Zauper/munk. Does umunk keep a historical data of your province news?
Don't think province news goes that far back
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Zauper/munk. Does umunk keep a historical data of your province news?
Don't think province news goes that far back
I'm enjoying the fact that pyro is forgetting matching us dragon for dragon. please post the war logs and you'll see how many dragons we funded.
Yes, yes it does. It helps maintain my revenge list.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
Let me invalidate this quickly... Man all of that gold we stole from emeriti... just to be as good as pyro. We MUST cheat if we beat the almighty pyro.Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
Feb24YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun a Emerald Dragon project against us!
Feb24YR0 Our kingdom has begun a Emerald Dragon project targetted at HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs).
Mar7YR0 A Emerald Dragon from HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun ravaging our lands!
0(outsiders) - 1(pyro)
Mar7YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun a Emerald Dragon project against us!
Mar8YR0 Our dragon has set flight to ravage HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs)!
1(outsiders) - 1(pyro)
Mar8YR0 Our kingdom has begun a Emerald Dragon project targetted at HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs).
Apr7YR0 Our dragon has set flight to ravage HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs)!
2(outsiders) - 1(pyro)
Apr10YR0 Our kingdom has begun a Emerald Dragon project targetted at HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs).
Apr10YR0 A Emerald Dragon from HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun ravaging our lands!
2(outsiders) - 2(pyro)
Apr10YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun a Emerald Dragon project against us!
Apr10YR0 White Castle has slain the dragon ravaging our lands!
Apr21YR0 A Emerald Dragon from HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun ravaging our lands!
2(outsiders) - 3(pyro)
Apr21YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun a Sapphire Dragon project against us!
May2YR0 Our dragon has set flight to ravage HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs)!
3(outsiders) - 3(pyro)
May6YR0 Our kingdom has begun a Emerald Dragon project targetted at HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs).
May11YR0 White Castle has slain the dragon ravaging our lands!
May13YR0 A Sapphire Dragon from HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun ravaging our lands!
3(outsiders) - 4(pyro)
May13YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has begun a Sapphire Dragon project against us!
Jun16YR0 Our dragon has set flight to ravage HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs)!
4(outsiders) - 4(pyro)
Jun20YR0 Our kingdom has begun a Ruby Dragon project targetted at HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs).
Jun22YR0 HOSTILE (Pyrobabiacs) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!
It would be nice if they were datestamped at least
You know why bombdickie didnt dare to show the date? because it is completely made up.
That could just be his own message to himself on two cellphones. It dont prove where the message originated from and fro what cellphone number and who the receipient of the message was.
Even under the law such vague and unsupported evidence is inadmissible.
This goes to show bombdickie is wiling to cook up anything just to throw mud on Emeriti. Do you still want to believe his lies?
Spin more lies BombDICKIE.
I'm really happy someone from our kd (outsiders) posted the dragon info. Goes to show one thing: neither pyro or outsiders funneled any money during our war. Now if we can get all this BS propaganda to stop, so the whole server ca realize the absolute truth about what is happening here, that would be great. Outsiders beat pyro fair and square (pyro WD with an acre lead they could not maintain cod they sent the sapphire). Since then, pyro and BB doubled teamed emeriti, and we jumped in to help them out. Any kd in utopia that was unfairly double teamed would like to think that basic ethics would mean other honorable kds would even the odds. That's what we have done. Since then we have now bee doubled teamed by pyros mates. No compaints on our end about that. We will fight both kingdoms head on.
A full human kingdom that has ToG is able to afford 4 dragons. We had 2x peasant lead and full tog kingdom, how did you afford 4 dragons? None of you have answered this question yet. How did you keep up with a kingdom where 18 province can tree of gold and not only does your kingdom NOT have that, but had half the peasants.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThRaZe
You've really hit the absolute truth there. So unfair.... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by ThRaZe
Can someone answer this (or theoretically. I'm very interested on the strat to do this.)?Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
we have 7 ToG'rs, this is a yr0 war so barely any runes to greed us, no riots. we were 50% wages through the whole thing. Now, please explain where you got the gold for 4 dragons, BB feed you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kappa_
The conflict with Pyro lasted 4 days..
I was an early age war. Early age wars, PPA is higher, and NWPA is lower.
This makes dragon funding a lot quicker in both directions - cheaper dragons and more peasants on provinces then normal.
Pyro's setup obviously has more TOG, but the notion that we had less peasants when they had setup all but 2 of their faeries as hitters and .. just no. I'm not sure if they were on 50% of our peasants by the end - it may have been only 40% of our peasants or perhaps as high as 66% of our peasants.
Pyro most certainly didn't have a peasant lead, but they did have more TOG. Pretty easy to see how the dragons were even///
We had FBed their 2 offensiveless cows down to 1k peasants and we were chastity locking everything. We were getting 6 hour chastities with the elf bonus + high guilds early age... pretty easy to figure out who wont he peasant battle.
The reason Pyro got a dragon lead going was because we bottlenecked on runes at the start having dumped ops onto Pyro right after the dumped pool and went fort(aka nuking the peasants of the xplored provs to 1k and locking them with chast). It took us about a day into war to get the elves ops going again and once we did it the depopulation was on.
Pyro effective had 1 faery sage with good tpa, 1 faery rogue with good tpa, and not many other ops to speak of because the rest of the faerys were setup as hitters.
We had 6 Elf mystics setup as pure T/M...
And Bomb, I really hope you live in the US, because I will 100% sue you for libel.
There isn't any point asking Pyro where they got their dragon gold... I have no evidence to think they got funneled GC and I'm not a lying POS who makes **** up for propaganda purposes. Maybe they did but I don't know that for a fact... no point to stoop to Pyro's level.
Hmm...
I think Leo said it best:
So we all know you are an alliance now, I was extremely surprised at the ability for you to fund dragons, and then someone comes to us telling us (trolling us?) that you received gold from Emeriti. I guess at this point with regards to the gold I can see it happening and I can potentially see it not happening. But then I think to myself, why would it not happen? You guys are already an alliance and a real dirty one at that. I won't give you the benefit of the doubt, whether it happened or not.Quote:
(1) Is it not too much of a coincidence that the 2 kingdoms that warred BB and Pyro (as you said, growth kingdoms are easy to find) are the 2 that come to Emeriti's aid? (Plus, of course, the other kingdom that started it all). Is it right for the game if, in an alternate timeline, BB was trying to grow with a late-age set-up, lost their first war, and Emeriti saunters to the crown with their early acre lead? I didn't consider this initially, but sending loosely allied kingdoms out as hatchetman (later said to be Absalom's modus operandi to begin with) to delay competitors while being able to deny all responsibility seems to be at least shady (if "legal" within the loose utopia framework of what's acceptable and what's not). If the situation hadn't blown up, nobody would have realised that they are aligned with Emeriti.
TRUTH:
PYRO IS TRYING TO DISGUISE THEIR LOST TO OUTSIDERS BY FALSELY ALLEGING THAT OUTSIDERS HAD GC HELP FROM EMERITI.
Pyro is guilty for the very CRIME that they are alleging outsiders/emeriti to be doing, perhaps Pyro was the one that got GC help from BB and they assumed other kd STOOP so low to their level. NOOB!
Morder44 is absolutely right.
Man stop trying to find reasons to justify PYRO's lost man. You lost to a better kd. so just stfu and move along and stop trying to find conspiracy theory and find fault with Emeriti, BOMBDICKIE.
Well, Pyro and Outsiders should war again after this "AWAR".
I still don't believe in losses when you have net acre gain. We exited the war to explore, simple as that - Outsiders was jobbing for Emeriti and so would basically stay in war with us indefinitely to not allow us to explore. You are just very angry and what I'm doing is working on you, its almost too easy on you (for real).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pr0fanity
Emeriti went full sage and in order to get the lead it needed for a crown it sent its alliance dogs at the only remaining competition left in the game. There are only 3 of us now.
You all got caught red handed, and the game is now forever changed to that of alliances and alliance wars (at a much smaller scale then before).
So you do you live in the US? If you do I am going to pay the process server more to take a picture of your face when he hands you the paperwork. =)
LOL What? Okay, see you in small claims court I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by mordon44
:) I'm a newbie who's just reading all these. Thanks for the info tho, very interesting read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollopoint
Anyways, can anyone from BB answer his question?
Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for general damages for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
Meaning you might be in for more then you bargained for, considering you have already admitted to Malice Point Blank. I would contact an attorney now and seek advice if I were you.
If pyro is willing to drop to within our range, I'm sure we'd be happy to war them again. Could be a different outcome this time, who knows... But we beat them fair and square. I don't see why people think pyro are so hard to beat. We beat them with econ control. It was a hard war, won with a simple strat. We have had good ages, and bad ones... Yet never once called for help from friendly kingdoms. We've also never been asked to help anyone. What we do/have done are off our own merits. People can say what they will, but we've worked damn hard to become the kingdom we are... Without anyone's assistance.
Also, this has been mentioned before, but how could we job for emeriti when we/nobody knew pyros location? I just don't understand this part...
Seems like u are the only kingdom. The rest of the kingdoms in the server do not have ethics u mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThRaZe
I believe pyro will have the button to declare right? But do u need to drop nw? Will that be named as farm war and despised upon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slickdevil
Who is outsider? First time I heard of it. Is it any fusion of previous old disband kingdom?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThRaZe
99% of the server is unaware of any if this, as they either don't frequent the forums, or don't give a rats what re aholes from the unobtainable top tier get up to. The other 1% of the server are either complete and utter idiots, or are defending what is right against said idiots. -- in signing out now. No longer going to explain myself to that .5%. Peace out.
Conversations like "hey, we're looking to wave, have any suggestions?" Can easily happen between two people and no one involved on either side would be any the wiser. As long as those two people never tell anyone ya can deny all ya want. Made sure to show plenty of times already that everything will be denied until proven otherwise, then it'll be rationalized.
The only thing for sure is that its highly coincidental and that abs hasnt earned the benefit of the doubt.
Too many coincidences in this AWAR..
Coincidences are just that; coincidences.
That being said, no one farms gold out the first week of the age, and no one runs enough thieves oop to rob it. Emeriti has no toggers, its unlikely they had gold.
Then again 3 weeks ago i woulda said no one hits people in eow protection, so what do i know?
Emeriti had no prior relationship with meep at all until this started. I've never even talked to him. I know Mordon and he is an old friend but I hadn't talked to him this age until after his war vs pyro was over. It was only then that he came on IRC to talk to me for the first time (his kingdom uses Slack). He said that he didn't want to go on IRC to talk to me earlier because he worried I'd say his setup was bad or try and talk him out of it pre-age.
It was in this conversation that I said I heard (loc he warred) was Pyro. He was very surprised.
He picked his target himself without talking to Emeriti or me about it and he didn't know Emeriti's loc so for all he knew he could have been waving Emeriti. I posted the log excerpt in another thread on this already.
bombdigie, you should know by now that your posts arent really helping your alliance alot. i may not be the first 1 that tells you this, but almost everyone i've talked to from your side thinks you're really trying too hard to flame emeriti+friends...
i paid very close attention to this war between outsiders and fpyro at the start of the age.. mainly because I was still debating at that point of time whether sillies should take revenge on fpyro for their stupid play end of last age.. sillies had won a min time oop war by 48th hour after oop, and we were considering paying back.
outsiders were basically always 40-50% acres lower than fpyro, but was only ~10% nw smaller. dragging up stats from umunk
fpyro was at 16049acres and 1,364,826 nw prior to withdrawal on June 16.
outsiders was at 11021acres and 1,216,903 nw prior to their war win on June 16.\
that's a difference of 5028 acres and 147,923 nw in favour of fpyro
1 empty acre is 15nw, 1 acre under construction is 40nw, 1 built acre is 55nw. Assuming the acre lead was 1/3 empty acres and 2/3 built acres.. that's about 208,500 nw more in 'acres' value.
+147,923 - 208,500 = -60,577nw
it's very difficult to understand how fpyro could have twice more peasants than outsiders, let alone having more peasants than ousiders. it seems clear to me that fpyro had lesser peasants/military.
i also checked up emeriti stances during the course of your war (march 22nd to june 16)
march 16th - april 18th : aggressive
april 18th - june 2nd : fort
june 2nd - june 16th : aggressive
1 dragon costs about ~1.6mil gc at that point in time. as what flogger has mentioned, i highly doubt any kingdom (especially whoring kingdom) has 1.6mil gc spare at the start of the age. emeriti has dwarf sage core.. and that means no tog , which makes this harder. even if emeriti has that amount of gc.. no provinces would have the TB to take in that amount of aid and drop his thieves to be robbed.
if it happened, it has to be done across at least 5-6 provinces or more... which i really doubt 5-6 provinces would drop their thieves.. and even if those provinces were running low rtpa.. how much can you steal from a province outside of your war?
with these stats, i'm highly doubtful whether what you stated.. i believe that the leaders of the kingdoms of bbpyro&friends are also doubtful.
being a friend to you (we have talked on whatsapp on certain issues before), I really advise you to think before you post
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ofc, if the ultimate truth is that outsiders actually stole gc from emeriti to fund their wars. i'll immediately step in to raze emeriti. and i will definitely eat my words. but it's just doubtful that this happened
Hey dip****, we were in war ourselves. gtfoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollopoint
assuming perfect NW range, a thief will yield 40 gc per thief sent. Through war that number is 10. Absolutely no one in that kingdom was probably within half of emeriti's NW since they explored ASAP, so lets say the gains are roughly 5. Most provinces will have between 500-1000 thieves at that stage so you are looking at 2500-5000gc per rob, max. If in Fort that's 1250-2500gc per rob. Its basically impossible to farm gold that early through war and fortified.
As CJ said, please stop making things up, it does not help. We have more than enough legitimate things to complain about.
Why would Emeriti need outside help to take out BB? BB is NOT a force to be reckon with and let alone Pyro. so what are you on about? Is BB thinking that they are such a big threat?
BB has meagre warring skills and put to put against any decent warring kd, they would crumble like ashes. And i dont even know where to start with pyro given that they have **** played so many kds in the past, akin to debauchery.
I have said it before and ill say it again, Pyro is doing this dirty job because they cant handle the lost to Outsiders. They think they are so good and once they have lost, they find excuses. Just like my war against The Fantastic Troll Fags ages ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
lolwut -.- the amount of ignorance is unreal. tsk tsk bomb
Well I for one thought this was pretty funny!
Hooray bombdigie!
tldr: op's lying.
If anything it goes to show how much lies pyro members spout and spin, the hilarious parts are that they themselves have stolen from once friendly allies like CJ and have never gotten punished for it and yet ask the server to punish a lie they spin! Really now, just when you think they can't go any lower!