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espionage - intel?
sabotage - everything else?
already said that cb and ce (or whatever they are to be called) won't change this age so that just leaves 100% accurate iniltrate,survey, som, sos..for the rest of us its as per normal. looks like yer gnome is your intel race. who wants that role in a kd? esp. when your the fun killer...what is chastity anyway??
maybe chastity would be something like:
all thieves caught in ops against you are chastened and "compelled" to server your guild in return for their puny lives
how about something like "Procure News" instead of snatch news?
gnome - garbage like last age, without +10% population
elf, same, lot of spells and mana but ... you need runes, weak army, bad economy,
maybe tactician but can't compare to avians or dwarves
Human - Offensive Specialist Strength : -1 , good for nothing in war time, noobs choice
halfing , near garbage, can keep 2..3 of them in a warring kingdom thought
avian tactician - kills them all with over 100 opa who need intel OOW
dwarf artisan - better than last age !
good luck in a new Hit THE GHETTO, destructive age , dominated by avians in top, not waring, kingdoms and dwarf+avians in waring kingdoms
chastity removes all bad words in kingdoms forum
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Originally Posted by timberlee
Gotta figure it's war spoils since war spoils is their best spell & conspicuously absent.
As to the rest, be nice to know what it meant so we could plan.
Does anyone else realize that orcs now have +50% gains?
lucky, orc having +50% gains means nothing when avian has +30% gains now; avian on server atm is played by 4x as many orcs. I'm not sure what they wish to accomplish, they boosted avian, who didn't really need it, and yet no boost to elf (who has 100 more players than orc) and their boost to orc isn't very effective unless you include one of two personalities with orc, which limits its options severely in terms of uniqueness. Just like dwarf//artisan, there are very few types of orcs that can be played.
Orc should get a better bonus, or avian should have their +30% gains removed. Elf should get access to all spells, or have an economy boost. -50% draft for orcs and -50% wages for elves worked well for both of those races to be used a lot. WIthout them, they are the lowest 2 used on the server. their numbers combined equal less than that of Gnome, which was aimed to be strengthened by making thievery stronger, yet weakened by splitting into two races.
If the goal is to try to see who has the closest guess on how many people will play elf without going over, then maybe this current way is most effective. However, if the goal is to create races that accomplish certain things in order to promote balance through variation in the game (like most other games seek to accomplish) then these lack of changes are going in the wrong direct. Sure Gnome and Halfer accomplish this, but avian and orc are so similar and very limited in options they can perform (Tactician, Warrior) and elf is just all around weak with it's lack of economy, DE is more or less forced to be a t/m (which elf cannot even do effectively).
Mystic doesn't get any boost, still dumb 4 point specs, avian boosted for no reason, yep living up to their rep I guess.
Orcs still not all that worth playing in my opinion unless you come up with something really keen. Even though they have +50% gains, that just means fatter faster in war. Plague can be easily thwarted with NB or Shepherd persona. :S
It was a common theme that Mystic needs a boost. What did they do? Take away intel spells. They most really hate A/Ms.
I suppose I'll give them some credit for nerfing the dwarf/artisan combo alil. There are some interesting things but forcing every-one to run more tpa is super SH!TTY!
Agreed but you know these are too senseable for the devs appearently, why balance the game. :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuriho
Elf is decent but do need a boost I would personally give them 'all spells', Allans too old school I guess.
Your change isn't impressive for coming age. My guess is that most popular race will be Dark Elf, Dwarf, and Halfing for next age. I would recommend that you should work on orc, elf, human and gnome. Then, you have better option to play from.
" forcing every-one to run more tpa is super SH!TTY! "
wrong, if cb spell/op is easy then you need less tpa, your huge 100...120 opa army will crush fast any noob
adventuring to play de, halfing or useless gnome ;
having low ofence will ensure they will be meat for avians OOW too, they can't retal
halflings have war spoils...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeVille
[08:58] <&Blitz> Specific Spellbook: Town Watch, Vermin, Chastity
[08:58] <&Blitz> Chastity
[08:58] <&Blitz> what's that ?
[08:59] <&Machiavelli> Chastity is sexual behavior of a man or woman acceptable to the moral norms and guidelines of a culture, civilization, or religion.
[09:01] <&Blitz> :))))
[09:02] <&Blitz> cant argue with that
[09:02] <&Blitz> you are totaly corect
[09:02] <&Blitz> :))
[09:02] <&Machiavelli> xD
[09:02] <&Blitz> hmm
[09:02] <&Blitz> based on that
[09:02] <&Blitz> wtf can that be
[09:02] <&Blitz> I was thinking it's a spell that makes your peasants stop growing
[09:02] <&Machiavelli> I thougth of less peasent grow or something
[09:02] <&Blitz> yea
[09:02] <&Blitz> or none
[09:02] <&Blitz> one of them
[09:02] <&Machiavelli> but that would give it the same effect as storms
btw, elf is underpowered and maybe gnome (but gnome needs clarifications - wich intel are 100% acurate, what's with that Weight, and with that Chastity)
Bye bye gnome.Quote:
Originally Posted by timberlee
Is like stripping down a car for parts.
Strawman! Ad hominem! Non Sequitor!Quote:
Originally Posted by FireBones
Now, if you're in a WARRING Kingdom then you obviously will need to update intel, even if that means expending all your mana over a single CB on an Elf Mystic. Now where do you get this hogwash about bottom feeding about?
I supplied empirical evidence... you supplied nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireBones
I STATED FACTS, you let air loose
and what do I get? Just an angry child who hasn't taken a formal critical thinking course.
As someone who chained several gnome attackers to the floor, I know you to be lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireBones
Gnomes are great for turtling and avoiding ambushes... but they excel in the turtling aspect... and FAIL at the attacking aspect.
In terms of NW efficiency? How about in terms of population efficiency? Oh wait... gnomes no longer have that bonus any more (shepherds do). Gnomes are easy to make out of any race if you only care about "networth efficiency" you gain a little more NW from the defspecs, but the gnome elite is no more NW efficient than an offspec.
Now to push the point home.
Avian and Human Elites are 1.23 offensive point per NW. Gnome is 1.25 NW offensive point per NW... but gnome needs more elites to make an attack than Avian or Human does... in fact, ignoring build differences, Gnome would need 60% more elites. (8 / 5)
Now, since the Gnome Defense is its elites, and thus their elites are 1.25 defensive point per NW where as human defspecs and avian defspecs are 1 defensive point per NW you can have a +25% bonus to def, but you still need 60% more elites to attack... so you'll have 20% less def.
Unless, of course... you specifically target overly weak targets with little defense, then their def is much lower than yours (after you attack) when they're all out.
Seriously Now, Storms isn't effective enough as is... and here you're yelling about "going it alone" and "bringing down dwarf shepherds".Quote:
Originally Posted by FireBones
I guess on planet FireBones they haven't heard of "It's the beginning of a new bloody age" and are assuming that everyone is going to start with +200% food production. (And also, I guess the people on Planet Firebones don't realize that if I MV your fertile lands I could bring you into starvation).Quote:
Originally Posted by FireBones