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What in the world are you talking about? We don't pay 3rd world countries. Show me where this info is found please? Even republican sites that attacked it under Obama never even mention this fact you came up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
No... China is leading in renewable energy. We are going the way of the dinosaur. We became a great nation from innovation, not by rooting ourselves to old technologies. Lead the way to the future. To do otherwise is to doom this nation.
Hell, even GE is not happy with Trump and this decision.
His job is to do the will of the American people and he failed again to do so. End of story.
It's part of the Paris Treaty that USA would have to give 100 billion dollars to a fund that built electrical plants for 3rd world nations. As for China you have no idea what your talking about. Some of their city's are so polluted they have to wear mask just to leave their homes. In what world do you live? China follows no regulations what's so ever. Why do you think all factories over there? Next your going to tell me India is environmentally friendly. Lol. I can tell you have never left the USA and only watch MSNBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
You have no ide what you talking about might I suggest you get familiar with the Paris treaty first then you talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
I watched the President press conference where he laid out exactly why he withdrew from it. Then the analyst admit that China and India could double there use of coal while we had to give up all of our coal. Negating any good to the environment that we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
The 100 billion is not from only the United States...Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
In the Paris Agreement, the developed countries reaffirmed the commitment to mobilize $100 billion a year in climate finance by 2020, and agreed to continue mobilizing finance at the level of $100 billion a year until 2025.[40] The commitment refers to the pre-existing plan to provide US$100 billion a year in aid to developing countries for actions on climate change adaptation and mitigation.[41]
There is a 3 billion dollar slush fund as well. But we were going to be paying in less per capita than many of the other countries.
So where in this gods green earth are you getting your misinformation from? You have on several occasions in these treads posted false information and then have the gall tell us to stop watching fake news... Take your own advice
China just built the worlds largest solar power farm.
More misinformation? Funny, even the coal companies are not happy with Trumps decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1762YY
So yea, more bunk....
Here is a tip. Don't take anything from Trump and his administration as 'fact'. The bull**** spins so fast even Spicer can't keep up and gets flustered.
Yes our part of the 100 billion is 3 billion which adds up to 100 billion.... China is the biggest polluter in the world on every front. They have little to no EPA regulations. Wtf you think all factories went there? Most of there automobiles don't even have catalytic converters. They have no scrubbers on any coal plants or factories. China is the greatest world threat on every front whether it's military, environmental or economic threat. But democrats praise them and worry about our allie Russia.... Seriously Democrats are so butt hurt they want to start world war 3 with Russia because Hillary Clinton lost a fair election. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
When are you going to get it through your head that nobody gives a **** about Hillary Clinton anymore?
Nope. Still wrong. The 100 billion is from member countries., not just the US. That 3 billion is a slush fund and the US responsibility to it was less per capita than other accord members. Could you at least do yourself a favor and actually read the accords instead of spouting something you heard on a right wing media broadcast? The flat out inaccuracy of your postings is criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Your looking at China from 20 years ago. And no, since the industrial revolution the US has been the biggest contributer to greenhouse gasses in the world. China currently pumps out more than we do but over time we have pumped out much more. Do you not remember the smog issues that plagued US cities in the 70's and 80's?
Let's not mention the fact that per capita(population) that Canada is the number 1 in greenhouse gas emissions.
#1 Canada
#2 The United States
#3 Russia
#4 Japan
#5 The European Union
#6 Indonesia
#7 China
Yep, that's right. China is 7th.
Nobody is praising China as a whole except maybe Trump. Remember, China is kicking our ass in everything according to him.
At the moment I would put it on Trump as being the most dangerous world threat. He ignores science, follows fake news stories and has no clue what damage his 3am coked-up tweet barrages do. He wants to shut out the free press and stop any investigation into his Russian ties. Could you imagine the hate you would have thrown at Obama if he tried to get the birther issue thrown under the rug and tried to stop any investigation into it? Lol! Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Russia is a huge threat and your a fool to think this is a democrat thing. Republicans agree Russia is and have stated it many times since the election. The only ones that don't are misinformed Trump supporters.
Clinton? ****... give me George Bush jr over this Trump clown please. That's how bad it is.
Oh and remember that job saving Trump did with the carrier deal you praised in these forums? All gone. Not even 1 year later. Sure was nice of Trump to make sure they got a nice big tax break before they did it huh?
Russia wasn't a threat a year ago, until Trump was elected according to Democrats. Also Trump fired Comey because he was incompetent and a nut case. Had nothing to do with Russia. Everyone on both sides agrees Comey was incompetent. So if Russia is such a big threat, why did Obama and Hillary Clinton sign off on selling them our uranium production? Why did Bill Clinton give them 500k speeches? Why did the Clinton foundation take millions from the Russian government? Russia isn't a threat to the USA and never has been since the Soviet Union fell. Also USA are such hypocrites we interfer in everyone's elections. It's like the main job of the CIA. Lol. As for climate change I don't exactly believe 100% it's right. I mean growing up it was global warming and that it was going to be the end of the world. Then come to find out all of the research was faked.... So yeah I am not going to lose sleep over it. Lol
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Originally Posted by handofthrawn
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Also Trump fired Comey because he was incompetent and a nut case. Had nothing to do with Russia.
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Everyone on both sides agrees Comey was incompetent.
Because all of those things don't compromise the safety of the US and do good things for the people involved.Quote:
So if Russia is such a big threat, why did Obama and Hillary Clinton sign off on selling them our uranium production? Why did Bill Clinton give them 500k speeches? Why did the Clinton foundation take millions from the Russian government?
As another point, if Russia is our ally and working with them is a good thing, why do you consider Hillary's uranium deal to be such a black mark on her record?
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Russia isn't a threat to the USA and never has been since the Soviet Union fell.
Partially true. That's obviously not the entire purpose of the CIA. That however isn't entirely enough to make the US. hypocrites.Quote:
Also USA are such hypocrites we interfer in everyone's elections. It's like the main job of the CIA. Lol.
That probably has something to do with being naive enough to support a man that believes humans have a limited amount of energy for their lifetime and that exercise kills people.Quote:
As for climate change I don't exactly believe 100% it's right.
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I mean growing up it was global warming and that it was going to be the end of the world. Then come to find out all of the research was faked....
All of the research was faked? You really believe it is ALL faked by the entire world scientific community? I know the story your talking about, it was the Climate research unit of the University of East Angola and a hacked e-mail. If you actually research the story it has been over inflated. Besides at best you got 1 university that may have faked some data. 1, that's it. How much fake data has been released by Oil and gas company geologists? Why do you still believe them when they have been shown to do the exact same thing but not just once, time and time again?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
The other stuff in here? Uh, no. At best an extreme over simplification, at the worst an outright lie.
Could you please divulge your sources because,Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
1: The European Union is not a country and should not be included as a single entry any more than California should be it's own entry in that list.
2: I cannot find anything that matches your list.
It's called making stuff up, Democrats are good at that. Just like Trump is and never was under investigation for any Russian connection. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
Why Hello Mr. Pot, you're also awfully terrible at producing sources for your wild and unhinged statements as well despite numerous and repeated requests for credible sources. So you should frankly be the very last one to ever criticise or belittle somebody's lack of sources Mr hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Frankly the Republitards spearheaded by the Short-fingered Vulgarian is ten times better at making stuff up and producing fake news..
And yeah Trump was apparently never personally under investigation for the Russia thing but his campaign still is, and you can bet your ass that Trump is now personally under investigation for for corruptly obstructing justice.
Sigh you obviously don't understand the power of the President. President can pardon anyone he wants to. If President Trump wanted to pardon Flynn he could with a stroke of the pen. Just like Obama did for the Traiter Chelsea Manning. Who was tried and convicted Traitor in a court of law. Where was your outrage? Anyways Trump is the head of every single federal agency in the government, including the FBI. If he wanted to he has the power to call the entire investigation off. But he doesn't because he has nothing to hide. Sure he could be impeached but you can be impeached for anything, doesn't have to be illegal. Anyways it's all just made up noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
What you forgot to mention was Loretta lynch broke federal law by impeding the email investigation and most likely will be brought up on charges. ;)
http://www.wri.org/sites/default/fil..._emissions.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...xide_emissions
YOU claim others are making stuff up? The guy that has been making stuff up this entire thread? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
No, go ahead and follow the links and no, any idiot other than you apparently knew it was members of his staff and campaign that was under investigation for ties to the Russian govenment. What is unclear is if Trump himself was involved and it's in no way a leap to believe Trump might have had involvement as well concidering his stances he has taken upon it becoming known and the statements he has made reguarding it.
Oh yes, it's all democrats... Nevermind the republicans pushing and supporting an investigation right?
I would say it's you that doesn't understand the power of the POTUS and what damage he can do. The President does not have the power to make the investigation stop. That is obstruction of justice. Think Nixon would like to have a word with you. Sure he might not be offically charged but he most certainly would be impeached.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
I would ask you the same question. Where is your anger since your soo upset with the Chelsea Manning deal? You know, the lady that leaked secrets to Wikileaks... The same Wikileaks that leaked the Clinton e-mails that you praised the leakers for? Besides wtf does Manning have to do with Trump and how do you know we were not upset with the decision? We sure as hell were not talking anout it.
Just made up noise? Lol... Oh your killing me here... To funny. Yea, it's all just make believe...
Trump did nothing wrong because he isn't the one being investigated....... liberals can't seem to understand this. Just like Obama didn't do anything wrong with pardoning manning. Flynn just worked in the government and is the only one they found any evidence against. Trump can pardon Flynn or prosecute Flynn if he wishes. It's his power as President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
your such a nitwit...you are just a shining example of backwards-thinking moron
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/u...=politics&_r=0
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The New York Times
WASHINGTON — Jack Posobiec had his Twitter sights set on James B. Comey.
A pro-Trump activist notorious for his amateur sleuthing into red herrings like the “Pizzagate” hoax and a conspiracy theory involving the murder of a Democratic aide, Mr. Posobiec wrote on May 17 that Mr. Comey, the recently ousted F.B.I. director, had “said under oath that Trump did not ask him to halt any investigation.”
It mattered little that Mr. Comey had said no such thing. The tweet quickly ricocheted through the ecosystem of fake news and disinformation on the far right, where Trump partisans like Mr. Posobiec have intensified their efforts to sow doubt about the legitimacy of expanding investigations into Trump associates’ ties to Russia.
But as the journey of that one tweet shows, misinformed, distorted and false stories are gaining traction far beyond the fringes of the internet. Just 14 words from Mr. Posobiec’s Twitter account would spread far enough to provide grist for a prime-time Fox News commentary and a Rush Limbaugh monologue that reached millions of listeners, forging an alternative first draft of history in corners of the conservative media where President Trump’s troubles are often explained away as fabrications by his journalist enemies.
In this fragmented media environment, the spread of false information is accelerated and amplified by a web of allied activist-journalists with large online followings, a White House that grants them access and, occasionally, a president who validates their work. The right-wing media machine that President Bill Clinton’s aides once referred to as “conspiracy commerce” is now far more mature, extensive and, in the internet age, tough to counter.
Since he isn't being investigated he did nothing wrong? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
He isn't pardoning or persecuting anyone... He was trying to infuence a federal investigation into memebers of his staff.
I don't think you know what "liberals" means. You don't need to be a liberal to oppose President Trump. A large fraction of conservatives also oppose his actions, that does not make them liberals. While a President has many powers, he has also given an oath to serve , protect and act in the best interest of the People of the United States of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
I have not seen one bad policy for America come out of the White House. As a small business owner I thank God Trump is in office. Obama was crushing us with Regulations, trade agreements, tax, electric bills, Obama care. Trump already fixed most of those and I can breath again.
Tell me. What is your business and how many employees do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Funny... Trump hasn't passed anything yet. He has his plan but nothing has taken effect yet. Sounds like bull**** to me...
Forbes on Obama... The same Forbes that loves Trumps tax proposal. 'Naturally, the current economic climate is not without peril. However, the past few years of the Obama Administration have been prosperous ones for entrepreneurs on a number of measures. It is why Americans continue to dream big and why foreigners seek to come here to pursue the American Dream of business ownership.'
Given that arrogant condescending attitude I will assume that erroneous parts of your post is intentional and a malicious attempt to obfuscate the factsQuote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Wow! already your first LIE! Your track record isn't starting out too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
The President cannot pardon anybody he wants to. He can only pardon offences "against the United States" this means that he cannot pardon anybody convicted in a state court as that would be a crime against that state, he also cannot pardon anybody convicted in civil court. It's also further established in the constitution that the President cannot pardon impeachments. So no, the President cannot pardon anybody he wants to, to say other wise is a LIE, and because you claim superior knowledge you're obviously not merely ignorant, you're actively attempting to spread lies.
Yes he could, but impeachments can be appealed to the Supreme Court and if the President used his pardon power in a manner which is questionable we will likely see those pardons appealed to SCOTUS and then SCOTUS might place limits on that pardon power as it has before when SCOTUS established that a pardoned individual can refuse the pardon. So while yes he can pardon Flynn it's not certain that any such pardon would stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Again you LIE. Chelsea Manning was never charged with treason and she was cleared of the charge against her for "Aiding the Enemy" which is the UCMJ equivalent of treason. Thus she is explicitly not a traitor despite whatever else she was sentenced for(espionage amongst others).Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Personally I think that the pardon was appropriate because I think that the Chelsea Manning should have had legal immunity as a whistle-blower to at least some of the convictions. Because I think that the greater good was served here by leaking the war crimes committed by the US Military which otherwise would never have been made known to the public. The real outrage here is that the Apache crew was not really punished and they never had to stand before the ICC charged of war crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Yes Agent Orange is the head of every federal agency and yes he has the power to instruct how those agencies works, for example he could instruct the FBI to not pursue petty drug charges as Obama did, that would be a correct use of his power. But bloody no he cannot corruptly instruct an agency to drop an investigation because it reflects badly on him. That's a textbook case of obstruction of justice and even Fu*kface von Clownstick is not above the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
The President has no special exemption from this crime and could face up to 10 years in prison if found guilty of this crime for which he is now being investigated for by the special prosecutor Robert Muller.Quote:
Originally Posted by 18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
So why is he at every turn acting like he's got something to hide. If he had nothing to hide he would just have stayed the bloody hell away from the Russia investigation. But no he had to use his tiny hands to go and meddle in it, which makes it seem as if he's trying to hide something, even if there's nothing to hide. And the most hilarious outcome in all of this would be if the investigation concluded that Trump knowingly and intentionally tried to obstruct justice but also concluded that there was no collusion or other crime. Because you can be convicted for obstructing justice even if the investigation you were trying to obstruct didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Nope, you cannot be impeached for anything, you have to be impeached for cause. The only offences the President or the Vice-President can be impeached for is treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanours. That's not "anything"Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Nope, it's not, if it was the President would just have ignored it and let everything settle down, but no he had to go and grab the investigation by the pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Well it doesn't really matter because now Agent Orange is officially under investigation. But yeah handofthrawn doesn't seem to understand the very simple fact that just because you're not currently under investigation doesn't mean that you did nothing wrong or it cannot change. It just means that the current evidence doesn't point to you doing anything wrong, Flynn asked for immunity because "he had a story to tell" and the only way that he's ever getting immunity is if he flips on somebody higher up, maybe somebody like... Babyfingers McDrumpf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
So under your logic Bernie Sanders is responsible for the actions of anyone connected to his campaign? The guy that tried to assassinate Republicans at the baseball practice? Democrats really have went off the deep end. Obama administration actually broke the law according to Comey and the most Trump did was make him feel uneasy. Anyways Trump 2020 predicting a landslide. ;)
Nice strawman, I never said anything that can even remotely be interpreted to mean that. if you think I did then you're delusional and should check yourself into a mental ward right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
But yeah, if Bernie Sanders colluded with this guy to attempt to murder a bunch of Republicans and then tried to use his power as Presid... oh right Bernie Sanders isn't the President, a complete retard is so there goes that theory.
And before you say that the Obama administration broke the law then you have to prove that Obama or any of his senior people where in on it. If all Lynch did was suggest that Comey call it an 'issue' instead of an investigation then that's inappropriate but hardly criminal. And the rest was locked behind a closed door session.
Did the Short-Fingered Vulgarian do more than make Comey uncomfortable? Only Robert Muller knows that right now, no doubt Comey held much back in order to not cause trouble for Muller's investigation.
Only crazy people accuse the president of the United States of America of stuff with zero evidence. Fyi only democrats are claiming ptsd over the election. Lol
Which accusation with zero evidence would that be? The fact that the Trump campaign is under investigation for colluding with a foreign power or that F*ckface von Clownstick obstructed justice?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Because in neither of those cases are there "zero evidence", in fact in both of them there seems to be a boatload of evidence.
Eh? I have no idea wtf you're ranting about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
So I guess that makes many conservatives/Republicans and Trump himself crazy? I mean, they did accuse Obama of being a Muslim and of not being born in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Yes historically Agent Orange has definitely had significant issues with the simple act of telling the truth. So everybody is better off to not take his word for anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Crystopher
US politics is getting nuts. The news doesn't report the news anymore, just partisan political rheroric, and our politicians are all crooks. Sure Trump's a crook, so is Hilary, Bill, Bernie, Bush, McCain. ..... ALL of them. Politicians worldwide in fact are a parasitic entity. Just look at how mid east politicians twist Islam and chinese politicians have protesters run over with tanks.
Seriously I find all of you so amusing and nuts all at the same time. Zero evidence of anything claimed against Trump but you swear he is guilty. Liberals have went off the deep end and good news is you will never win the house, Senate or President again. So keep up the crazy rage just drives more independents towards being Republicans. ;)
OMG... Zero evidence even when Trump is quoted saying “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job, I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
How about a quote from his son? ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’
How about Flynn? Nothing there either? Lol. Okay, yea.... Zero evidence haha. Were not even in the FBI with access to what they have.
Not a single person has claimed absolute proof of it. We have stated the reasons why the investigation should and is happening. We are telling you why there is justification for the investigation. Your the only one here claiming absolutes and you have even less to stand on when it comes to that. You just flatly deny all evidence and most of the time don't even bother to understand the subject your posting about. All emotion and no actual thought.
Lol... We are about 6 months into his 1st term. He has the lowest presidential approval rating in history... Your completely delusional. Wait until that secret behind doors republican health bill kicks in... Republicans are so screwed Trump doesn't even want his name attached to it. Even he called it 'mean'.
Here is the most truthful Donald Trump statement ever made. "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." proof positive here in these forums. No questioning anything, just eating up the golden turds from Trump. Hell, you even fail to acknowledge that members of BOTH the republican and democratic parties pushed for this investigation. So much dishonesty in your postings...
One last thing. You do realize the republican party has been rigging the electorial college for years now through redistricting right? It's why the last 2 republican presidents lost the popular vote and won the presidency.
Trump can fire anyone he likes....... yes you can face pressure from a witch hunt. Ask anyone who has been falsely accused And investigated.
Flynn broke the law under Obama........ had nothing to Do with Trump.
I come with facts, you come with random hatred.
Approval ratings are done by the same people who did polls. Gee I wonder if they are correct.......
God Bless the President.
Show me 1 fact. Just 1. I am waiting...Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Yea, kinda like them unemployment numbers Trump said were fake under obama but now are truthful now that he is in office.
Random hatred? Your the one who started the name calling and slandering. Can't handle what you dish out then gtfo.
Here's an idea. How about when your bogus claims are shown to be pure B.S. you don't just hop on off to another tirade and actually address the discussion being had.
Oh this is even better after you edited...
How is it a witch hunt when there is ample evidence otherwise?
Flynn was found colluding with Russia and was compromised. This has nothing to do with Obama for **** sake. Show some independent thought for once. My god...
The republican party is the one in trouble here. They have a president that isn't even a republican, can't win a poplular vote nationally, can't pass a health care bill without millions of Americans getting ****ed and now have all 3 branches of government with no Obama to blame.
No, the President cannot fire anybody he likes, within federal agencies he has broad powers to fire people but even tho he can fire nearly anybody working in a federal agency that doesn't mean that said firing will be legal, which seems to be the case regarding Comey because Agent Orange has admitted twice that he fired Comey with corrupt intent. Sure you can face pressure because of a witch hunt, which this is not because there is plenty of classified evidence(as confirmed under oath by multiple senior intelligence officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
When Agent Orange hired Flynn it became his problem and something that has a lot to do with him, because it seems that F*ckface von Clownstick didn't take any of the reasonable safeguards(they has as of yet not produced the disclosure form Flynn would have to sign in order to have his security clearance increased). It also has a lot to do with the Short-Fingered Vulgarian because despite multiple reports that there were multiple issues and concerns about Flynn he failed to act on it in a timely manner. But yes, Flynn broke the law under Obama although I fail to see how that matters in regards to anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
So far you have yet to produce any credible facts backed up by credible sources, so you're lying through your teeth there.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
And your sources for Republitard success in 2018 is what exactly? Infowars? RT? Or perhaps racist right Breitbart?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Not as long as that President is Fu*kface von Clownstick. Besides, I don't request blessing from magical fantasy creatures anyway, nor should anybody do.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
I wish the Prez [HoT] would stop trollin Utopia and ruin the government as he is mint to do.