Age 61 potential changes comments.

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Originally Posted by Wiicip

Kidnapping may give you less peasants than what a fireball kill. But while a fireball means only killing peasants from someone else, kidnapping means removing them from an opponent and bringning them to yourself. I can't agree with the gains being unbalanced.

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IMO as a long term Halfer rogue, Kidnapping is fine. Yes it does less but as you said you do gain the pessies. With reduced BR spending 15% stealth on some kidnaps always helps compensate.
But ultimately, nothing compares with MS. When you login and see MS for 10 days you know it's gonna hurt, no other op comes even close. And Prop as an aid in war is pretty much useless, gaining 5 or 10 wizzies or in some cases gaining nothing on a successful op is ridiculous. Prop is extremely selfish with the only real gain being honor. Your stealth is much better spend on NS with regards to damaging opponents, and even then you would need to spend a lot of stealth to even come close to the damage one MS can do.

Ultimately, Halfers need the ability to do something that really hurts. One faery mystic spamming MS can ultimately do more damage in 1 wave than 2-3 halfers can do in the same wave, and that need balancing. Personally, I would like to be able to use Arson as a real damage dealer, but at the moment the return on investment is just not worth it. As a Rogue with Greater Arson, I should be able to make someone really notice I've hurt him, but ATM I would need to use 100% stealth to make a difference. Compare with a couple of thousand runes and 3-4% mana..I still lose on damage.

Point is that you can have 4 halfers doing damage, while 4 faeries spamming MS won't do any more damage than 1. Secondly, any KD is free to choose which races to take. It makes no sense comparing races/possibilities for individual provinces. It's about the KD effort.

Propaganda can be very powerful if you have a good successrate. You can effectively use it vs Elves to gain a lot of specs.

Question to those with know-how, for a 22-23 prov KD, what would you choose out of these 2:

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2 Elf/Mystic, 1 Faery/Mystic, 1 faery/rogue, 2 halfling/rogue

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2 Elf/Mystic, 2 Faery/Mystic, 2 Halfling/Merchant, 1 Halfling/Rogue.

Option 1 with 3 elf mystics+ 1 fae mystic

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Originally Posted by crease

Option 1 with 3 elf mystics+ 1 fae mystic

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Give Avians half food consumption or something.

I'm still digging the Dragon Log...

Hmm, not sure if 3 elves would be the solutions. I mean, in late-war when all provs are crippled faeries can switch to 5 mana ToGging. Elves cannot use their mana as effectively then. I think without the faeries/merchants you're going to have problems finishing dragons. I'm not saying I'm right, as you probably have more knowledge, it's just that I'd like to hear some reasoning ;)

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Originally Posted by Bukharistan

Hmm, not sure if 3 elves would be the solutions. I mean, in late-war when all provs are crippled faeries can switch to 5 mana ToGging. Elves cannot use their mana as effectively then. I think without the faeries/merchants you're going to have problems finishing dragons. I'm not saying I'm right, as you probably have more knowledge, it's just that I'd like to hear some reasoning ;)

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Granted, even with a /5 def spec, three elves would kinda stick out as primary wave targets, unless they got uber-big....

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Originally Posted by Jeff Brezenski

Granted, even with a /5 def spec, three elves would kinda stick out as primary wave targets, unless they got uber-big....

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a single fae mystic could do over half a kd on its own. there just needs to be enough runes lying about to send a chained elf to do the rest. 4 mystics is alot safer than 3 thou

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Originally Posted by Bukharistan

Hmm, not sure if 3 elves would be the solutions. I mean, in late-war when all provs are crippled faeries can switch to 5 mana ToGging. Elves cannot use their mana as effectively then. I think without the faeries/merchants you're going to have problems finishing dragons. I'm not saying I'm right, as you probably have more knowledge, it's just that I'd like to hear some reasoning ;)

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Why gives a ToG race a primary role that requires mana if you are going to have them ToG. Chances are that if they have bad wpa from AW they are going to have no econ due to ease of fbing. If you plan to use ToG in war, pick a defensive pers like sage/wh or pick rogue to make use of the dmg mods

Please add the following:

1. Watch towers thievery protection also acts for magic in equal percentages (failure and identification)
   
2. Thief dens have double effectiveness for Rogues... only fair to the boost mystics have
   
3. Allow Love and Peace to block and remove Chastity the same way NB does with the plague and storms/droughts. At the moment there are too many spells without a blocker against an attacker's population (MS, Storms, Chastity, Fireballs) and no spell that can stop them except for NB which only affects Storms.
   
4. Please move those -50% losses from elves to faeries. As a faery you train all those expensive elites and lose tones of them with each attack, when the elves pay almost nothing for specs, have a low NW/A and on top of all that they lose far less. It is a triple bonus that causes a huge unbalance vs T/M that go halfer or faery.

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Originally Posted by gn28

Please add the following:

1. Watch towers thievery protection also acts for magic in equal percentages (failure and identification)
   
2. Thief dens have double effectiveness for Rogues... only fair to the boost mystics have
   
3. Allow Love and Peace to block and remove Chastity the same way NB does with the plague and storms/droughts. At the moment there are too many spells without a blocker against an attacker's population (MS, Storms, Chastity, Fireballs) and no spell that can stop them except for NB which only affects Storms.
   
4. Please move those -50% losses from elves to faeries. As a faery you train all those expensive elites and lose tones of them with each attack, when the elves pay almost nothing for specs, have a low NW/A and on top of all that they lose far less. It is a triple bonus that causes a huge unbalance vs T/M that go halfer or faery.

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1. Magic does not work the same as thievery. Thieves can break down a mage, a mage just just remove his economy and do damage over time.
2. Double TD's are broken. They are not coming back
3. As 1.
4. An elf isnt designed to be a TM, halfers and faerys do it much better. This bonus allows hybrid elves to be built up to unbreakable with less risk, Faery being hit at start of war once or twice makes no gain out of this at all

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Originally Posted by crease

1. Magic does not work the same as thievery. Thieves can break down a mage, a mage just just remove his economy and do damage over time.
2. Double TD's are broken. They are not coming back
3. As 1.
4. An elf isnt designed to be a TM, halfers and faerys do it much better. This bonus allows hybrid elves to be built up to unbreakable with less risk, Faery being hit at start of war once or twice makes no gain out of this at all

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1 and 3 - the fact that one is not like the other is not a counter argument for not allowing a far and equal protection against both. That deflection did work for Ge0rge Bu$h Jr, but it won't work here. As far as the thief vs mage reference goes, it is really flawed. Have you have had a thief kill a few hundred troops with NS vs having a mage destroy your province before a wave with 5x Amnesia plus 18x Nightmare? You'll hope there's a thief around instead of that mage.
2. what is so bad in offering both mystics and rogues an equal bonus?
4. When did you last play Faery? You try to pump elites to protect yourself and you get hit 2x for earns by an SK and lose a crap load of elites you will not be able to train back in less than a week if not more. Elves are a lot stronger and they do get hit a lot less often because of the combination of that defense bonus and the low nw def specs You are saying elf isn't designed as t/m? Well it might not be so, but it is the most resilient T/M race in the game today.

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Originally Posted by I_am_Spartacus

Decided I might read one of these threads for first time in years. Always a great laugh to be found.

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says the ghetto cow.

yawn. game still full of assholes. good thing i don't bother playing any more.

You don't even play any more? You were the main reason I completely changed my mind about being a halfling a/t this age! Ahhh now I just don't know what to do! Haha. I'm very easily influenced. Someone could convince me to play faery tactician I'm sure.

play what you like? i dunno. halfers are still overrated, and have been age after age. halfer is technically good, but many people look at the wrong things as to why they are good.

So if you wish to run pure TMs you would include 0 Elves? I found this age that even with 5 raw wpa on an Elf and the 30% bonus I failed quite a lot of ops. For faeries you'd have to run like 8-9 wpa to get consistently good results on MS. But yeah I'll think it over.

4 faeries > 2 faeries/2 elves?