Age 61 potential changes comments.

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Originally Posted by gn28

1 and 3 - the fact that one is not like the other is not a counter argument for not allowing a far and equal protection against both. That deflection did work for Ge0rge Bu$h Jr, but it won't work here. As far as the thief vs mage reference goes, it is really flawed. Have you have had a thief kill a few hundred troops with NS vs having a mage destroy your province before a wave with 5x Amnesia plus 18x Nightmare? You'll hope there's a thief around instead of that mage.
2. what is so bad in offering both mystics and rogues an equal bonus?
4. When did you last play Faery? You try to pump elites to protect yourself and you get hit 2x for earns by an SK and lose a crap load of elites you will not be able to train back in less than a week if not more. Elves are a lot stronger and they do get hit a lot less often because of the combination of that defense bonus and the low nw def specs You are saying elf isn't designed as t/m? Well it might not be so, but it is the most resilient T/M race in the game today.

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1. It is a great deflection. Its the only thing Bishop will say on the subject. If a mage is a problem play warrior or suck it up. A mage doesnt destroy your province at all. It does damage over time, or provides support prechain, you were going down regardless.
2. You are NOT offering rogues an equal bonus. Double wizard production is exactly the same as half thief cost on halfer? Double towers is the same as double TD's, both are gone no? Jeez
4. Last time i played a faery it was a hybrid oow, its even better at that than the 2/5 faery i was saddled with. As for resilient TM's. Youre makign an argument that a prov OOW matters at all... You get learned and you ask a big kd to anon you for land, they will freely take the acres, presto ur pumped again. Halfer is a better TM than elf, has been for 'ages'

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Originally Posted by Bukharistan

So if you wish to run pure TMs you would include 0 Elves? I found this age that even with 5 raw wpa on an Elf and the 30% bonus I failed quite a lot of ops. For faeries you'd have to run like 8-9 wpa to get consistently good results on MS. But yeah I'll think it over.

4 faeries > 2 faeries/2 elves?

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5 raw wpa really isn't that high for an Elf, just means that you get a basic 6.5 mod wpa from racial bonus alone. It's the science that matters.

Reference from my halfling rogue province: (4.12 Wizards Per Acre)
I also have a weak science modifier: +51.8% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production

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Originally Posted by gn28

1 and 3 - the fact that one is not like the other is not a counter argument for not allowing a far and equal protection against both. That deflection did work for Ge0rge Bu$h Jr, but it won't work here. As far as the thief vs mage reference goes, it is really flawed. Have you have had a thief kill a few hundred troops with NS vs having a mage destroy your province before a wave with 5x Amnesia plus 18x Nightmare? You'll hope there's a thief around instead of that mage.
2. what is so bad in offering both mystics and rogues an equal bonus?
4. When did you last play Faery? You try to pump elites to protect yourself and you get hit 2x for earns by an SK and lose a crap load of elites you will not be able to train back in less than a week if not more. Elves are a lot stronger and they do get hit a lot less often because of the combination of that defense bonus and the low nw def specs You are saying elf isn't designed as t/m? Well it might not be so, but it is the most resilient T/M race in the game today.

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I am ignoring everything you said until I figure out the meaning of the Bush comment.. and why it was included.

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Originally Posted by gn28

1 and 3 - the fact that one is not like the other is not a counter argument for not allowing a far and equal protection against both. That deflection did work for Ge0rge Bu$h Jr, but it won't work here. As far as the thief vs mage reference goes, it is really flawed. Have you have had a thief kill a few hundred troops with NS vs having a mage destroy your province before a wave with 5x Amnesia plus 18x Nightmare? You'll hope there's a thief around instead of that mage.
2. what is so bad in offering both mystics and rogues an equal bonus?
4. When did you last play Faery? You try to pump elites to protect yourself and you get hit 2x for earns by an SK and lose a crap load of elites you will not be able to train back in less than a week if not more. Elves are a lot stronger and they do get hit a lot less often because of the combination of that defense bonus and the low nw def specs You are saying elf isn't designed as t/m? Well it might not be so, but it is the most resilient T/M race in the game today.

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SK's don't exist.

So Faegan, how much mod wpa would you suggest to have a 70-80% MS successrate on the average attacker (2 mod wpa).

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Originally Posted by Bukharistan

So Faegan, how much mod wpa would you suggest to have a 70-80% MS successrate on the average attacker (2 mod wpa).

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8 by your numbers. However alot of attackers are 3-4 mod outside of the lowliest ghettoes. 4x enemy wpa is recommended

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Originally Posted by faegan

SK's don't exist.

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Really now? I'd say that a KD with 24 active players that is 2x-3x bigger than most average KDs and which retals 5x in case you hit back after one of their small provinces hit you... well I'd call that an SK, maybe not the SKs of 8-10 years ago, but still an SK adjusted for inflation to the rest of the server. This age alone I've had 3 KDs retal with 2 trads and 6 razes in peace because I hit back after one of their small guys traded me and that's standard SK duchy behavior.

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Originally Posted by crease

8 by your numbers. However alot of attackers are 3-4 mod outside of the lowliest ghettoes. 4x enemy wpa is recommended

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That is allot of WPA.
With RM up that really sucks.

We need a reflect thief op.

Avian needs a small boost, perhaps increased BR bonus. Not sure if that would be too strong.
War Hero needs a small buff, perhaps +15% magic, and thievery defense during war. Maybe to strong.

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Originally Posted by tiggis

We need a reflect thief op.

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Like CS?

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Originally Posted by Legality

The biggest problem I have with these changes is the fact that they are never finalized until the start of the next age. Why can't it be done a few days before the end of age?

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Because there is no need to do so.

Let's add a Reflect Attack op:


"Your forces accidently attacked our own defenses allowing the enemy to capture 400 acres of land. We lost 1871 Ghouls and 2835 trolls in this battle. Letting the enemy take control of our land will take 12.04 days."
"Your forces in their confusion massacred your own people"

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Because there is no need to do so.

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That's what freeze time is for. I like that it encourages players and kingdoms to actually get more organized, giving them a short amount of time to decide their strategy.

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Originally Posted by tiggis

That is allot of WPA.
With RM up that really sucks.

We need a reflect thief op.

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Lets be clear that thats 8 mod wpa not raw. You can reach 8 mod with just 2-2.5 raw at this point in age

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Originally Posted by Bukharistan

So Faegan, how much mod wpa would you suggest to have a 70-80% MS successrate on the average attacker (2 mod wpa).

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Modifier = Your Mod WPA / Opponent's Mod WPA

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The higher this modifier is, the greater the:
- Chance of a Successful Cast
- Chance of Preventing an Opponent's Spell

A quick run around the block in my kingdom says that our Orcs (Warrior, War Hero, Tactician) have around 3 mwpa. I have no clue how successrate grows with above formula. There's also other factors like NW difference, kingdom stance and dragons to take into account....