Age 46 - Suggest changes

if you'd fix all the outstanding bugs, and check seriously read the suggestion section of the forum you'd be half way. (like making default number of generals 0)

and it would be nice if the users of your game could actually use it without being attacked by viruses from your ads...

also, your invitation system, if you open prov trading, the number of invites should be the number of open slots, its quite absurd to consider it an anti-cheat measure...

which leads to anti-cheat, you'll prolly be working on it (lets hope at least) but as far as i know your only anti cheat is the 5 invitations (10 actually) you've handed out... are you kidding me?!

you seriously need to fix your **** ups, if your advertisers realise the player number is dropping this much they should pull the plug, i dont want this game to die.

I have this really terrible feeling that the only actual change OMAC will implement is a warmeter, because two n00bs have demanded it.

* Get rid of Building Efficiency
* Make more drastic changes in the races
* Add some Personalities Combo (one personality beginning of age - one after 1.5k acres)
* Allow Gnomes to have Hospitals or naturally less loses - they have a hard time competing in a long war

*Overhaul of relation systems - should be declarable even if one KD opposes it..this is war after all

Random
- Raze stronger, worthless atm in war
- Enhance magic, fail rates are insane even at 5-6 WPA
- Thievery is ok, maybe a itsy bitsy overpowered (but rather make magic a tad stronger so TM is somewhat of an option)
- Most of the game costs seem to be on par with the old formulas, some things don't look optimal but that's too much to go into right here.

Races
- Gnomes are quite the powerhouse atm, quite strong.
- DE are ok
- Dwarf, can't keep up with a lot of other races. Strong but slow. Could make them stronger or faster but they could be quickly overpowered.
- Elf is ok, quite strong, ToG would greatly overpower them.
- Orc is ok.
- Humans are good, worth the investment of science for the smart player and they have some speed for the jumpy guys.


Changes are welcome. I'd say something like:

- Dwarves need a small boost to make them a bit more attractive for simpler players or enhance their edge of slow but strong. Niche or global play, but make a pick. Optionally a bank enhancing spell like they had in the past?
- Seems people are bored, throw something around so they stop complaining.

Seeing the ridiculous suggestions you people are making makes me so ****ing glad I'm not playing next age. I hope they all get implemented so I have a sure reason to never come back.

Will age 46 still be "beta" as in: Random bugs and slowness are fully acceptable? If so, I'd like that gone first, even if that means the next age is run on the old code and this new code is moved to a proper beta place, like genesis.

Then another wish I have is 25 player kingdoms. You lost a lot of players, leading to kingdoms that have too few players to compete with filled kingdoms. I'd love kd's to be able to merge and/or be forced to merge. These half filled kd's totally destroy the game mechanics leading to less viable war targets etc.

Finally, some openness as to the game mechanics would be nice. Is it a bug that parts of thievery intel are 100% exact, or is this by design? It's been there a long time so i assume it's by design.

Then maybe do some work to make the game more playable: from simple things like defaulting generals in an attack to 0 to more fancy things like a user friendly design that looks pretty and needs less clicking/pageloading to a build-in intel store like pimp and a build-in calculator like angel. Make utopia less like a chore to play!

But I guess you're more looking at race related changes, which is where I don't care much. But if you must, I like being attacker, so stronger orc warrior would be really great ;) Seriously everything is awfully balanced, and i think that while the game is in it's current ****ty state, better keep the balance and don't add possible problems to the already existing ones. (I'd like less balanced though, to be able to find (near) 'loopholes/exploits' to be able to create an incredibly strong pov, right now i don't get farther than gnome/artisan with high science, and it isn't even that much stronger than a full-blown orc warrior and much easier to stop)

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Originally Posted by vt2

a functional game.

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+1.

and another one, just not only for age 46... if you update something, please let us know what on earth you fixxed...!

Having paradise either taking half or full land from the explore pool is a start.

We need something new that doesn't suck though. Every time something new has been added it has been inferior to the choices we already have. Avian, Undead, Cleric, Artisan have all been introduced under OMAC's rule and have been vastly inferior to elf/orc.

Elf and orc have been overpowered for ages now to the point where going heavy on one or the other is the only choice most kingdoms have.

* Some sort of benefit for killing a dragon (other than a dead dragon), ie honor, spec credits, a $hit-ton of food for the kingdom, whatever
* I hesitate to suggest this based on the obvious coding it will need, but make more actions possible from a kingdom page, ie, cast a spell or do an op or even attack, directly from their kingdom page.
* Give titles based on activity, ie, # of successful offensive spells/ops, # of attacks, etc. Similar to honor-based titles, ie rookie, veteran, etc. This would be a penalty to explorers/dicers. Maybe just an overhaul of the honor system.
* Logically, an army on horses should return faster than an army on foot, so factor the % of troops sent on horses and adjust overall return time, i'm not sure of how many attackers don't use stables, so this might not be worth the effort
*How about a building that functions similar to fog, moats maybe ( i know, a moat is not a building) or toll booth (Somebody's got to go back and get a $hitload of dimes)
*Some sort of conflict meter, be it hostile or war, it's way too mysterious

^^Some of those are only slightly serious

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Originally Posted by VT2

A functional game.

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That.

i say ring up mehul and ask him to think up some changes :P


bring back faery with all spells and make my beloved dwarf 7/7 again!! and boats! bring back boats! hmm i guess im trying to say, back to the old ages setup :P

Brian,
Alot of feedback can be said with regards to different things.
Being a beta age, things ultimately didnt start out according to plan and some are still a work in process Im sure.

Being a player from the very beginning, I can tell you the ages enjoyed most in terms of game play were the ones with a lot more variety.

With today's current races, game play is very similar in terms of whatever race is employed. Im not saying a drastic overhaul is needed, but in terms of numbers, there is very little difference between playing a dwarf or an orc, an elf or a delf or many other races

Back before mehul implemented the changes, races like faery were 90% mages. They would turtle and dice while other races would attack and attack. Now given the fact that any race can play any specific role, race selection isnt as strategic as it once was.

If this isnt clear, I will try and elaborate. Humans today have the -25% magic effectiveness, which can easily be overcome via the increased science bonus. Its things like this that have taken the strategic elements out of the game.

Even if the game structure remains the same, I feel making some of the race penalties harsher will add to the overall experience, as it will greatly enhance the overall strategy behind the game, which has been lacking for sometime.
You still need some balanced races for sure, but in terms of a race being able to overcome any limitiations (such as the human science) it takes alot of out the game.

Just as an example, something like humans having the 25% less magic effectiveness and spell failure, orcs say having a capped science, delfs having less gains. Something along those lines where each race has a distinct advantage / disadvantage will greatly effect the scope of the game and how it is played, from the super KD's down to the individual player. It will give each race a specific role to play, as well as appeal to the casual player who only wants to login once / twice a day to paradise or hit.

Aside from that, improving server speed and little mechanical things will go along way to improving game play.

If you looking for an off the wall suggestion, bring in more races, re do numbers and have a few ages of beta to "balance" out races so that each one can have a strategy to succeed. This could be done once your coding and things have been worked out, but as alot of players have said, the game has become quite dry in terms of variability in play.

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Originally Posted by Yuri

Having paradise either taking half or full land from the explore pool is a start..

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we did this last age.... and orc was over powered, and people complained about excessive bottomfeeding by top kd's

so.... no...

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* Some sort of benefit for killing a dragon (other than a dead dragon), ie honor, spec credits, a $hit-ton of food for the kingdom, whatever

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too open to abuse

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* Give titles based on activity, ie, # of successful offensive spells/ops, # of attacks, etc. .

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then you can focus your attacks etc on the more active people in a kd
yes, ONLY if it can only been seen internally

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Maybe just an overhaul of the honor system

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YES

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I have this really terrible feeling that the only actual change OMAC will implement is a warmeter, because two n00bs have demanded it

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i would like a numerical hostile meter, which shows us EXACTLY what our hostility to/from other kd's is...

either that or a correct explanation as to how it works, cause it's obviously broken atm...

We'll have something like this.

Dwarf gets 7/7 elites, for 10 networth.
Fog gets moved to dark elf.
Dark elf gets all spells, and 2/12 elites, for 8 networth.
Paradise picks acres from the pool, so the top-50 farms out all the ghettos again.
Avian gets 50% increased losses.
We get a warmeter.
We get 'moats.'
Magic castles are finally implemented.
Killing dragons rewards you with a million honor.
Back to land-based gains.
Specialists become strength-4.
Faeries, undead, halflings, centaur, vampires, and star elves are all added, and suck hard.
Artisian gives a 50% bonus to homes, but is still useless compared to warrior, mystic, and rogue.

And in the end, none of these changes will work, because OMAC doesn't know how to code.