Hey man, where's the counterofferQuote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
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Hey man, where's the counterofferQuote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
No more than you can explain why I should have messaged you when our target was Sheister and Sheister alone. However.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
When a kingdom 3 times your size comes in and razes your new invitee to the ground in a few ticks, yeah.. it's common fricken sense to message the kingdom and ask WTF is going on.
But then you knew exactly what was going on, which is why you opened with a threat instead of a question..
That would have been more response than you gave me. You see, I make an offer, you counter offer, and we come to terms. That is how it works dear....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
To be fair, Korp and crew did know what was going on because as soon as you razed I provided much the same history as was in my first post in this thread (I believe it is post #3 or so..) That still does not change that you offered a CF to my prior Kingdom who asked me if they should accept it, they then accepted it when I made the diplomacy offer to your Steward (since you would not respond to messages) and then we waited. EoWCF passed, no communication, I chalked it up to you being a peevish child, note I had given you a deadline of 24 hrs to accept or decline and I did not recommence razing after the 24 hrs, signalling that I was open to letting things rest. You were out of EOWCF for 48 hrs or more before I guessed we were done and accepted the invite from Korp. I could have had my other monarch rescind the CF and commences razing you again without an instant of problem. I was over 800 acres at the time I accepted the invitation, I could have defected and been 640 and fully trained an in perfect top feeding postion to torment you beyond your wildest dreams. I did not. I let you go. You restarted with me. Accept that simple fact. It was done until YOU REINITIATED. But lets be clear, you STARTED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
I appreciate your commitment to improving the current standard Korp. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
By placing them in certain situations they will decide their own personal ethics on how to deal with them :)
p.s I'd go 15% land to Octo as next offer. :)
3 times? Man, did we drop you guys a million nw without attacking? Thats pretty ****ing sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
When someone waves into your conflict its pretty standard to respond with aggression. In this case a aggressive messages.
All I am reading is my D'cks bigger....... No my D'cks bigger...... seriously I thought I was playing a WAR game......
The fact of the matter is that you took it upon yourself to raze somebody in our kingdom during an active hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Now we are going to raze you, whenever that opportunity arises.
I don't know how the concept of double hostile has escaped such a seasoned and famous kingdom as yours.
The counter offer was "drop it now and stop razing into our wars and we will leave you alone"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare_
I don't consider an extended conflict witha kingdom more than twice your size to be an "active hostile". Were you preparing for a real war I would consider it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Fact of the matter is that you invited someone who brought a large amount of baggage with him. You want someone to blame, look in the mirror.
One accuses another of razing into war, yet the other accuses it of razing into hostile. Hmmm..
You're 1.7 mill, we're 5.1 mill. I see your maths are as honed as your diplomatic skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
And when a kingdom much bigger than you lands 40+ razes on a new province, it's pretty standard to find out what's going on before you threaten to raze into future wars
Both are confirmed events. Sheister did raze into their wars before he joined us and DD razed into our conflict. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanka
Care to post the message you sent in response to my diplo on that? Cause you never sent that. good try though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
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Originally Posted by Kestrel038
When I Co-Led monument, Mercy of Absalom who was 17M NW waved us when we were 10M NW, WE hostiled them for three weeks to get their cow under control and were 8M NW at declare time and we had to hit into them 19 times to get into NW range so we could declare war. We warred them for an additional three weeks and eventually won the war.
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT IS AND IS NOT A HOSTILE BASED ON NW?!??!? YOU KNOW NOTHING! You are so ignorant it makes my teeth hurt.
But you shouldnt take current size, you should take the size we started the conflict with. Which was over 2 mil, after that i cleaned the house a lot. dropping 5 provinces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
dropping 3 provs you went from 18 to 15 and the nback up to 16 with your new random. Maths really isn't your strong point Korp maybe stay away from the numbers for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Fact is you say it's fine for Sheister to wait for us to go into war and raze into us, but it's the crime of the century for us to raze him when he's just jumped into a kingdom in conflict. So you're saying we should have waited for you guys to go to war and razed him then? That would have been acceptable to you would it?
At the risk of going full Korp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
This is one of the most convoluted pieces of logic I have ever seen.
So if a kd retals against someone twice their nw they're not hostile and you are free to hit in because Sheisters plays there?
F*ck me.
I don't care about any of this sh*t mainly but I wanna raze you for saying something like that :]
Claiming a 50% nw kd isn't hostile because the larger one is oor and that they should be responsible for previous kd action of their peons. :(
Sad tiems
There are several differences. Not the least of which is my problem was with your entire kingdom. I took an action against the kingdom. You interfered against a kingdom for the actions of one province. Hitting into a conflict is an action against a Kingdom. You did it. You are wrong. You have always been wrong. You just are too ignorant to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Double Hostile is generally accepted to refer to a second kingdom attacking in when pre-war hostilities with a first kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
In fact, when I commented on this to Korp, he responded by saying "I deliberately didn't say we were in hostile, I said it was a conflict", thereby accepting that the situation with (x:x) was not what would normally be considered a "hostile" in the traditional sense of the game mechanics.
I accept they were in an extended conflict with the other kingdom (which we did not know about at the time we hit sheister), but the term "double hostile" has a very specific meaning in this game and is clearly NOT the case.
I dont know if the origin of the issue being strangely similiar matters much, sounds like both sides are trying to put each down even though they know the other would not yield.
No. we interfered with YOU not the whole kingdom. We didn't know your mates were in conflict and truth be told we probably wouldn't have cared much if we did know. We came after you for your actions. Nobody else was touched until the threats started flying from Korp and Bishop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Razing into a war is an action against a kingdom too. It didn't stop you so why should it stop us you little hypocrite?
If you gonna quote me better make the exact quote not making up stuff which you are so happy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Funny thing is that now both DD and Strippers are cordinating their effort. :))
You appear to be under a delusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
That I respect your attempts to define things and have clarity of knowledge.
I don't.
It's quite simple. Cough up the acres to Octo or face a ruined age against people who don't care .
I don't play with the Korp/Steel /Bishop type place but they are giving you indirect lessons on how to uto better. Imo.
xoxo
This is really all anybody needs to know. You have decided that you're big enough fish to arbitrarily decide what is and is not a valid hostile. "because".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Why? You razed into an active hostile. No need to find out why. Our only defence in such a situation is to raze you later. And thats what we're going to do....Quote:
And when a kingdom much bigger than you lands 40+ razes on a new province, it's pretty standard to find out what's going on before you threaten to raze into future wars
Oh jesus the bull**** coming out of the mouth of a monarch of a kingdom that isn't even top 50 material. Please keep it coming.Quote:
Double Hostile is generally accepted to refer to a second kingdom attacking in when pre-war hostilities with a first kingdom.
makeo dont even like me that much so him being on our side is weird. :)
Read it again, read it slower.....try harder.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
What's in it for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Ask not what DD can do for you, but ask what DD can do for Octo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare_
See, we're so apathetic about this whole thing our demands don't even include acres for us.
All hail OctobrevQuote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
OK, so...
What's in it for octonub? Sweeten up the deal
Yeah, the more I read about this the more I lean towards Sheister being an infant troll.
Yes, Korp, they razed into your kingdom. Because they were being threatened all age (regardless of how it started) and having their wars effed with all age by the person you took in. All sides agree that they started with only hitting Sheister. You can't invite somebody who is in the middle of an age-long conflict with an entire kingdom and just expect that kingdom to say "Oh he's in a new kingdom now, guess I'll leave him alone" when he has been bouncing around all age, razing them regardless of position. Why should they suddenly stop just because he went to you (Which was clearly just a method of avoiding the CF offered with his prior monarch).
You [Korp] are proving just as childish as him, and perhaps more stupid. When I joined this thread I was fairly neutral - but the more I read your garbage the more I realize you are the biggest child with the biggest desire to flash your e-peen in the whole thread. It's hard to argue with you, because your logic is perhaps on par with my 2 year old who kicks and screams when I don't allow him to drink the laundry detergent. You invited Sheister knowing full well the **** that could come with it, so you don't get to sit here and act innocent.
There shouldn't need to be terms. Just step off your dick measuring contest and either offer or accept a CF. No terms. Just accept that neither side is going to agree and take it. I know for a fact that one side (The side you claim is more childish) will accept a CF proposal just to end the conflict - but you seem dead set on continuing your trollish fight.
5k acres!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare_
We're being entirely selfless. We were wrong by DD when they attacked one of our provinces into our active hostile. They can settle for a ruined age, or they can return the acres that already belong to octo.
They started the conflict reasonable solution to Sheisters message would been laughing it off or not taking it seriously instead there were 3 razes.Quote:
Yes, Korp, they razed into your kingdom. Because they were being threatened all age (regardless of how it started) and having their wars effed with all age by the person you took in. All sides agree that they started with only hitting Sheister. You can't invite somebody who is in the middle of an age-long conflict with an entire kingdom and just expect that kingdom to say "Oh he's in a new kingdom now, guess I'll leave him alone" when he has been bouncing around all age, razing them regardless of position. Why should they suddenly stop just because he went to you (Which was clearly just a method of avoiding the CF offered with his prior monarch).
Fairly neutral?Quote:
You [Korp] are proving just as childish as him, and perhaps more stupid. When I joined this thread I was fairly neutral - but the more I read your garbage the more I realize you are the biggest child with the biggest desire to flash your e-peen in the whole thread. It's hard to argue with you, because your logic is perhaps on par with my 2 year old who kicks and screams when I don't allow him to drink the laundry detergent. You invited Sheister knowing full well the **** that could come with it, so you don't get to sit here and act innocent.
This sounds fairly neutral to you?Quote:
But this is just another nail in the coffin, proving that Bishop has no interest in keeping this game alive. The numbers will continue to dwindle until there is nothing left.
You think this sounds fairly neutral as well?Quote:
. Which is why it sickens me that Bishop and his kingdom plays like this. If anything, they should be promoting a style of play that makes people want to *join* the game, not quit.
You were anything but neutral when you made your inital post. Its evident that you have a bias towards Bishop and that colours your opinions. Plus when asked to clairfy/explain what you mean by above statements you dont do that jump to personal attacks instead.
Trollish ways? Could you explain what we have done? Or you gonna jump to personal attacks again?
CAelum, if I was just trying to avoid a CF, I could random defect, have more military and more land and and and. Your logic is so flawed you must be Abi's sister or some such. Get a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelum
bias (noun) prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
No, my feelings toward Bishop are learned from a pattern of behavior. I do give him credit where it's due -- which I have even done in this thread (or maybe it was that other one) involving cheaters.
Seeing a pattern of behavior that is detrimental towards the growth of the game is not bias. You are simply proving with every post that it's impossible to reason with you, because you don't seem to have a vague understanding of the things you are yourself saying.
I am neutral because I could give a **** about any of the kingdoms involved. My desire is to have a better, stronger community here -- and from what I've been seeing, your "side" is the side that is more interested in causing trouble than resolving the conflict. And your so called "offer" is just a thinly veiled attempt at stirring up even more **** so don't give me any of that "We made an offer" garbage.
So yes, that is the epitome of being neutral.
I find you a c*nt sometimes in the forums. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Doesn't mean I dislike you or won't back you up in them when you are clearly right here. :)
On the odd occasion I visit tactics you seem nicer and cuddlier. :)
If I ever visit Sweden , I'd buy you a beer mate. :)
Edit: Now please continue pwning these fellas.
What you fail to see that DD is the kingdom that are detrimental towards the growth of the game. They are the ones that are fault for this whole situation to begin with if they had just been able to handle the situation without getting their egos hurt there would be no situation either. Instead they chose to do otherwise and "teach" Sheister a lesson which obviously backfired cause he didnt back down like smaller ghettos does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelum
Now they been razing us for what 5 days, starting to kill random provs in our ghetto (still notice that not a single province in our kingdom has attacked DD at all) So whos bad for Utopia and whos ruin the Utopian experince? We may talk a lot of ****, but thats a counter reaction from the way they have behaved. But I guess stirring up **** is way worse for Utopia than razing than a bigger kingdom razing a smaller one for 5 days. :) You are absolutely correct!
I should probably log in eh
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Originally Posted by Korp
No, I don't fail to see that there are egos within DD. I have intimate knowledge of this.
But that's besides the point.
I could honestly give a **** who started what. You are upset about me calling you childish then make these "They started it" which is absolutely the most childish argument you are ever going to be able to make in these forums.
Get over yourself, get over them. Put an end to it and move on.
I expect the next message to say "We offered them a CF days ago and they declined".
Also don't give a ****. They're willing to accept a no-strings CF now. The moment they made that clear - they became the better kingdom. Now you can step up to their level and do the same, or you can continue being children.
I wouldn't bother. They seem to have it under control. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin
I'm sure they will sapp or tg you if you are needed. :)