I just love the people that think they know it all and proclaim **** they dont know anything about. You for example!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleria
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I just love the people that think they know it all and proclaim **** they dont know anything about. You for example!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleria
Korp Loves this guy?! Called me "the Great"?! The holiday season must be approaching, I hope I'm your secret santa :D
-DM <3
oh I know it all? Why thank you for the compliment, I mean I know more than you, as I’m in one of those kds. But moving on, I have stated my opinion which in turn you tried to twist into something when it was clearly a discussion point for the dems/owners an maybe a little insight into doing an investigation 1st next time. Let me sum it up for you because apparently your not getting it korp. It has nothing to do with you, also in the little message that was received from the devs it stated full eowcf. So please quit sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong.
This is really the only relevant part of your comment. The devs had repeatedly stated they fully investigated. Repeating this claim is nothing more than spreading lies and claiming to "know it all" when it comes to decisions like this. Which, incidentally, is exactly what Korp was pointing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleria
As an FYI, you can't bring stuff to a public forum and tell people to butt out or not have an opinion. Get over yourself dude...your KD got caught up in an unfortunate situation because your king saw an easy win and got burned for it. Be smarter next time.
Whoever made the forum thread gave everyone else the right to comment (constructively) unless the mods decide to close it.
You can't know what investigation the Devs have done unless they have told you that they haven't done any, which seems fairly unlikely. Presumably what you mean is that their investigation hasn't included asking you or your KD mates for their comments.
That said, you will see from my comment earlier in the thread that I do actually agree with the underlying thrust of your KD's concern which appears to be that you got tricked into a FW without knowing or thinking it was a FW, and were using a valid game mechanic of accepting a war that was offered. Others in the thread appear to be saying you "should have" known, but I find that difficult because then where is the line where a KD should have to accept risk when accepting a war proposal. 90% NW? 95%? 100%? Even then that could end up being a FW scenario until we get to the point that hopefully all the people that think cheating like this is productive have been banned.
You can't really blame a competitive kingdom for wanting easy wars. If they start the age with a long and hard war with minimal gains while the competition gets two easy wars it's basically over for them already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystopher
Blame the game mechanics or blame the ghetto for farming out. Btw. why is it bad to push the button just to teach a lesson? How else should a ghetto learn what not to do unless they see consequences for stupid actions?
Though possibly this is getting off topic since the issue here seems to be a multi with provs in both kingdoms. Or was it three kingdoms? I probably should reread the thread.
So if someone makes a bad decision make the devs aware and they will reset it. Got it. Will know for next time
So you got 24 hours of practically free hits on a kingdom before it was stopped? Yes I can see how that's a disadvantage for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerix
Only 2 of your provinces are under 200NWPA and over half your provinces have more than 225NWPA at this time with still more EOWCF to go. Yes I can see how terribly your pumping has suffered as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerix
Why have alcohol when people will abuse it? Why have fast food when people will just only eat that and get fat? Why have credit cards when people can steal them and steal money? Why have computers if people can hack then and get your personal information? Do you want every single aspect of your life limited because of the stupidity of a select few? There's enough of "the few ruin it for the many" junk around, let's not INVITE it to happen more, ok? I like the proposed war system as do many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerix
Did your science stop accumulating points? Nope. Did you lose the land that you hit for during the first 24 hours you said the war was still active? Nope. Your kingdom is still pumped and if you are in war builds already, then you are all set to go for another war soon if you wanted. Stepping back, you got 1k acres and lost a small portion of your ritual, doesn't seem that you lost anything that can't be replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerix
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ....... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by emerix
What free hits? I know you don't get paid but you should still try to keep up with things, for appearances sake. We already have so much to say about you, after all..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
6:4 didn't get any period of 'free hits', as summaries posted in the previous thread show that 1:9 was certainly fighting back. Here, in fact, I will go fetch those for you, since your memory is lacking and we wouldn't want you to belie an image of incompetence, being DavidC's favorite mod and all.
The rest of your post comes off as overtly (and overly) petty, considering your position as a mod.Quote:
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 149 (5,865 acres)
-- Traditional march: 128 (5,362 acres)
-- Ambush: 13 (377 acres)
-- Conquest: 7 (126 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (0.7% failure)
-- Uniques: 125
Total attacks suffered: 110 (4,151 acres)
-- Traditional march: 97 (4,008 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (143 acres)
-- Raze: 2 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (1,496 population)
-- Plunder: 1
-- Abduct: 1
-- Failed: 3 (2.8% failure)
-- Uniques: 83
** The kingdom of 6:2 **
Total land exchanged: +1,714 (149/110)
+259 Monkey Island (6/0)
+256 Golden Sun (7/3)
+232 Balamb (7/1)
+205 Final Fantasy XI (5/0)
+186 Little Nemo (6/0)
+184 Fire Emblem Heroes (6/1)
+184 Leisure Suit Larry (7/2)
+170 Burning of Faerun (5/1)
+162 CONTRA (7/3)
+158 Might and Magic (6/0)
+150 Mortal Kombat 3 (6/3)
+137 Donkey Kong (6/2)
+97 Final Fantasy 7 (5/0)
+63 Jaina Proudmoore (7/1)
+50 Simon the Sorcerer (3/0)
+46 Khaz Modan (6/8)
+22 Fallout (8/6)
-28 Super Mario RPG (5/4)
-88 The Legend Of Zelda (8/9)
-141 Metal Gear Solid (7/9)
-163 Tomb Raider (11/25)
-182 Seven Kingdoms (6/11)
-245 Freelancer (9/21)
** The kingdom of 1:9 **
Total land exchanged: -1,714 (110/149)
+378 An unknown province (8/0)
+103 Bohica (7/7)
+53 Slice N dice3 (4/1)
-8 Melnibone (4/6)
-12 beauregard the beholder (11/12)
-44 Xei (2/4)
-56 fairy tail (2/2)
-58 Master Toto (7/4)
-59 NiHaoMa (8/9)
-89 Schweddy Balls (5/8)
-98 Nidogg (4/3)
-109 Death Valley (8/12)
-123 Tonka Toy Tinker Town (7/8)
-125 Iron_forge (1/4)
-129 Board of Directors (0/2)
-131 SpaceShooter (5/5)
-137 BamBamm (2/7)
-156 Lochmar (8/17)
-190 PopPyy (10/11)
-200 Orcs of the frost wolf clan (2/8)
-231 Success (1/6)
-293 FlappyDoom (4/13)
This is probably why the forum isn't the right place to debate specific issues with specific KDs. If I've understood the thread correctly (and maybe I haven't), both KDs fought as normal, but the smaller KD whose "rogue" monarch proposed the war didn't want the war and (felt they) weren't ready. I'm not sure which KD is which so I can't tell which one ended up on land gains and I don't know whether 1,700 acres is material at whatever size they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
It seems to me there are 2 issues.
1. Whether the KD who accepted the war proposal has actually benefited or lost out, and how if at all that should be addressed.
2. The wider principle of whether a KD who accepts a war proposal believing it to be legitimate but which is later found to not be legitimate is at fault for doing so.
I have no real interest in getting involved in 1. It is between the Devs and the KDs involved.
But on 2, I find the suggestion that they "should have known" that it was "too good to be true" a difficult one.
Youre missing the whole point of this. Which is not the war proposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris121
The monarch of 1:9 asked diamonds (monarch of 6:4) if he'd kill off provs for him after war, and promised to give diamonds the war win.
Now, this has been taken to mean it was a fake war because the end result was 'predetermined '.
Diamonds kd is now crying that it's no fair they didn't get building credits...
Yeah, I probably am. That's why I'm trying to stay out of an individual situation which I don't know the full details of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
This is what I was referencing in my point 2 (quote from this thread):
If the point that comes from that is just "don't pre-determine the war outcome" then I have no issues. But I thought DavidC's post was saying that they have done nothing beyond accepting a war proposal from a KD that wasn't worthy of the fight, but that in only doing that the accepting KD was culpable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidC
w00f, first ya tell 6:4 to stop crying, then ya tell SASSY she is a bad mod. She said free hits... 125 uniqs to 85 uniqs is a fair amount of "free hits" 40 .. Maybe the correct wording is "exra hits" Also if they kept the 1700 acres they did pretty swell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Plus whats the time frame as its not listed? I speculate 3 days as one guys has 8 uniqs. Poor piddlin Pills cant post without condescending remarks. To both sides.
FlipFlop
Pills:The monarch of 1:9 asked diamonds (monarch of 6:4) if he'd kill off provs for him after war, and promised to give diamonds the war win. What choice did he have 1700 acres?
Pretty sure it's been stated that war only lasted 24 hours. You want to nit pick the tone of my posts, but I'm dealing with the likes of you who can't even read a ****ing formatted summary??Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
Are you sure you want to post in these forums? Formatting of paper summaries has been consistent for over a decade and you can't read it properly? No uniques are listed in the posted summary.
Also Roflmao @ 'extra' or 'free' hits because one side out hit the other. That's not how wars work.
Learn to play, or think more before you post.
Nobody got free acres, it was a war waged from both sides with equal effort according to their capabilities.
We fought in range. Heck a few ages ago we crowned warring up. If a dumb ghetto waves you oop u push button. If you have an off age and get button mid age you press button. Csnt just war the same two kds over and over just cuz ppl suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystopher
You only show your own ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 149 (5,865 acres)
-- Traditional march: 128 (5,362 acres)
-- Ambush: 13 (377 acres)
-- Conquest: 7 (126 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (0.7% failure)
******-- Uniques: 125***
Total attacks suffered: 110 (4,151 acres)
-- Traditional march: 97 (4,008 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (143 acres)
-- Raze: 2 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (1,496 population)
-- Plunder: 1
-- Abduct: 1
-- Failed: 3 (2.8% failure)
******-- Uniques: 83***
You claimed one province had 8 uniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
Uniques are not listed.
To be honest, the most glaring thing I get from the majority of this thread is the lack of mutual respect among the playerbase. Online gaming grants a level of anonymity, and I feel while some enjoy it, others abuse it to act and regard each other in ways we wouldn't fathom face to face.
As kids playing in minor sports leagues, you learn to respect your opponent, it starts with shaking hands after a match, and saying "good game"; sticks with you for life. Granted, in the heat of a match, tempers can flare, but no one brings it off the field or ice afterwards.
Maybe we should all take a page from that; this incessant flinging of insults and saying, "this stupid ghetto" or "that stupid player" doesn't really produce anything besides negative vibes and basically disregards anything the poster said on the subject before or after they started insulting.
This might be a factor is regards to the cheating and bad play too.
-DM <3
Cheers sl0hnd
Also, can everyone stop referencing the war summary that Pillz posted? He screwed up and posted the 1:9 war with 6:2, not the 24-hour one with 6:4.
Glad im not the only one who noticed lol, like "uhh they're not 6:2 but whatevs" xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
-DM <3
That's the summary diamonds posts on page 1 of the thread you wrongfully closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
If you want to talk to me find me in #tactics, don't clutter my inbox.
Diamond isn't in 6:4 which is what this threat is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
As to "cluttering" your inbox? Really? I sent you one message to invite you to vent whatever wrongs you think I've done to you instead of complaining behind my back so it's all out in the open and we can be adults. If you can't be a grown up and say it to my face, then I don't really care to try again. The ball was in your court and you let it double bounce. I win. Game over.
NB: Personal feelings have no impact on my moderating, if you call someone cancer or break any other forum rules, you will be treated the same as if anyone else had said it.
Sassy_wolfie seems awfully invested in this topic,
Your moderation is abysmal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
So is your reasoning. There is nothing 'out in the open' about a PM.
You will carry on with **** moderation regardless of what I or anyone else says, because you don't know any better. The blind leading the ignorant.
Here for you illiterates:
War obviously must have gone on for 24h (roughly) according to the very first post in the thread.Quote:
Halfway through, an admin comes in with his ban hammer and the next thing we know, we're in a MP about 24 hours short of min time.
What the **** possess anybody (a ****ing mod) to think that means 24h of free hits is beyond me.
Some feedback I received was that I wasn't appearing to be in touch because I only read and didn't post unless it was in a moderating role, so now I'm posting more, and now I'm seeming to be invested in a topic. I actually try to improve when someone gives me feedback that can be acted upon. Cause -> Effect.
Since when does the conversation between 2 people need to be on a public forum for it to be out in the open? When I say that, I meant between us. Because clearly I've done something horrible in your mindset but since I don't know what it is, that's why I was asking. Same deal though, I won't ask again and if you want to keep playing the victim there's nothing I can do about that.
You posting doesn't contribute to fixing the problem, which is that you're a mod at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
Youre fundamentally unqualified and Zawk have plotted a ****ty course for the forums moderation with you and their recent statements.
As I rule I don't conduct talks in private.
Time to get back on track, which is about handling the innocents of a fake war.
There was nothing fake about the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy_Wolfie
JeffT and DavidC are applying rules unequally on different kingdoms.
According to you, a player without all the information the devs have at their disposal, arguing with a moderator and being belligerent to her for no reason whatsoever. You see why your opinion isn't really worth much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
-DM <3
There have been countless wars waged because one disgruntled kd member gave away a button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombies are people too
It sucks that 1:9 had a multi monarch, but that's where his cheating stopped. It's the kingdoms fault for not removing him from the kd or electing a new monarch.
If we're going to be expanding the definition of fake war like this, I think we should just revamp the declaration system to something fully democratic.
Not to mention that, if we're going to treat this as a fake war, the admins should get serious about other forms of war abuse. Like farm outs for crowns, I'd like to see you defend that then? I don't recall you or Sassy_Wolfie decrying the injustice of Ronins crowning last age?
After all, agreement or no, how can a war not be fake if one side goes into it intending to lose to helping the other side?
Seems the admins want to control what circumstances are valid and which are not, but only for ghettos.
A recap for those who are easily confused:
1:9 offered war to 6:2, Diamonds of Alliance of Diamonds. (that's what it is, Art of Destruction my left buttock)
Diamonds accepted
1:9 offered the WW if Diamonds hit certain provs
6:2 Diamonds agreed
Diamonds got deleted (hurrah)
1:9 offered war to 6:4
6:4 accepted
1:9 offered WW if 6:4 hit certain provs
6:4 declined
1:9 said they had a dodgy monarch/steward
6:4 suggested 1:9 got mods involved.
Mods got involved and war was stopped.
6:4 unhappy as they wasted their time and entered that war in good faith, and leave it with no creds etc.
To make sense of this thread you need to have read the thread called FAKE WAR.
In that thread was detailed the goings-on and also how Diamonds was rightfully deleted for FW. Unfortunately it was closed by Sassy as she didn't like the content.
So I'll just repeat the content I guess she didn't like.
Diamonds is a dirty cheater who leads an alliance to help his mates out, the members are pretty well known for shady play such as hitting into wars, hitting opponents pre war, etc. A dirty little arrangement and what always amuses me is that the foot soldiers in this kind of thing have no clue how the inner circles really are run and work. You can't cure naive. And of course those in the inner circle will lie and lie. All alliances are the same and always have been. I must say it's really nice to see that Diamonds himself has been exposed and deleted for his actions. We all know what to think of those who defend the indefensible.
I really hate agreeing with Pillz but I have to say as an outsider to any disputes I am not impressed with Sassy's moderation, nor with her sarcastic comments towards Emerix in this thread. Totally uncalled for.
6:4 deserve sympathy, choosing a cheap war is something most of us would do it if was offered on a plate, though of course we might all consider if there's something going on with that. They accepted a war, and were collateral damage in sorting out the situation. I understand they are upset. On the other hand if they sit and think about what else the devs might possibly have done to sort the situation out, there isn't really a whole lot of choices.
Or as stated by them, they are improving their policing so I imagine, but cannot confirm because I am just a player, that examples as you mentioned last age will probably cease to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Instead of grandstanding and demeaning everyone you don't agree with, or don't do things the way you feel they should be done, why not use your expansive knowledge of the game, it's history, and mechanics in a positive and helpful matter? Instead of being a pillar of the community, you come across as a hateful, petty individual that opens their credibility to debate and basically turns away everyone you call out in a vulgar, unnecessary manner.
-DM <3
As opposed to being a pillar of the Dirty Diamond's club while pretending to be an energetic youthful, dewy eyes beacon of hope and fair play, as you do? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombies are people too
What's your problem? The fact you think im a pillar in aod is proof by example that you don't know what you're talking about concerning AoD or me for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
-DM <3
I refer you to my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombies are people too
You are a self confessed member of AOD.
Either you are naive or you are one of the inner circle that will lie and lie.
It's one of the other.
But it sounds to me like you are defending the indefensible so I know which one I now believe it to be. I'm sure others will also draw their own conclusions.
I'm done talking to you now in this thread, because it simply detracts from the original focus.
Sweetiepie,
Why so much hate towards me?
AoD is not the same AoD it was 10 years ago. I am not the same person I was 10 years ago..I was a teenager then, an adult now..Gotta stop dwelling on the past and whatever wrong doings you had with AoD and move on. Sorry in advance if we caused you any problems, but I do not recall your name.
Do you think rape victims shouldn't have been dressed so provocatively too? Stop victim blaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
It hasn't been expanded at all. Having pre-determined outcomes has always been considered as a fake war. Agreeing to trade a war win for some other thing has always been considered a fake war. Both of which have been actioned many times prior.Quote:
If we're going to be expanding the definition of fake war like this,
Talking about the past wrongs you did, and saying you are a reformed character now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamonds
YOU JUST GOT DELETED FOR CHEATING AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!
And all the other crap your Alliance of Diamonds does NOW is the point.