It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Did you forget how long was your conflict TFC vs Polar Bears and how its end. You should know im good at keep grudges.
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It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Did you forget how long was your conflict TFC vs Polar Bears and how its end. You should know im good at keep grudges.
not directing this to anyone.... but i think one thing most people should learn to know is that...
there's no such thing as being nice in the whoring game.
and i quote.
[14:12] <xx> i dont like leading for various reasons, one is because i have a lot of friends everywhere ;P
[14:12] <xx> being a leader u can't be nice to others
[14:12] <xx> else u'll never win much
[14:12] <xx> it's a mean game
EDIT: (WHO WANTS TO GUESS WHO SAID THE ABOVE?!?!)
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i understand how sucky it is to be in jerks spot now, but that's the game i guess. :(
Did you Quote Proteus? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
Poor proteus always trying to be nice
I am nice
I must agree with Palem on this one. Its not about one age, this might be the 4th time it happens.
That moment when Elit lose his head and goes a bit over the line and ends up losing the crown.
In this case, its a bit to early, his chances is still good, but history will repeat itself.
AMA is thier own worst enemy.
With that said, i think its fair to say in the top that if you lose the game mechanics allows you to go at the same target again.
There is no auto cease fire for the rest of the age. But putting the blame on FB, FG or +4h hits and what not is just being silly.
AMA wants Jerks acres, they probably wanted thier acres for a long time and looked at them like one of thier best chances to crown if they pound them first, knowing they have a weaker team them AMA and might do some strat errors. Its sad to see when they cant admit, we want your acres, we dont care rly if you had max gained or not, you have people in range and you have acres to take and you are not our friends, we will come for your acres. Its not about +4h hits.
and my friends, this is why AMA is such douches, they try to dip and whine like babies when its dead clear from the start.
This is what gets under the skin of people and this is what helps AMA finish second every age.
As much as I don't like AMA I don't think they are really doing anything wrong here. Lame as it is, if the boot was on the other foot, reading some of Boss' / pendals chats, Jerks would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.
anri i dont see any ama member complaining. its jerks who post loooong stories. ama member are just lol-ing now :) how can u complain if someone serves his a** to you well lubricated on a silver plate?
I would likely, err not likely, i WOULD do the same thing to Jerks. The point is that Jerks was AMAs chance all along and making excuses to get round 2 is what is silly. Game allows this kind of play and its been like this forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivic
If the move itself will pay off is a risk calculation, short term, it will pay off, longterm it might not. Its still the best chance AMA have this age and ofc they should go for it without a doubt. Just cutt all the BS and do it. I dont even see the need for hours of diplomacy.
AMA and Jerks have a past, you want to be douches to each other and gain every single acre you can from a conflict or stop the other KD from getting any more acres.
The fact that AMA is lol-ing like you say just makes you look worse.
This cant be compared to pewpew giving you a cease fire or any other conflict either, you want acres and if pewpew would have had the time and felt it was proper move they would have came for a second round early age vs ama also. That move had probably been bad for both pewpew and ama and this is why it never happend. In this case ama has a chance to gain acres and its a solid chance they just have to take no matter what happend in the past and it sure as hell got nothing to do with +4h hits.
This is why you may be lol-ing at Jerks but the rest of the server is lol-ing at you guys.
Whatever is been said about me/boss/tetley, truth is that we would have cfed AMA for free if we have won and of story. So this is the reason me and our players do not understand why AMA are so greedy after they showed they are stronger and beat us in war. Maybe it was my mistake I didn't ally with several kingdoms before start of age to make sure there wont be situations like this.
Anyway it is clear that AMA will take what land they want the relation system allows it. What we can do is to make them pay for it in some way as much nubs as we are :-)
I did go mad last night at cello, maybe a bit overreacted since it is just a game but hell their attitude is bad and noone can prove it else.
And to Anri words - I totally agree here, AMA just can not admit they are greedy and want more land on the top of the 15k they got from our war..... pathetic isn't it.
Well they are stronger this age ( i hope this is the last age of this game when I see 4.5k players in the survey) so I guess we live to it.
Question is what other kingdoms in top would do about this when it is clear AMA try to force farm their way to the top?
As last attempt I call in all friends on the server -Please start hitting/razing ama if we gona sink lets bring them with us :-)
ANd yes I call in for help cause AMA leaders are bullies and behave like **** so they deserve the razes and the hits on them, thanks to all friends willing to help.
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Originally Posted by Pendel1
My god you're one patethic person. Go back to being a mediocre midtier kingdom if you cant handle the politics at top and the powerplaying. What they are doing is pretty reasonable, you pissed them off now they demand acres for a CF, that as well its quite common practice.
actually i agree with your last posts - b2b is really lame and smacking the weak always disgust me personaly. but the truth is that jerks showed disrespect to ama in many cases so what happens now is reasonable. you are right also for the lost chances this age - but its not a problem. lets say ama members are quite used to be 2nd :)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
TLTRQuote:
Originally Posted by Pendel1
short story: AMA are beating us badly, PLEASE RAZE THEM GANGBANG THEM, FAIR PLAY!!! :)))
I been allied to Jerks for 30 ages or something, lost the count or i am not in touch with how quick the ages pass by.
With that said, we wont interfere because we would only intefere when its safe to say that AMA breaches some kind of deal or powerplayed in a way that we would feel should not be done. All love to Jerks, but there is not much that can be done here.
If AMA would drop us relations we would FG/FB/Amnesia and hit thier low end to slow them and make them weaker for a future top fight they might have. But making any move such as GB and help out is uncalled for. I dont back away when i see a need for something and if a breach is clear, like when they dealbroke CR. But there is nothing to go on here. This is just normal top play. My problem is mostly with the BS they say to justify it when it should been clear from the start they will come for round 2 if there is more to profit from a conflict. Just do what you can to slow them down. Jerks just aint ready yet.
Palem knows how this is done with slowing others down, i still remember when i farmed out TFC to get the smallest chance of crowning and in the end had to beg Palem to stop opsing us. Make sure that AMA is sitting ducks that lose explore pool and time/economy and you have all ready won on your own Pendel1.
GL
Maybe Jerks understands now why RBL razed down :P
Compared to what AMA offered RBL for a CF last age, this is quite reasonable of AMA. We was offered:
"25% of your land or a war with no guarantee of a CF afterwards (could of B2B)". AMA refused to give us a guarantee of no b2b hence we chose our own demands which ultimately I believe cost AMA another crown.
Regarding the excuses for round 2. Wasnt it said already that there could be a CF for land to prevent round 2? Aka quite obvious we want their acres? Its just that the past stuff makes a difference in the amount i guess.
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Originally Posted by Anri
Cello is soft with demands! Shoulda demanded way more!
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Originally Posted by American Badass
I dont think that the bad blood is the reason for all of this. If the blood was so bad, the revenge would have been executed 2 ages ago, starting age 61. I think you very well know Jerks dont give free acres, thats why the demands were lowered to try and get them safely while being able to start using the pool right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnirpsneR
I think auto-demanding 8-10% acres from a KD you just warred and beat is pretty aggressive move. I think you would be offended by it too if the roles had been reversed.
For the sake of diplomacy and reaching your intended goal of getting the acress "hassle free", a CF option for 1-2 weeks post-war to allow Jerks to readjust sizes would have been the way to go. Its easier to cover the acre loss if you can spread it out evenly after getting back on your feet.
That being said, i have no stock invested in either kd, but it is semi-saddening to see 2 former allies being so aggressive towards eachother.
Dont have time to reply to all atm but will give short answer to MrCurious .
If Jerks did like normal KD WD on min time here wont be any problems and we was ready for give them CF. Problem is they decide to play it "smart" and gather his army for max gains after min time on our top land provinces and expect after it we will let them go. Here is no reason for let them keep acres we can take back. They had option for set it easy way but told us: we prefer to fight. Now this will end after second war end. I don't have any intention for CF them for any amount land. Ever if they offer me 70% from his land...
This is BS, see my other posts. Elit would have came for the land no matter what so Jerks max gaining is nothing out of the ordinary. "If jerks did like a normal KD and WD on min time". Well, thats just what they did, what any KD normaly does. This is where the BS comes into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
No one buys that you would not have wanted thier acres afterwards anyway.
Dont put the guilt and blame on Jerks and try to justify it by various reasons.
Just say it like it is, you want thier acres. End of story.
See Elits last post and my last post <--Quote:
Originally Posted by SnirpsneR
Omg guys! It is simple as f*ck. Jerks doing max gain wave before wd is fine, doing it on our top provinces is not ok for use cause it damages our long term positioning. If they had waved core i doubt we would have gone after them as core (uds mainly) can regain the land easily, even it would have been better fot ehm cause they can hit x2 a day, not wait for permission to hit. What i think we can do better in future conflicts is state the options before end of war. Don't act post factum :). Except for 3-4 kds, all other will try to f*ck u up :).
I dont buy it. Elit would have came for Jerks acres for as long as there is anything to gain from them in a reasonable amount of time/effort. Thus again, i call BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
You dissed Artosis based on what you "heard about him", I can't take you seriously now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
anri, as you said going agressively after a kd which has nothing to lose usually costs the chances of a crown. then where is the reason for elit to screw himself no matter what? the b2b was not planned from the beginning because it is not worthy for the kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
i think you hate elit too much for unknown for me reason and this biases your perception of any conflict where ama is involved.
Usually people that raze down cant hack it in the top and are unable to interact with opponents who come for their land. Maybe you shouldn't be lame with your FairPlay alliance demanding ama raze their cows or go 25 green after you GB them and next age you get caught pants down abusing gameQuote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Mechanics with your n00b friends in havoc and people wouldn't want to own and embarass you. In the end you embarassed yourselves when you reset and people laughed at you as you confirmed your kd/leadership is ghetto.
I remember talking you the age you stole crown from AMA after they protected you all age by arranging farm war with a much smaller kd because you weren't good enough to win on your own. You told me your kd and especially your leadership isnt any worse than AMA, that made me lol so hard, one of the funniest laughs in my life aside from the time evildragons came back and sucked hard. You clearly are a ghetto monarch as korp said, ama took you 1v1 with being down 1 sided dragon and less gc than you and went for b2b, you cant handle it and call in for gb because you dont like the game mechanics. No one is obligated to cf after war. If you were as good as ama as you claimed perhaps you can handle the situation better and not cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendel1
You missed the point where elit said they didnt just wait min time but times it to hit AMAs biggest provs (land that cant he whored back). This is also a strategic move which is fine but they can also expect ama to be upset after this and want to build land back on their bigs if they have the ability oow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Really depends what alternatives are, how cfs are setup, etc. sometimes basedQuote:
Originally Posted by Anri
On overall situation juice is worth the squeeze sometimes it isnt.
You guy what was funny. I remember parth and evildragons vultured AMA right after their war from a better position with cows and gc stocks. Ama still farmed parth and went for b2b and then parth cried that AMA was vulturing him. This was such Lols as how can you vulture someone you just warred and have equal eowcf protection
You tried, no need to be embarrassed for how badly that flopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I remember just fine, but just because you acted slimy quite a few ages ago, doesn't mean I would sabotage my own kds goals just to ****play you in return. That's apparently the difference between you and I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Anri being the reasonable one...what have the forums come to...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
There's a reason AMA hasn't crowned, it isn't their stellar roster and top notch war strategy.
Because someone did something that Elit didn't agree with. This happens on a nearly age-by-age basis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivic
To be fair, I'm not into SC at all, so at least I knew who he was lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Avenger
Fond memories :P I've actually been able to experiance that a few times this age from ghetto land when KDs forget about the danger of giving ops to tiny KDs when they have more important things to worry about. But a KD full of faries, you were just crazytownQuote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I think costing AMA a crown was 10x more funny for us :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
But its true, you dont know what you are talking about. You think you but thats two different things.Quote:
You tried, no need to be embarrassed for how badly that flopped.
lol, anyone that does anything mean towards Palem is ****playing. :(Quote:
I remember just fine, but just because you acted slimy quite a few ages ago, doesn't mean I would sabotage my own kds goals just to ****play you in return. That's apparently the difference between you and I.
Apparently all it takes to be reasonable to Palem is agreeing with him. Its obvious that the reason they havent crowned is due to them having a set of princples others kds lack otherwise they would have been able to crown few times quite easy.Quote:
Anri being the reasonable one...what have the forums come to...
There's a reason AMA hasn't crowned, it isn't their stellar roster and top notch war strategy.
BUt its all good, keep living in your delusional world. :)
No, I could really care less. I can name plenty of dirty **** that's been done to me, but it's mostly remembered to remind myself not to trust X too much. I was just using elit's terminology. I generally think all it fair (outside of like actual cheating)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I'm the delusional one for pointing out reality?Quote:
Its obvious that the reason they havent crowned is due to them having a set of princples others kds lack otherwise they would have been able to crown few times quite easy.
BUt its all good, keep living in your delusional world. :)
What part of what I said doesn't line up with what you just said, other than the completely biased vocabulary you used?
-People do things that don't match up with Elit's "values"
-Elit targets them, usually either sidetracking their goals of winning, or directly costing them
-AMA loses
How does this topic have anything to do with any "values" specific to Elit? Even Anri said that he'd have acted in exactly the same way.. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Even tho he still tries to make it sound like they somehow did wrong regardless. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
It often costs him the crown but also makes other surroundings suffer. While a KD likes BB just slides under the radar and goes to crown. It must be a pleasure to be BB sometimes, knowing that every age if they keep thier cool AMA will lose thier heads so BB can safely move towards crowning. The joker in all of this is Pyromaniacs that likely also screws up by wasting to much effort on CR. Hope flogger is laughing, he should.
Bad dip by AMA, bad moves overall.
I am Anri and i am Simians, thats how we would treat our enemy and play it. Thats also the reason we would not crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
Same reason that makes Elit not able to crown.
My point is that for someone like Elit that is powerhungry and wants to crown every age he makes bad moves.
I would make the move full knowing its a bad move because i would like to hurt my enemy. This fool, he wants to crown but cant keep his cool. Big difference.
Why so much drama from anri and palem?
Jerks did his "strategy move" for get more land before WD and we did our Strategy move for come round 2 and take back acres. Its part from game after diplo fail.
Say how this will cost us crown is silly because all age CR/BB/Pyro/Pew had much better chance for it.
You know from long i don't have very high opinion for you and last age you proved me again. How disband your kd is better from war another KD after they gave you 1 week for free so you can prepare? Its simple lame and dumb. Its easy for talk how AMA is bully but we regular give other kds extra time for prepare and every time when some one can vulture us he is doing it and not give me 1 days extra for prepare. Its very "fair and honorable" when we get vulture but its "lame" when we give extra time for prep and war us. Pure retard logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
I would give up any amount of acres if it'd lead to me being able to move on and fight another war. Don't understand why you'd decline that. Jerks aren't going to crown this age, so might aswell just bend over. In fact, I'd offer them 3 times the amount of acres if they'd leave me alone next age aswell.
Excuses is a part of diplomacy but even more so of internal rationalization, so I don't blame AMA for finding a casus belli, whether it's Jerks holding weapons of mass destruction or something else. This is not so much important for the outside world as it is to create a sense of injustice INSIDE the kd that needs to be rectified, thereby rallying everyone to the same cause to "avenge" the wrongs done to them. Every indidivual might know that what they're doing is not kosher, but they will never en plain publique communicate it and thus the public opinion will remain that what they're doing is right.
Jerks are not worth to compare with other top kingdoms as you said we suck but we have whooped them big time, so what does it tell. Last age they thought they will bottomfeed on us. they were 20 to 25% bigger than us, in NW and in Land, it was about 10K difference, so we were something over 40K acres and they had 10K more without any cows. We wiped their ass and got what we deserved, a win.
This age they already forgot last age whooping, but they tried to prepare better. They came to bottom feed us in aggressive stance having close to 60K acres when we had 45K acres. We gave them little wave back taking lot more and also we would have warred them as we knew how weak they really are, but these tiny cowards escaped to fortified stance and started pumping. They tagged themselves to be related to us..WTF, we wanted war so we moved on and went after 2 different kingdoms but both scared away, but we gave one of them button. Anyway after week pumping Jerks came out of FF being allready over 25K acres bigger than us and then sent us dragon that was started earlier and waved us just tick before other kingdom declared us. Now we already know that Jerks are "helping" x:x to get easy wins. This is not first time and obviously many in utopia knows that. If any of you want to get papers to see, then I'd gladly share, just give me contact and I show you Jerks style of play, nothing but losers :). And x:x you must be proud :D
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1) I have a romance for uto dramaQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
2) I am bored
3) I dont like you
I rest my case
Why Tetley missed to make topic about all this and ask community for his view :P
Not surprised so far Jerks is not well know with his "honorable play".
Do you have nightmares and wake up middle night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I had one that involves your mom but lets not go there ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Counter question:
Does binar and pewpew give you nightmares?