Concerns About the Change to Sitting

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Originally Posted by Korp

How can you be commited to the game if you need to have people attack for you? This is a feauture that would benefit the lazy none commited people. Like me if my kd would be warring.

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If you've been playing this game for almost 20 years, that's pretty committed.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

What kind nonsense is that? Of course it gives you benefits in game.

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The difference of 1 hour to 24 hours there is no in game benefit. While a bad player getting a good player to sit them is a benefit, that has been the same since sitting was introduced. Reduced minimum only adds to out of game benefits, sleep more work more.

clear pay to win.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

If you've been playing this game for almost 20 years, that's pretty committed.



The difference of 1 hour to 24 hours there is no in game benefit. While a bad player getting a good player to sit them is a benefit, that has been the same since sitting was introduced. Reduced minimum only adds to out of game benefits, sleep more work more.

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No Benefit ? Bad players wont be using this to begin with, New players wont be spending money to buy it . Alot of players have never even purchased sitting if a player poll was able to be taken and revealed .

This as Steel said is just a new form of xlogging that the game has figured out how to make money off of and benefits a certain group of kingdoms actually as opposed to the game not making money off it previously and deleting people for doing the same exact thing.

Changes to Throne page was a step forward and actually helps new players,This is a step back again .

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Originally Posted by Thunder TA

No Benefit ? Bad players wont be using this to begin with, New players wont be spending money to buy it . Alot of players have never even purchased sitting if a player poll was able to be taken and revealed .

This as Steel said is just a new form of xlogging that the game has figured out how to make money off of and benefits a certain group of kingdoms actually as opposed to the game not making money off it previously and deleting people for doing the same exact thing.

Changes to Throne page was a step forward and actually helps new players,This is a step back again .

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Still waiting for one person to give an in game benefit.

I'm playing this game - that's empirical proof that the game isn't p2w.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I'm playing this game - that's empirical proof that the game isn't p2w.

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trolololol

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Still waiting for one person to give an in game benefit.

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Must have missed the original post

"For me, this destroys a large portion of tactical gameplay within wars. When you are facing a big tanky province, effective organisation and targetting provinces during potential weak moments (often during sleep) can be, and often is, an absolute game-changer.

I am a wee bit concerned that this is now lost. I am concerned that we are removing a huge (in many cases, the only) avenue for KDs to attack strong provinces during a short window of opportunity. I feel this is moving towards a Pay2Win system, as this provides kingdoms willing to use a ton of credits a large advantage over kds who are not willing to, or cannot, do that."


Im still waiting to see how this will benefit new or average players or most kds under the top 20 or so .

this modification doesn't change anything. You can have sitting now. The only thing it changes is that you can take control of your province again when it is convenient for you. Unless they change max sitting time to an hourly thing as well it doesn't make this any more abusable than before.

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Originally Posted by Thunder TA

Must have missed the original post

"For me, this destroys a large portion of tactical gameplay within wars. When you are facing a big tanky province, effective organisation and targetting provinces during potential weak moments (often during sleep) can be, and often is, an absolute game-changer.

I am a wee bit concerned that this is now lost. I am concerned that we are removing a huge (in many cases, the only) avenue for KDs to attack strong provinces during a short window of opportunity. I feel this is moving towards a Pay2Win system, as this provides kingdoms willing to use a ton of credits a large advantage over kds who are not willing to, or cannot, do that."


Im still waiting to see how this will benefit new or average players or most kds under the top 20 or so .

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Large provinces can also choose not to sleep. Or have a buddy system one sits another 24hrs straight stays awake the whole time, then the other does the same for both. We've all pulled all nighters before. You perceive this as an ingame benefit because you see out of game actions as a constant, which it is not.

Any cow player worth his salt doesnt sleep through ticks in the top wars, you do 1hr and 55 minute (59 if you're good ;)) sleep cycles to make sure other kd doesnt starve you etc. So i guess you have no tactical gameplay to beat them at all.... All you're doing is letting that player set sitter so he can sleep a full night which is an OUT OF GAME BENEFIT.

This benefit is even among all players to their out of game life, new or old. Since there is no in game benefit.

So you're still at 0 examples, waiting...

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

If you've been playing this game for almost 20 years, that's pretty committed.



The difference of 1 hour to 24 hours there is no in game benefit. While a bad player getting a good player to sit them is a benefit, that has been the same since sitting was introduced. Reduced minimum only adds to out of game benefits, sleep more work more.

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But you will reward those that are lazy and screw over those that dedicated time. Now there is no point in dedicating time to Utopia anymore "Man i dont feel like attacking oh ill just set sitting" ..

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Still waiting for one person to give an in game benefit.

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Say I have to make a hit at 2am. And I won't be doing that. I may be chained with my army home. Maybe I am supposed to start off a chain. If I in fact do not show up, that is potentially bad for my province but definitely bad for my kingdom.

Now I can set a sitter over night, and suddenly the KD has a province available (at a cost $) that otherwise would not have been, allowing for strategies to be carried out which would be impossible without the sat province or less effective.

In a game where activity is necessary, unequivocally so, particularly during war, and is directly correlated to success, it is nothing but disingenuous to claim that the ability to have another person play your province during hours when you're unavailable is not an advantage over kingdoms that chose not to pay for this feature.

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Originally Posted by Korp

But you will reward those that are lazy and screw over those that dedicated time. Now there is no point in dedicating time to Utopia anymore "Man i dont feel like attacking oh ill just set sitting" ..

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Pay to be lazy isn't pay to win. The reward being you have to pay $1? Right now you could say you don't feel like attacking and set someone sitter for 24hrs.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Say I have to make a hit at 2am. And I won't be doing that. I may be chained with my army home. Maybe I am supposed to start off a chain. If I in fact do not show up, that is potentially bad for my province but definitely bad for my kingdom.

Now I can set a sitter over night, and suddenly the KD has a province available (at a cost $) that otherwise would not have been, allowing for strategies to be carried out which would be impossible without the sat province or less effective.

In a game where activity is necessary, unequivocally so, particularly during war, and is directly correlated to success, it is nothing but disingenuous to claim that the ability to have another person play your province during hours when you're unavailable is not an advantage over kingdoms that chose not to pay for this feature.

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Person A sets sitter overnight so his army can hit at 2am and he wont have to wake up. Person B stays up all night and makes his 2am hit, he doesnt get to sleep. The in game is the same, the out of game is the difference. Out of game benefit not in game.

Having another player play your province during hours when you're unavailable... that is in the 24hr sitting setting too.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Person A sets sitter overnight so his army can hit at 2am and he wont have to wake up. Person B stays up all night and makes his 2am hit, he doesnt get to sleep. The in game is the same, the out of game is the difference. Out of game benefit not in game.

Having another player play your province during hours when you're unavailable... that is in the 24hr sitting setting too.

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ing ame benefits being you dont have to be 2 people online you can only be one. this whole sitting thing wasnt meant to be as a "Im too lazy to attack" feauture

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Originally Posted by Korp

ing ame benefits being you dont have to be 2 people online you can only be one. this whole sitting thing wasnt meant to be as a "Im too lazy to attack" feauture

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One person being able to be offline is an out of game benefit.

You guys need help? One person sitting another account allows for better soldier bouncing. Oh but wait that is true with the current system too.

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