i think golfer44 doth protest too much. maybe hes the roro scripting? :D
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i think golfer44 doth protest too much. maybe hes the roro scripting? :D
damn guys. no one can just take **** at face value.
as much as i may disagree with bish on some things hes the man. leave him the **** alone. yea he has absolutely nothing better to do then to delete cheaters and then come to the forums and have random assholes insult him for "lack of proof". i hope anyone of you has the patience to be a mod so i can harass the **** out of yall if you ever become one somewhere.
Well said, golfer44vip. Regardless of what the situation is, it's always nice to see someone who has coherent thought, rational reasoning, and most of all, comprehensible articulation with good grammar and spelling. Just had to throw that out there.
What was rational about his post? It was pure tinfoilhat.
Options 2, 3 and 4 are not possibilities, as they wouldn't be breaking rules and then get deleted. I swear you people frighten me sometimes with your fail-logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
You forgot one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tpyo
5 - A magical wizard from Narnia stubbed his toe and in his pain accidentally shouted a spell which caused 50 accounts to be created, ran the same way, and bounce wave one unfortunate target.
We as the Utopia community need to travel to Narnia and make this wizard pay!
Bishop, he saw no evidence provided in the article of cheating, only allegations, and hence questioned the validity of the allegations. Seems fairly rational to me. I really have no interest in what the actual events were, and I certainly believe you did what you felt was proper -- I have no doubts of that. I merely wanted to express my appreciation for people in this forum -- and in Utopia in general -- who actually are able to, or put the effort into, properly articulating their thoughts.
Mad Scottish was reporting facts - he doesn't have to (and actually cant provide) direct evidence.
Deletions are evidence of cheating. His thought were wrong, so why would you appreciate them?Quote:
Originally Posted by GSX1300R
Bishop, I don't expect Mad Scottish to provide direct evidence. Just as I don't expect anyone to put golfer44vip's response down simply because he expressed his thoughts. I don't have anything against what Mad Scottish wrote -- other than the fact that it is written in generally poor English. As I said, my praise to golfer44vip's posts has very little to do with what I feel is right or wrong about the article.
You are more than welcome to offer your services as a reporter with your superior use of the English language.
DHaran, that I must disagree with. Unless you've re-invented the meaning of evidence, the deletions in no way proves the cheating. Once again, I don't doubt that the deletions were justified and necessary, and I have no problems with there not being any actual evidence provided. Administrators control the game as they see fit, and that's the way it should be, but please don't insult our and your own intelligence by saying that "deletions prove cheating".
I just love it when people criticize free stuff and folks who volunteer their time.
DHaran, you assume that I want to, and I have no idea why you would. Since that's an entirely different topic, I suppose there really is no use to continue the discussion in this thread.
GSX1300R, Admins wont go "random delete" if they don't have good reason/evidence. Second there never was in past 50 "random legit provinces" to attack same time another top prov for no reason. Its possible EOA 2-3 provinces to attack for fun n1 province but its all and EOA.
The deletions obviously show that there was cheating - also my posting in the thread confirming the additional actions we are taking to stop scripters is clearly tacit approval of this article.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSX1300R
Let me say it again - deletions like this indicate the breaking of the games rules. Specifically in this case the provinces deleted were all scripted and played on public proxies.
How is there an argument here that admin deletions don't prove cheating? Am I being trolled?
Goodness. Do people not know how to read?
Elitbg, I have not accused the administrators of "random deletions", nor have I stated that the situation involved "50 random legit provinces". In fact, I stated quite the opposite. I believe that the deletions were justified and necessary, and I believe the administrators acted properly in the given situation.
Since it seems that it is difficult to avoid confusion and misinterpretation of my intentions, allow me to clarify.
I think Utopia is a great game. I appreciate what the administrators are doing to help maintain a wonderful game community. I think it's fabulous that someone is volunteering time and effort to put into providing information and casual reading. I apologize if I've offended anyone, as that was not my intention.
We can read fine, specifically the part where you stated deletions are not evidence of cheating, which is incorrect.
/me shrugs
So, if I beat the crap out of you, DHaran, that would be evidence that you insulted me? Interesting theory.
I'm sorry. I promise to get out of your hair on this topic now.
cheaters never win, thank you bishop and company for keeping us safe!
So.. if you get convicted for a crime that doesnt make you guilty?Quote:
Originally Posted by GSX1300R
No, because there doesn't have to be a relation between insults and violence. There does, however, have to be a relation between admin deletions and rule breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSX1300R
Not the best analogy considering wrongly imprisoned people over the years :P This situation is more like concrete DNA evidence tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
delete
thing i wrote was prolly said before
lol much more than the 1 page i read
Hide your pass, hide your users, Versace is gunna hack everything.
Fail. :headbang:Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
There is zero difference between the logic of both these examples. They're both cause --> effect logic scenarios.
Cause: You insult my mother. --> Effect: You get beat up.
Cause: You break a rule. --> Effect: You get deleted.
Both cases start with the assumption of the Effect. You cannot integrate the Effect to find a specific Cause without more information (in calculus, a constant term).
I was not trying to hate on Bishop or mad_scottish. I was simply expecting details regarding a very disturbing situation and I expressed that. When I specifically asked for proof or details, since the article lacked both, it's a game of cat and mouse. Why?
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Originally Posted by Bishop
I don't know where puppy101 got his information but I need to visit that part of the community. It's clear from this article and spiteful moderator responses that they are unwilling to provide worthwhile information here.:salute:Quote:
Originally Posted by puppy101
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Originally Posted by Syntico
Wonder what is ABS politic for hack account in your own kd? Maybe you deserve punish and GB now :P
Wrong again. Sure those are causes and effects, but in this case there is only ONE cause for deletion, and that is breaking rules. It's a worthless analogy that doesn't apply at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfer44vip
Admin does not release detailed information regarding other people's deletions, never have and never will. It was clearly stated they were deleted for breaking the rules, and verified by admin, this is indisputable evidence as far as reporting is concerned. You are grasping at straws. If you have proof they weren't cheating and would like to call into questions Bishop's credibility, we'd love to see it. Otherwise you are making ridiculous statements.
(I was being sarcastic)Quote:
Originally Posted by puppy101
oh true, didn't think of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
It's probably this one thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I'm surprised this didn't happen earlier. By creating banks, the top kingdoms are putting all their eggs in one basket.
Oh gawd, I think I know who she is. I don't think she would cheat. I'd bet she was just looking at the top land targets to make hits. She hit 2 provinces right? The first was after the target province had armies out. The second was after the defense was beaten down on the target. If she was looking at targets and saw a big land fat province with no defense maybe it just looked ripe so she took advantage? I know it sounds like a stretch but if it is the person I'm thinking of then I don't think she would cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
In this article: HeadBangers Ball is Sanctuary, Hide Everything is Sonata-trollfaggs, I guess it was their intra-kds deal... 8)
Someone saw that Realest was threatening Sanc in the forums and wanted to even up the playing field perhaps.
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Originally Posted by tpyo
occum's razor brah
Deletions only proves that an admin **THINKS** some kind of cheat happened - it does not prove the cheat REALLY happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
It does not even prove that every admin agrees that a cheat happened.
That's the difference
Lol...gota love it......
Delete the cheating bastids......
This was very amusing......
Recap the Rules page linked from the Lobby :-
While province deletion is not account deletion, it is however a form of account modification. And as the admin has the right to suspend, modify or delete our accounts with or without our notice, therefore the admin can act even though he is just 'thinking' (or technically, suspecting) that someone is cheating or/and violating the Code of Conduct.Quote:
Account Suspension/Deletion
Your account may be suspended, modified or deleted at any time for any reason, with or without notice to you. In the event of suspension, modification or deletion of your account, you will not be entitled to a refund of any prior amounts that have been paid by you to purchase credits for your account. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions/deletions are the result of violations of the Code of Conduct.
Also regarding the evidence you sought of - the most explicit, cut-clear form of evidence in this case to prove that they are cheating are by game logs. Disclosing such evidence also discloses the personal information of the ones involved, which may lead into violating the privacy of the people involved.
It's amazing how many people failed to see sarcasm when the post was dripping with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by br3nt00
Anyway, about the evidence being sought by some people, you should know by now that you won't get it. They have never released information on why people get deleted. If you ask them on behalf of a friend/kd-mate, they tell you to have the friend/kd-mate contact them. If you ask about someone else's deletion, they tell you it's none of your business and they don't discuss deletions. It's been that way for a very long time. So to expect them to change their stance and give you the concrete proof that you are asking for is stupid.
look guys, I ain't even mad. Why the **** do all you have your panties in a bunch?
'show proof of cheating' = let the cheaters know exactly how we caught them so they can avoid it in the future.
last age i had one of the top provs on the server, this was going well with nice solid defence and a good offence until a certain bunch of 'players' decided my land looked good.
plunders and learns by several provs (much bigger in much bigger kd's) resulted in my defence being wrecked....cue follow up hits from smaller allied kd's that would never have been able to break me, result being my prov halved in size and almost useless due to the massive military losses.
now, i obviously have zero proof that any of these cheated as such but they obviously worked together simply to wreck someones age with well timed, organised attacks.
my question now is, could they be accused of being scripted or would the timing of the attacks prevent this?
similar scenario to the opening topic, but one reason that a lot of people are getting sick of the game.
ps: maddy's use of english can be explained easily by the fact he is scottish---the clue is in his name :P