TLDR Proteus, but I guess its you explaining how we suck and you pwn
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TLDR Proteus, but I guess its you explaining how we suck and you pwn
I've developed a system for reading Protie posts. You read the first 4 words of the paragraph, if in those 4 words he uses I/It's/Win/Lose/**** then stop there and skip to next paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
So band, you just don't read it at all?
nice war ama. I think one thing lots of the kd's facing you in these vulture environments don't realize is how effective you guys have gotten at pumping in eowcf+3days. Not sure if you are doing anything differently like sold swapping or if the people vulturing you just aren't stocking to pump for you(seems the latter) but people are consistently thinking that vulturing involves still being of same pump/stock as the target.
These definitions of hostiles keeps getting better, but I guess this means its allowed to hit into AMA during their waves unless they have given the button to someone. lol.Quote:
with someone you need to give them button - until you do that there is no valid hostile.
I'm not sure that vulturing actually exists anymore with the good bonuses in eowcf and the 3 extra days with good fort bonuses.
Also, @Proteus - PewPew would have razed you or massacred you or something into your eowcf to give you a button, but that's considered poor form. You are saying it's not cool for them to let you know they're coming but their only other alternative is to make a play most consider dirty so they are hostile with you before anyone else can be. I think it's better for them to say "we're coming, no matter what, so don't run" rather than hit into your eowcf. It's the lesser of two evils I guess.
The whole redefinition of what "hostile" means to fit a particular agenda is the problem. I think the only sane definition we can all agree upon is that if one kd has given another the button, those kds are hostile until they CF or the situation resolves in some other way. Using that definition has the added benefit of stopping people waving a kd whose armies are out against a 3rd party, which is happening more and more and is super shady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But if neither wants to given button and they are just hitting each other without giving the button isnt that a hostile act?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
I'd say that is an unfriendly act. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces
This is a radical change of position on your end from when I was leading Rage when you'd consider kingdoms waving us after immediately eow or few days after vulturing. You also considered it vulturing after AMA sat oow for a few weeks and gave us 72h notice after eow cf ended after we just got done warring BB. Mechanics were the same back then. Now all of the sudden hitting people after a war (especially with their ally is not vulturing) this is obvious because you are going to be the next kingdom that tries to vulture AMA after we just warred your ally. Someone please quote me here for future reference/accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
As for what pewpew did, there is no such thing as "claiming" someone with words. And saying "dont run" to us is stupid, we had no intention of running as you can see pewpew was farmed...there was nothing to run from. The problem here is you cant waste a kingdoms time by saying "I plan to fight you but wont actually hit you for days but fight anyone else or I will double you." That is exactly what you are saying here. When Sanc did something similar to Simians they were denounced by Abs leadership as well as by the community. You cant claim people that are in fort and your too scared to hit them by words and dragon projects alone. No you don't need to hit into eow to claim someone, but its nice that you point out that interfering with eow is lame. Pewpew robbed our gold into war, what do you think about that?
I never had to tell someone "dont run or we will double you" nor had problems getting a fight with somekne who ended war, we went fort several days when eow expired and waved into fort giving button. If you don't want to wave i to fort and give button then dont complain and cry that your opponent isnt allow to pick another fight if they are ready after 4days of eow and dont want to wait for you.
Also note how no one really complains about being vultured its complaining about people who ****play but can't take a dose of their own medicine. When I decided to vulture flogger, I was ready for a grudge that would last for a long time. Hope in the future you don't cry about being hit after eow ends either :)
Also you aren't ASF man, this was a fail for propaganda attempt.
Terrible performance from pp. Leaders if there are any have no clue what their doing. Deciding to start their pump 2 days before AMA leave eowcf and no real plan in war. Was lost before it even started. GL all ppers rest of age im done.
Erm... I've said since they put in 96 hour eowcf with good bonuses that you really can't "vulture" anymore. The only thing going after a kd after they use their 4 days eowcf and 3 more days of fort prep does is prevent them exploring their full pool before another fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
You don't get to put words in my mouth, and there's no turn around at all on my part. I've consistently said that 7 days to prep for someone means there's no such thing as vulturing, since that word was used to describe pouncing on a kd after their 48 hours eowcf time was up, back before it was extended and the eowcf bonuses were drastically increased.
It's insane for anyone to say that seven days to prepare is not enough time. I will grant that it's a whole lot easier to win wars if you are given extra weeks to do explores and stock billions of gold and such, but those things aren't necessary. They're luxuries.
At the late part of last age, your kingdom and two others spent days threatening to GB me and only after we took ourselves out of the race did the spin become "we would have fought you 1v1", but even then, if that was not just BS PR spin, the fights would have given us only the 4 day eowcf period.
So if your kingdom and your monarch and your allies all thought it was fine to threaten to gangbang me if I didn't bow to your demands, and then after the fact said publicly that you would have warred us b2b2b with us getting only 4 day eowcf between each fight, then you cannot now complain and say that having more time than you were willing to give us to prep is somehow bad.
The truth us, assuming we fight when our CF is up, we are giving you nearly double the time you claimed you would have given us, and you want to complain and say we're doing something wrong? If we wanted to get right down to it, we should treat you exactly how you claim you would have treated us.
Please don't ever put words in my mouth again.
Now, as far as what PewPew did, I believe they waited and didn't op or hit you until you had eowcf AND fort right? So what's the problem?
My comment was simply that I think if a kd has decided they are going to fight another kd, even if that target kd runs, it's better for them to just say so than for them to hit into eowcf. If they tell you, with words, that they are coming for you no matter what, then you know what the situation is and you have your eowcf and fort to prep. If you run, they told you they were coming so that's on you.
Hitting into eowcfs would be a much worse situation to have happening as the norm.
come play with me and have an age off ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saatana
I don't know how to handle superior forces. There, I said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
Drixx, first you was part from chart shape war. You had several options and all was very fair.
1. Keep 40k gains and drop rest land and get extend cf with all us.
2. Keep all land and you can choice war AMA or BB and second kd wont give you notice. So after war is over you have 4+3 days gave you enough time to go fort stance its another 4 days.
3. We can accept deal your proposed. Deal you asked was complete unreasonable and lame. You abuse it last age with try win N1 NW too. Rage finish was age is fake and not your real finish you can get if we didunt decide to cf you all.
Stop complain. If this was ABS age your kd will be GBed and there wont be let any acres for keep.
P.S. When Pew Pew and ED run in another arranged war AMA was full drafted and only target for us was Rage. WB asked me for not give you notice and let tour kd get chance for war Pew Pew and beat them. Notice you was sure easy WW for us but we didn't. Every time when you ask me for favor im doing it and every time when you are "feel strog" you are try to bite me back.
Elit ... you aren't willing to give me anything to CF you. You want it for free. You have a full pool. So I'm 75k acres and if I CF you, then you will be 85k acres in a few days. Whenever that CF would end, you will be bigger, more sci, more resources, etc...
You would not give me a free cf if it was the other way around. The last 2 ages when you did us "favors" you were 50k or more acres bigger than us, so the favor was that you didn't come take a free wave, but you didn't need it and if you did need it you would have taken it. It wouldn't have been anything personal.
It's not personal that I don't want to CF you for free. It's just smart. Right now you have adequate time to prepare to fight us on fairly even size and networth (assuming you explore some). If I give you a free CF then there won't be anything resembling an even fight later. What rational person would trade a relatively even and hard fight against one of the best kds in the game for a fight later where the other kd is larger, more sci, more resources, etc...?
vulturing definitely exists with 96 hour eowcf, people just keep doing a bad job at it.
Bullocks, 96hours is plenty of time to pump. Especially if you win the war
Im not in mod for argue Drixx.
You Just double your FA going up to 12k. so its not 75k acres its 77k and going up every tic.
We wont run and we will do our best.
p.s
We wont run but if Pew Pew reject my cf offer we will go round 2 them...
None of you guys ever use dibsQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
you never said DIBS!!
We offered Pew Pew cf so call dibs don't make sense :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
damn you right, but did Rage dibs you is the question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I dibs Ovenmitt <--
I think Drixx polite share his intention to war us after cf expire :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Like a gentleman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I am less polite, i use dibs and silverplatters
No TY. After 40+ ages think its time to leave this game.Quote:
come play with me and have an age off ;)
without petrified or anyone who have a slighest idea how to war its a complete ghetto. People tend to set sitting these days when they lose intrest and know they getting farmed.Quote:
We (pewpew) performed at max 10% of us being able, no idea what happened and how. We had people army home 12+ hours etc.
Doesnt take away that AMA performed perfectly.
Why don't u war CR, Drixx? Both Rage and CR r whoring whole age having CFs with every half-serious kd, so both could pump at low drafts for 4 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drixx
PB/AMA is a complete ghetto w/out Elit too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saatana
Btw, what happend to Petman?
dunno he just left after honor crown
Intra kd before you leave. Ovenmitt makes a good targetQuote:
Originally Posted by Saatana
You do realize that pewpew would lose / get farmed with pet as well right? It matters who you guys fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saatana
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win. -Sun Tze
They may well lose overall, but most would put money that if Petrified was around when Pew gave notice, they'd have done a lot better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
He's a very good war strategist, and they had some advantages that were obvious even to us nubs that were not taken. :)
You're smart enough to realise that, and Drug amongst others alluded to it.
So to be fair, it's cool to say Pew not done great, this time, but it's always a learning curve. :)
Edit: add war. Dunno enough about ze whoring to comment. :)
Oh, and another thing. Sorry.
Dunno if anyone else in pew, currently, would do better than Bin.
It's a hard position to fill, and you learn from mistakes I've usually found. :)
If people dun learn, they dun improve. :)
I'd have gone warrar this age, but they can always switch, and have more knowledge. :)
Its correct way for play when you build/rebuild kd. Pew Pew have a lot new ppl from what i know but main is change leaders. Go for land in this situation is mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Ya. Bit brutal to play against you/zauper/flogger when never lead there before. ;)
No shame in playing T20-T10 and keep it together beating them up while learning. Imo. :)
Ho hum, not my problem though. So gl to all :)
The shame comes in thinking it is okay to try and play in top, then not performing great (regardless of who is in charge). And then from there, instead of taking their lumps when they can't win an age, farming out to shape charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Errr... I ain't pew, so will not comment much .
However
1) You could not do better. As I could not either. :)
2) You're not a top leader. As I'm not either. So we learn from Elit, zauper etc.
3) You conflate last age Pew with this age
If this age Pew start da shaping then knock 'em. Until then, I'd suggest a different way for their current leadership to try move on from the past. :)
Surely it better to suggest better ways than talk smack?
Main problem why kds die and why we have so many "bad" kds is lack good leaders. No one want to lead more because its take so much time. Its like doing work but you don't get paid for it. For this leaders need to learn how make his life more easy.
For begin kd with so many leaders is pure fault. Over 2-3 ppl lead is mistake. Best is Dual lead from ppl different time zones. Get involved other ppl to help with call/sms micro help when leaders need. If you split job to more ppl its take lest time, but same time keep it pure dictate. Its only way for success play.