you think that DD will get whacked by other top end kds too for giving Sparta free land and they'll demand some, and at that point I gave up wondering because it was all too complex and looked pretty nasty to me to involve a bigger ghetto in top end powerplay regardless of anything else, if that was the purpose.
Average player has no idea who is hating on who and why unless someone starts a thread about it and includes a lot of detail. You have to guess bits of it.
I was referring to 4 kingdoms razing you 4 guys at once - Strippers, DD, and Sheister's old kingdom plus some of your own players razekilling you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
If you've had more than 4 kingdoms razing you at one time, the mind boggles, what else did you guys do and to whom in that case, please tell??
Knowing the top is critical to living in the forums. If you want to being so outspoken on the forums I would suggest acquiring that wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Sweetie pie,
You betray your silliness with every post. Who started it? Who hit into who first? Who refused all cf offers? By their own admission that was DD. If DD is understandable, how much more so the province that never hit them to begin with?
You think what I have done is disproportionate, but what objective standard are you using to so judge? No e is the answer. Go force your false morality on someone else. No one who understands the game agrees with you.
You betray your lack of rational thought with every post. I haven't seen somebody repeat "They started it" so many times since I was in grade school. I don't know why anybody is still trying to argue with you, I have more intelligent, rational conversations with the plant in my living room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
http://s11.postimg.org/ubrdn8i7n/I_m_the_Dude_rug.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
You should see someone about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelum
So if this was a conflict between KD A & KD B:
KD A waves into KD B.
KD B replies, "stop hitting us or we will raze into your future wars". (Then receives 3 more hits before KD A leaves KD B alone)
In KD A's next war, KD B retals the 3 extra hits with 14-15x OOW razes per hit made.
KD A's response is to RK a province in KD B once they exit war.
A couple of days of nothing follows..
KD B thinking the matter is now settled since "nothing happened in 2 days" pursue a war(conflict) with KD C. KD A starts razing into KD B's war.
KD B makes complaints on forum.
If the above situation had unfolded, the regular responses in this forum would have been along the lines of "Learn to do diplo", "A conflict aint over before both parties agree's its over", "Suck it up KD B, you put yourselves in that position".
Now, I am totally aware that the following situation is not KD vs KD, yet it seems strange to me that a conflict between 2 parties (DD & Sheister (+ RoO)) is treated so differently.
- Why didn't Sheister settle the situation with DD ? The usual consensus on these forums is that conflicts aren't over as long as there is no agreement from both parties to solve the situation. Apparently you usually dont get to just walk away from conflicts and decide its settled because you have something else you want to do. (And if Sheister was willing to leave the conflict with DD, why not just name his province something random so DD would never have found him ? Seems to me a quick and easy way out ?)
Quacky,
You are correct (in essence.). I made an assumption based on the behavior I was observing and was giving DD room. My assumption was wrong and I should not have joined RoO and continued to kd hop and raze into them. Essentially I decided to be nice and DD used that to come back and bite me and then involved RoO because I had joined them. If I had been razing intoDD the entire time, RoO would not be involved and DD would still be refusing diplomacy with me.
I don't know which is "better for the game". My mistake was letting DD go. I will never repeat that with them again.
I hate it when people I like fight with each other. I suggest y'all admit mistakes were made, make up(hugs optional) and move on. This has gone too long. too much has happened and too many people are now involved at different stages to even try to figure out who was more wrong when.