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Where's the Odd guy?
He spent on a new recruit page. The money shots wear him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
Can someone pluck some munk charts over here. Curious to see nw graphs of emeriti and settlers over the last week.
On a side note
#kachinggg
Emeriti with their classic move of getting caught with their pants down on purpose so they can engage a ghetto and try to leapfrog past #1. (Exhibit Chrystal)
Strat0, Do you watch Critical Role on Geek and Sundry? If not, it's D&D with voice actors every thursday at 10est on twitch tv. I have a blast watching it.
#Fel2CR #FreeFel #Cello>Zauper
I feel like I haven't spoken to Cello in weeks, at this stage I am unsure if he even play in Cellos RepublicQuote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I knew someone was going to come with this. Our ghetto age can be compared to their ghetto age and vice versa. If we start comparing apples with peaches we may as well go back in time to that time were one of the Absalom did X to me and another time did Y to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Wait, you're mad at us now because I told you (or rather, Leshrak) what would happen? LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Here's a snippet of my WA convo with Leshrak. Just in case he didn't share this. Sceenshots can be provided as well in case anyone doubts the legitimacy of the log below:
So I ended up giving CR. And I would have given Pyro, but Pyro asked me to give Pyro's share to CR due to a deal between CR and Pyro after their war.Quote:
Originally Posted by WA convo protector & leshrak
So sure, you can be butthurt about it, but we did exactly what I told you what would happen. It's your own fault for being greedy.
Oh, as for stalling. Why complain others do it? It's something you commonly do. I sent a message 24h into my EOWCF, your monarch, Mithras, said to talk to Leshrak on IRC. Got the typical busy busy response from Leshrak and diplomacy got stalled up until the day we would exit EOWCF.
Figure we'd just wave someone for war, we did, then you waved as soon as that kingdom offered a CF.
hahahaha that happened to us. calle made a dumb hit into x:x and we had to start hitting them back or we would be screwed. so erv myself and kremlin all tried to contact leshrak dorje and mithras for over 24 hours to stop them from hitting until we were finished. all of a sudden they were inactive, then they decide to get active and hit us while our troops are out on x:x and we were hostile. so not only did they hit into our hostile while our troops were out they now ruin our war with settlers. so again emeriti. i guess that gangbang taught them nothing.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psfd48caa8.jpg
In a way, I think this is how it's supposed to be. Ethics are like bringing a horse to water.
^ Just ask BoH: and thank you for the headsup about D&D on twitch. - from us ~ we bravely charged into the chamber toward a ghost standing over 2 stories tall. the ghost pointed a finger at the warlord and he fell in his place, dead. we immediately all hid behind rocks.
wow. some people really think so full of themselves.
Why does this have to be a bad thing though?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ngkol
Ultimately, jd's list of explanations falls short.
Last age, jdorje told me that we were going dwarf because dwarf was the best at getting farm wars -- and it proved to work, as less than a month into the age, we secured a farm war with a much weaker kingdom (fluffy). And we did it by having significantly less military than them. It's a proven strategy for farm wars, and the fact that they had equal nw means that Emeriti had significant enough gc stocks to train way the hell past them with only 24h of fort -- as we see currently, with Emeriti pushing a 50% NW advantage over them.
At the end of the day, Emeriti realized that they were going to get farmed (by us) and went looking for any excuse to try to dodge. That's why the initial excuse was 'oh, they stole 50-100M from us', and then it turned into 'well, clearly they would wave us and farm us' -- we all know that if they had waved, since they had no one in range of Emeriti's top, Emeriti might have lost a little bit of core land over the course of the war (but probably not) but would have gained significant pool -- a huge win for them, especially since they should have been going fort around then to prep for us anyway. It's like they're pretending to not realize that land under the whore cap is irrelevant or significantly less valuable than land above it.
The difference between this and us farming Emeriti? Emeriti knew conflict was coming for the last 2 weeks and failed to prep well. It's hard to blame their failure to lower their science rate on anyone but them. Dorje's prov -- an 8k calf -- had 2mil gc on hand 48h before they went fort. It had 12m on hand when they went fort. It wasn't into issues of getting robbed, it was purely overinvesting in science.
It's unclear what Emeriti thinks they're going to get out of this at this point. They're just getting fatter for us to farm, and their gains are being throttled as they continue to bully a ghetto.
They're claiming we're involved so that they can try to leverage a deal from us as part of CFing Settlers, but that's not going to happen -- unless it includes 20% of their land. Dorje even recognized yesterday that it's a silly claim, because if we were allies or involved, we would have just told Settlers to CF them, as we knew we were going to farm Emeriti. All we did was tell Settlers that Emeriti was going to dodge us by waving them, which unsurprisingly turned out to be true.
#forfeitfel
BTW just an update on the damage from Emeriti...
** The kingdom of X:XX **
Total land exchanged: +8,358 (63/4)
And yeah, this is the world I live in. 4 hits from us on them, two fails that both moved the meter. All sent by people who simply refused to listen.
Meter is 115/6 right now.
...you mean last age when you recruited people to help based on their grievances with what happened to them previously with abs? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by protector
You don't get to just have completely absolve yourself from the consequences because everybody's not together. I'm sure Emeriti is fully aware of which leaders were either behind or supported their gangbang, and if you were one of those leaders you'd be absolutely insane to expect to deserve anything resembling "friendly" treatment.
I went umunk to check nw charts a bit. It seems like settlers and emeremeriti had kinda close nw at 1 point, with settlers probably having more military.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Whether or not is it the egg or the chicken, I'm unsure.
The GB was done because we had proof of their friends razing us into EOWCF to help Emeriti's cause and they refused to suffer proper punishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The players that played in Emeriti's ghetto age, used to play/lead different Absalom kingdoms and several of them have ****played me one or more times in the past, yet this silly ghetto kingdom was given a free CF.
When we do we gb bb?
I'm down like syndrome
I'm not going to wade through the hundreds of pages, but I do recall a post from either yourself or flogger saying something along the lines ofQuote:
Originally Posted by protector
Along with all of the other people that confirmed that they were helping out because of their past experiences with Absalom, as well as the 500-750 pages of discussion that went into whether or not Emeriti and it's leaders should accept the fact that they're tied to absalom so that their being gangbanged because of Abs would be justified.Quote:
Here's how we recruited. We went into pub chans and said "ASF and jdorje suck. Help us GB them"
I was already starting to believe in the drama free age dream but rest assured where there's acres that's where Emeriti and drama will be.
GBs of Abs dont have to be justified just like Chrystal farm outs don't have to be.
#GBAbsOrReleaseFel
This all could have been avoided and they pump in peace about 5-6 days before any of this. I asked for cf with notice, around yr6-7+72. Was decline with terms of 2 full waves with hits on certain banks and t/m plus other hits. I mean in hindsight a cf to allow you to avoid this would have been a much better option.
It couldnt have been avoided, if they agreed to terms abs would change something in it before confirming, diplomats would disappear, or pull some other bs from endless list they pulled 100 times over and stalled. Eventually they would still wave them in the end to try and dodge CR.
* I know Zauper, but I like seeing Emeriti commentary. I get ASMR from Emeriti social visits.
So we need to be a little quiet and patient. (whispers) look, there's one now.
* reference post #53, page 4.
That is their fault not ours. Emeriti told me of their cf expiring with CR soon and I didn't want to be the scapegoat. Failed hard.
On which ground? For slacking too hard? Let us slack in peace you silly dutch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SnirpsneR
Yaaaawn, same old **** eh? I see a bunch acting like little children over a game, he said she said they did we do... Its like watching a kindergarden group on the playground.
That moment you realize that this happens in everyday life and not just on the playground.
It's good if Aranfein doesn't suffer the RL exposure to the likes of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by elixer
I can tell you in my sector the zombie apocalypse has essentially already happened, lol. It's not as scary but is far more disappointing :-) in this world you have to live with 'em.
elixir no doubt it happens in everyday life, grownups tend to sugarcoat things a bit more then what is seen here though and to a lesser degree, depending where in the world you are.
What im saying is, its the same 5/6 players that seem to talk the same **** over and over again age in age out about how someone bullied them in age 15 or age 23 and now deserve everything they got coming blah blah blah... The fact that they make deals with the same people that dealbreak or ****play and then get surprised when it happens again just make it all seem like a big cluster fck of being naive or outright dumb.
fair enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
to be fair Angels i dont think emeriti ever ****played Settlers. now if we were just screwing around like the past two ages i wouldnt care one bit. i have stated end of last age that i wouldnt be leading or the stew. ervgotti is monarch and kremlin is the stew. also that we would be playing for serious this age. we have not ****played anyone. our guys were excited about another war with settlers. as was i since i played with a ton of them back in our VnV days.
so now emeriti ruins settlers fun and ours. they ignore hostiles but in the same turn expect CR to respect theirs. so yeah its not the same old ****. i was in some ghetto not knowing a thing about how to run a decent prov back in age 20. so whats good for the goose is good for the gander right?
Did we have a CF with settlers? No! We tried to approach settlers to get a cf when they started to draft and pump. They kept ignoring us and said that whatever your offer is doesnt satisfy them. They didnt want to cf us and noticed you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
We trained up and waved them. Also were they hostile when we waved them? No!
I'm not sure how Emeriti ruined anything for you Chrystal. You guys already had an agreement with settlers previously. The only reason Settlers noticed you in the first place was to try to avoid Emeriti. Everyone watching the situation knew Settlers couldn't avoid Emeriti by noticing you. It could only happen through some sort of diplo. No agreement could be reached so they got waved. We all know things don't work in such a way that just because you notice someone and have intention to go fight them, you're safe from others around you. You had no right to that fight in the first place. And we all know settlers was in a position to be farmed by fighting either of the kingdoms they would have ended up fighting. Some people would rather it had been you getting the farming and not Emeriti. As many people know, I don't like Emeriti in the slightest, but they had every right to wave Settlers.
Concerning the "hostile" you're referring to that Emeriti "violated", there was no hostile at all. Settlers hit to 16 points right before a month change and offered war. Instant reply by opposing monarch to say no to war offer and within minutes a CF offer was extended. Because the kd they hit was in fort, they waited 16 or 17 hours to try to farm extra acres once they came out of fortified. The other kingdom never hit or op'd Settlers. Settlers had time to hit, get home, and send out again by the time Emeriti engaged them. In what world can you run from another kingdom by waving someone 20%+ smaller in nw than you, get a cf offer and do 2 uniques worth of hits and call it a hostile? I've always been led to believe that a button has to be involved for things to be hostile. Or at the very least, the kingdom you're hitting has to respond with hits or ops or have the intention to respond in some way. I don't understand the thinking that "I'm waving so and so and as long as I keep hitting them I'm safe from you.. na na na na boo boo you can't touch me..." What Emeriti and Settlers currently have where both kds are trading hits, ops, etc. That's a hostile. I was always told 12 hours after cf offer they're free to be waved because armies would be home by then. This is, of course, debated by multiple groups as to how long you have to wait or if you have to wait for cf to be accepted. Often I think people will just answer in such a way that is convenient for them at the time.
Oh, and if Settlers doesn't want people waving them when they are waving or being waved, maybe they shouldn't hit into kingdoms who are getting waved already. They threw 3 hits in on the kd they later waved to try to dodge Emeriti while at the same time that kingdom was already being waved by CR. They ignored a message about it, and hit in some more later as well. If they are not willing to respect someone when they are waving or getting waved, then why should anyone show them the same courtesy?
Cuz they are all dirty ---- bring in the propaganda machines!
This thread is a big legged woman. Let's not disappoint her.
More numbers please.
More what's going on please.
More slick diplo please.
Thx guys.
So if Settlers stops hitting, sends a CF, and waits 12 hours, CR is free to jump in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pale
Winner winner, chicken dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
It turns out that bullying a ghetto in an attempt to run from us doesn't work.
The excuses thus far --
'They robbed us and completely ruined our prep!' (aka they robbed 3M gc, under 3% of gc)
'They were going to wave us!' (aka they hit pale's kingdom and then agreed to war with Chrystal)
'They forced us to train up by refusing to give us land!' (aka Emeriti got greedy and wanted more than they could get with imminent conflict)
What Emeriti doesn't seem to realize is that Settlers waving them would have been a best case outcome for them. They would have gotten a farmwar vs a significantly weaker kd and added significant cow and t/m land at the cost of potentially some core acres. They're just upset that their gamble on baiting a farmwar from Settlers didn't occur.
There have been attempts to resolve this diplomatically, but it turns out that Emeriti would rather play martyr than accept that under the standards for play they helped create they have no leverage. So when they demand 1+ additional free waves on Settlers for a CF (wherein CR takes significantly less than we can/should), it doesn't go over very well.
So instead they get to gain the land they want from Settlers, and we get to gain probably 2x what we asked for. Maybe 3x.