hey thats not fair! I <3 Silva and have nothing against Strippers <3
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hey thats not fair! I <3 Silva and have nothing against Strippers <3
This is classic as SWEA had to face breaking its sci pump to prepare for a kingdom they might not be able to fight due to pewpew preparing as well. This is similar to when simians decided to triple notice rage, sanc, and hoh ages ago and 2 kingdoms would ultimately have to burn their gc pumping but not get to fight. Only ways out of a situation like that are to re-cf before notice elapses or to coordinate with allies so one kingdom preps and is able to wave so the other can stay in pump mode.
Had this happened to anyone other than a dealbreaking kingdom I would consider it quite lame but those who ****play others are not entitled to fair play. No one is entitled to a cf to continue pump and there have been plenty of ages where kingdoms like sleepy would make all other kingdoms have to break cf to pump and prepare and either everyone would pump or one kingdom would just wave them. This is definitely an opportunistic move by SWEA and a clever one as its a great opportunity to pick up free land as no one would cry foul as the kd they do it to just dealbroke two kingdoms. Definitely a smart move, i see mansoor is learning how to play better. Dealbreakers were opportunistic and only reached this size due to dealbreaking, not to fair play so these acres arent even rightfully theirs.
This is the lesson of karma and fair play. Kingdoms who ****play others get ****played and no one cares. Pretty sure if this was some random innocent kingdom there would be community action.
Also why does this guy use "silvapwns" name, only thing he pwns at is breaking deals.
How can you say "If it happened to anyone else I would care but since it happened to that person I don't"? Either it's an acceptable thing to do or it's an unacceptable thing to do. If someone gets murdered, it shouldn't matter if they're a convict or a boy scout. It's still a murder, no? I don't have any special love for the Dealbreakers - I think Pew Pew is the better warring kingdom and would win even without the outside hits. But I dislike the way that hitting into war is apparently okay as long as it happens to the Dealbreakers only. If you're going to claim a code of honor or politics or whatever, you should actually uniformly apply it instead of only when it suits the favored kingdoms.
You are "special", aren't you? Since you are using murder in comparison to this, I will relate to make this easier for you. If someone murders an innocent person, obviously that is not okay. If someone murders Osama Bin Laden, nobody gives a ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farore
Now use this logic back into this dealbreaking kingdom. Use your brain this time.
Did I mention your welcoming spirit and winning attitudes toward newer players also help recruit and keep new players?
Seriously, it was the first analogy that popped into my head. You're entitled to your own opinion and welcome to disagree with me, but you really don't have to be such a condescending douche simply because you don't like what I'm saying.
EDIT - Also, Endub, I don't want to get into a flame war with you. This thread should be about Pew Pew's war. But feel free to send me a nasty PM if it'll make your day better, champ. ^.^
YOU can't even agree with what you're saying. By your own analogy, you think that Osama Bin Laden getting murdered and an innocent person getting murdered should be treated the same. That is insane!Quote:
Originally Posted by Farore
eh? why so bitter after ur leaders chose to WD and strike a deal. just sit back and play your province. Less QQ more Pewpew!Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
To some it is. Personally I would have much rather seen him arrested and imprisoned than killed, but this isn't about murder or terrorists. This is about utopia and I suppose that in this virtual world, where there is no governing code, might makes right. I have no problem with that, however I do have a problem with claiming to have standards and then the hypocrisy that then follows. Debauchery is no worse than any of the other top KDs. That being said, I agree with Farore, you're a douche, endub.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
I have no real problem with what is happening to Dealbreakers...but anyone saying they deserve it because of deal-breaking Abs is a little loopy. Like Abs has never used their "power" to screw over other KD's? You can look at my post count and call me a noob if you like, but I've been around long enough (my first age was Age 3) to know that there is no such thing as "Rules" at the top...there are only half-truths told long enough to gain advantage over someone else. I lost no respect for Debauchery for doing what they did, I thought it was funny. Then the way the went straightway at HoH afterwards was hilarious. Now the shoe is on the other foot...oh well. They knew what would happen in both situation, and made the choice anyways. Seems to me like they are the ones having all the fun, while everyone else is getting their panties in a huge wad...
On a side not, some of you guys who are treating the lesser known players (or newer player) like trash for voicing their opinions need to get a life. That's why most of us (me included), left the game for a while...because it's hard to have fun when everyone just wants to play by themselves like spoiled brats. You think you're special because you have name on a small-time online game that a few thousand people play? Call me when you don't live in your mom's basement... There are a lot of "pros" here who actually try and help people out around here, take a lesson from them...maybe this place will grow then.
If something is legally definable as a murder, the law still applies to the murderer no matter how much of a scumbag the victim was or how much you dislike them. This is seriously off topic though. Like I said, if you want to keep arguing with me over my opinions then PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
Of course one would rather see him imprisoned than killed. Apparently you don't know how to read. The argument was that IF he was murdered, nobody would care nearly as much as an innocent person being murdered. Also, agree it's not the same as Utopia. I wasn't the one that originally compared it.Quote:
Originally Posted by likethesilver
As for having standards, most of these top kingdoms do have them, but obviously Debauchery doesn't. Should everyone fight them fair even though they do not? If so, where do I sign up? I'll get deals with every top kingdom, break them when they're sending up banks or in **** shape, farm them, and by your logic everyone has to sit and watch. YES! One after the other. A guaranteed crown.
You're a moron.
@Farare - By the letter of the law, yes. I agree with you murder is pretty clear cut. However, I don't think many would be upset if someone who murdered Osama Bin Laden didn't get punished for it. As in relation to Utopia, I'm pretty sure SWEA won't be punished for this.
Of course they won't, they're not an unfavored kingdom, whereas everyone swears that the Dealbreakers are the scum of the server more or less. I guess my biggest confusion here is that I don't see why breaking a CF without someone's "permission" is such a huge deal. I have no problem, for instance, with Pew Pew waving Dealbreakers when what I understand is that Dealbreakers was wanting to war SWEA instead. That's just part of the game to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
Like I've stated in another thread, breaking CFs and unplanned or unasked-for waves happen all the time in the "ghetto" and people move along and either succeed or fail. It's pretty disappointing to see the "top 10", the supposed best players in Utopia, can't roll with the punches and instead must rely on elaborate webs of game-related politics and promising not to hit someone for however many days in order to succeed. (For that matter, consider how many politicians lie every day - is it any wonder that deals get broken in Utopian politics the way they do in real world politics?)
Everyone in the top 10 is kind of looking like sissies right now (no offense to my fangirl-favorites Pew Pew and AMA). I will never ever believe that Dealbreakers, or any kingdom, deserve to be hit in war by an outside kingdom for breaking a CF and waving when their target kingdom didn't want them to. Even if it means people like you, Endub, think that means my brain is switched off.
PS - At least get my name right. ^.^
Debauchery wanted to war SWEA but SWEA refused to give button, SWEA was 20% bigger, I don't blame any kingdom for not wanting to give button.
Pew said unless there is action with SWEA they will wave, Mansoor knew this.
Pew Pew waved and gave button, everyone had talks with Mansoor asking him to stop hits, he basically told everyone who tried where to stick it. He pumped, I feel bad for him sure, no qualms there, however he had a chance to hit, he knew Pew would hit if he did not, yet he did nothing.
Negotiations from Mansoor are basically "Wave us and we will then push the button whenever we're ready", full knowing they will give a long hostile while pew gave us a few waves in the mean time in exchange for a CF (which I don't blame pew for, they first waved and gave button after all).
Debauch refused to give Mansoor button and said "if you guys give us the button, even though pew pew has waved us we will push it", Mansoor refused.
Debauch basically said they will press the button on pew pew, Mansoor said he will hit into war and proceeded to hit Debauch's banks.
Debauch said they will have a min time war with pew and then open up for Mansoor, he said no tough luck.
AABS tried to talk to him, he said no.
Debauch pushed button.
Mansoor continued hits.
What more to the story is needed.
Change SWEA to kingdom x, change Debauch to kingdom y and change Pew Pew to kingdom z, and everyone would agree this is bs. Abs said "It doesn't matter who the ****playing kingdom is in the top, they want to set an example that that kind of behavior in the top is not acceptable".
All of a sudden in happens to Debauch and the story is now, oh it's acceptable if it's certain kingdoms, but if it doesn't apply to Abs whatsoever, they will look the other way.
Tell me I'm wrong?
@Farore - Got your name right. Anyways, you are correct that any kingdom can break an ingame CF any time they wish. The problem here is that both kingdoms agreed that the CF would stay in place until a certain time with. 48 hour notice deal at the end of it. If someone starts hitting before that time, they just broke their word and their word means nothing. One's word means a lot in the top 10 as does one's word in real life.
In other words, nobody in the top can trust Debauchery.
So endub if one breaks their word in age 50 are they forever branded a deal breaker? If one makes a bet or promise in uto forums and breaks it they are forever branded a deal breaker? And if dodgy action happens to them from a kingdom that had nothing to do with it, that kingdom is...ok? not okay? They are a kingdom in the top 10...what's the verdict? Seems like selective ****listing.
Who in the top can completely trust anyone? Seriously? At the end of the day only one kingdom gets crowned, not 4 kingdoms who are all good friends with each other. Even Hall of Heroes got screwed over by their good buddies Absalom and subsequently got farmed out by Dealbreakers - Debauchery. Every kingdom is ultimately playing for themselves. I don't buy into this fairy tale that everyone in the top 10 (except the dealbreakers) are all good, sterling people who never tell lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
Also, if we're going by that basis, then from what I understand Absalom as a whole has a far longer history of screwing people over and telling lies and so on than Dealbreakers do, so they deserved any broken CF they got, right?
Does this mean that I can jump on the bandwagon and get free hits on Debauchery too without any repercussions at all?
Since you see what I like to do, is when I see an ex-convict I steal their car...
And if I see a girl jay-walk then I can rape her, since you know she broke the rules first...
I really hope you've broken some rule somewhere endub because i would soooo love to bend you over and teach you a lesson you won't forget...
Sounds fair right?
You can't read either then. I said "claiming to have standards" because they obviously all have double standards, thus "the hypocrisy that follows". You're retarded, if a KD can't defend themselves if they get waved and can only be at the top if they have CFs then, IMO, they don't deserve to be at the top. The whole idea of "hey guys, time out! I need to reload. (pump/send up a bank/etc)" is bull****.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
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Originally Posted by jamin
Because swea cant win thats why. PERIOD.
Jingos. Are you Egyptian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluid
You're an idiot. I think you're possibly more of an idiot than bishopQuote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Dudeeeeeeeeeeeeee
A hyperbole is an extreme exaggeration used to make a point. It is like the opposite of "understatement". It is from a Greek word meaning "excess"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Thanks for playing Lestat
Oh so you're Greek?
No I just happen to have a reasonable education, how's yours coming along? I hear you move onto colouring in soon?
Keeping within the lines is a *****, but it's coming along nice.
Hehe I like you Lestat :-)
How's Misogyny 201 going?
And so, yet another utopia thread derails and turns into a flame war... Surprise surprise.
LOL this has to be the most off topic conversation within a thread I have seen by a country mile.
Some moron decided to give them the right to vote a while ago and ever since then it's been an uphill battle
lol, ok, back to the proper topic
*puts his troll back in the dungeon*
LOL - That was us I think.
Gentlemen, please, let's keep the flaming to SWEA, or Dealbreakers, or Pew Pew...or any kingdom at all, really.
Not complaining to be honest. I had a good laugh and I enjoyed it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not saying any alliance would particularly gain from top law enforcement, but I'd check my back for puppet strings.
-on topic- this is an interesting match up looking at kingdom pages. Even if lopsided in some regards I'd like to witness the tactics unfold. So update when you get a little breather. Thx.
Pew Pew Vs Debauchery
Talk of killing terrorist and women's suffrage are better suited for the Politics board. And let's put the excessive amount of flaming in the freezer for a little bit.
On topic, if SWEA wanted to be scummy, why not double into Havoc's war? I thought that was SWEA's big mission? To screw over Abs and kick them in the knees and stuff.
Seriously, Debauchery broke off a CF early. They ate some razes/pk's. Everyone can stop crying about it now.
If swea is double hostiling for benefit of themselves its rather scummy. If they are razing the dealbreakers then good enough. Although kinda lame to do it well after the fact... but meh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Pewpew + SWEA double hostile = okay? :p
Seems you already made up your mind before I even answered your questions, but I will attempt to anyway. If someone dealbroke in age 50 without a valid reason (example Debauchery did it just to get the upper hand in their upcoming conflict with Rage), then yes they are forever branded a dealbreaker in my eyes. If an individual makes a promise non-uto related and doesn't deliver, beat his ass and call it a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
Anyways, you play in Debauchery correct? That's why you are so damn sensitive with this. Funny.
Endub, apparently you dont know much about the real world, and just accepts whatever your media, sch or government tells you. Please read more outside what you normally read. Nobody cared about osama being killed? Wrong. The US' action have angered the muslim community, even though a lot of them wont call themselves allies with osama. And why are they angry with the US? Because they have been occupying their lands for decades and killing their countrymen. Why do you think the terrorist hate america so much? Btw, another fun fact: osama was once US' ally.Quote:
Originally Posted by endub
In all fairness, if you decide to play by top rules, i.e. accept to a binding CF with terms attached, and you break said CF, dont come crying when your actions has consequences. It is fair and refreshing to see kds not playing by "top" rules, but seriously speaking, accept a CF, break it, then be sad that people dont trust you or play "fairly" against your kd - thats double standards. I dont see Strippers complaining tbh, it is mainly outsiders with no clue giving their "valuable" assessment of the situation. Strippers knew their actions were risky, and they take whatever comes without complaining. Thats the way to do it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by likethesilver