BS. I still do not know who strippers are nor have I spoken to any of them. But if any in there need a home there is a spot here for them. So you will have to show me where ...Elmo posted such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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BS. I still do not know who strippers are nor have I spoken to any of them. But if any in there need a home there is a spot here for them. So you will have to show me where ...Elmo posted such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Its in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
"But he started it!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
And had you kept your mouth shut, not threatened us, done your dealing with the Strippers and allow us to resolve our conflict with sheister, we would've moved on without touching any other prov in your kingdom and this situation wouldn't have existed.
How this could've worked out: we wave sheister -> RoO ask abi what's going on -> abi explains DD conflict with sheister -> RoO explains their conflict with strippers -> both sides work out a fair deal, end of story.
What took place instead: we wave sheister -> RoO threatens DD "STFO or be razed" -> abi explains DD conflict with sheister -> RoO responds "IDGAF, STFO or be razed. We don't care about your conflict with sheister but we expect you to honor our conflict with strippers"
Work on diplomacy skills - neither you nor Bishop are very good at it at all, and I'm surprised veteran players like you who constantly boast about their utopia resume hasn't yet developed the proper problem-solving skill between kingdoms.
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Long before either strippers OR RoO were involved, I made SEVERAL offers to your kingdom all of which have been acknowledged Legba. YOUR kingdom took the attitude that there was no leverage on my side of the negotiation therefore you could ignore me, lecture me, raze me, and there was nothing I could do about it. Now you say RoO has bad diplomacy?
Damn this is better than watching a farce...
Why do you feel like you are entitled to interfer in a conflict just cause you had a beef with a guy in my kingdom? Since now I have a beef with you guys you shouldnt have any issues with us razing into your wars/hostiles/conflicts right? Cause apparently its okey to act like a pack of ****s cause you had a beef with a guy in the kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
Why are we the ones that need to ask you guys why the **** are you waving into our conflict? When it would been so far easier to just message me and explain the situation. But no, waving into a ghetto doesnt matter nobody will care enough anyway .. or so assume your thoughts went.
You work out of the notion that you dont have any responsbility at all to do anything everyone else has to act. Why should we care about your conflict with Sheister when its obvious you dont respect anyone elses conflict? But yet here we are again you are entitled bunch of pricks that think you are allowed to interfer in any conflict without making any excuses or explainations.
My diplomacy skills are just fine so is Bishops, but when a ghetto trash like you think you are entitled to do as you wish there is no use. I actually never do boast about my Utopia resume, can you mention one kingdom ive played?
There you go Krynn. And since Strippers have renewed their efforts to raze us since you entered war, I suppose the two of you are still working together. We are such big bullies!Quote:
Originally Posted by elmoheadbutt
thank you. I am not at all comfortable with this. I will be discussing this in house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
By the time you joined RoO, it was pretty clear that you had no intention to negotiate. It went from "CF till Yr 11" to "CF till Yr 11 + apology from Abi". RoO leadership kindly stepped in to speak on your behalf, and they did it poorly with wrong attitude and approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
It wasn't so much as interfering with your conflict as much as it was about resolving out side of conflict that existed long before yours with the Strippers. There actually was an order specifying that no one else other than sheister should be hit.. before your stepped in with such kind words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Go ahead. It was expected.Quote:
Since now I have a beef with you guys you shouldnt have any issues with us razing into your wars/hostiles/conflicts right?
When you told us to stay out of your clinflict after we waved sheister, that was fine (despite your tone, it was understandable since no one likes to be waved in the middle of another conflict), we assumed your kd wasn't pitched in on the beef between DD and sheister. The problem rose when AFTER we gave you the full details on what's been happening, instead of an attempt at trying to work something out, you decided to be on the high horse, flat out refuse to acknowledge our side of conflict (while expecting us to respect yours) and demanded that we stop razing or there will be retals. That is poor diplomacy in my book.Quote:
Why are we the ones that need to ask you guys why the **** are you waving into our conflict? When it would been so far easier to just message me and explain the situation.
Your assumption is wrong. Had sheister somehow ended at a crown kd, that still wouldn't have stopped us from waving sheister.Quote:
But no, waving into a ghetto doesnt matter nobody will care enough anyway .. or so assume your thoughts went.
We expect you to hold the same degree of basic courtesy to other kingdom as everyone else when engaging in diplomacy. We were initially polite and respectful when we gave you the full disclosure on sheister incident. Your response? "STFO or be razed" (your exact words). Why do you feel that your kd shouldn't be held to the same standard as everyone else?Quote:
You work out of the notion that you dont have any responsbility at all to do anything everyone else has to act. Why should we care about your conflict with Sheister when its obvious you dont respect anyone elses conflict? But yet here we are again you are entitled bunch of pricks that think you are allowed to interfer in any conflict without making any excuses or explainations
What do you resolve with razing someone? I mean, you claim I am bad at diplo but at least I know that if you raze someone is the opposite of resolving a issues its adding fuel to the fire.Quote:
It wasn't so much as interfering with your conflict as much as it is about resolving out side of conflict that existed long before yours with the Strippers.
I never did, I just informed abi that we would raze into your war after finished our conflict with Strippers. Neither did we demand you to stop razing Sheister why are you making up stuff? :( We attempted, 5 hits were our initial offer that was from Bishop. You guys chose to ignore it. Probably cause you think a lowly ghetto as ours is in no position to make demands. But tbh what would you know about diplomacy? You play in a mediocre kingdom thats been around since "forever" and not achieved anything noteworthy.Quote:
When you told us to stay out of your clinfct after we waved sheister, that was fine (despite your tone, it was understandable since no one likes to be waved in the middle of another conflict), we assumed your kd wasn't pitched in on the beef between DD and sheister. The problem rose when AFTER we gave you the full details on what's been happening, instead of an attempt at trying to work something out, you decided to be on the high horse, flat out refuse to acknowledge our side of conflict and instead demanded that we stop razing sheister or there will be retals. That is poor diplomacy in my book.
You people sure like to talk big, but I am pretty sure that would not happend. Barking is what you people are good at but the bite is lacking.Quote:
Your assumption is wrong. Had sheister somehow ended at a crown kd, that still wouldn't have stopped us from waving sheister.
You werent, abi was lyinig her teeth off, claiming she knew me and that we were laughing at Sheister toghter on whatsapp. Also that when she told me about Sheister I wouldnt lift a finger to help Sheister. This is a golden nugget that I saved from our diplo.Quote:
We expect you to hold the same degree of basic courtesy to other kingdom as everyone else when engaging in diplomacy. We were initially polite and respectful when we gave you the full disclosure on sheister incident. Your response? "STFO or be razed". Why do you feel that your kd shouldn't be held to the same standard as everyone else?
Why are you even bother writing anything, you are not up to speed for any of this. It seems you actually dont know anything? Cause you make things up as you go on.Quote:
Maybe if you'd spoken to a few more people you'd have heard the name Dungeon Dwellers. and you'd know how foolish it is to declare a vendetta on us
Abi was the one with the majority of the attitude and the wrong approach: "We are DD, we are amazing and famous, don't **** with us or you'll regret it" (roflmao). "I know your monarch" (it was Korp btw). "Octo doesn't think very highly of you" (we have the logs btw).Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
One of the stupidest things said in the thread thus far.Quote:
It wasn't so much as interfering with your conflict as much as it is about resolving out side of conflict that existed long before yours with the Strippers.
What were we supposed to work out? According to what Sheister told us & has posted in this thread, he believed his business with you had been concluded. Maybe you would have figured that out if you had PM'd us before razing him & interfering in our very active hostile with Strippers. Your conflict was none of our business, Sheister hadn't attacked you from our kingdom and as far as we are/were concerned you had no conflict. You are nothing but a ghetto with a grudge power tripping on your (first ever) size advantage. So of course we will threaten retals. Are you dense?Quote:
When you told us to stay out of your clinflict after we waved sheister, that was fine (despite your tone, it was understandable since no one likes to be waved in the middle of another conflict), we assumed your kd wasn't pitched in on the beef between DD and sheister. The problem rose when AFTER we gave you the full details on what's been happening, instead of an attempt at trying to work something out, you decided to be on the high horse, flat out refuse to acknowledge our side of conflict (while expecting us to respect yours) and demanded that we stop razing or there will be retals. That is poor diplomacy in my book.
Considering the spectacle of Abi trying to avoid Spartans & Sanctus razing you guys yesterday, I highly doubt that.Quote:
Your assumption is wrong. Had sheister somehow ended at a crown kd, that still wouldn't have stopped us from waving sheister.
We have all the original PM's saved. Abi was a **** from start to finish.Quote:
We expect you to hold the same degree of basic courtesy to other kingdom as everyone else when engaging in diplomacy. We were initially polite and respectful when we gave you the full disclosure on sheister incident. Your response? "STFO or be razed" (your exact words). Why do you feel that your kd shouldn't be held to the same standard as everyone else?
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> Noble Lady with nachos the Warrior of A Dish Served Cold (x:x) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was gonna let it go, but okey doke. You have no idea the KD you just started messing with. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
1) She doesn't really know OctoQuote:
> Queen Abigail the Blessed of Dungeon Diva (x:x) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Actually, I know Octobrev very well indeed. We have had a dialogue for many many ages now. And we're not messing with them. We're messing with you as you messed with us. I'm actually laughing with your monarch on whatsapp right now.. he won't be doing anything to help you after seeing the nuisance you've made of yourself.
You declared war on this kingdom. And now you're going to find out how big a mistake that was. Good luck finding any kingdom that is willing to support your OOW raze vendetta on Dungeon Dwellers.
2) He wasn't our monarch
3) She never spoke to our monarch
4) There was no laughing
5) Our monarch did decide to help him
6) Arrogance arrogance arrogance
All her messages are the same. "Who cares about your hostile" "I know octobrev!!!11!111!!1" and "We will raze you because you can't mess with Dungeon Dwellers, respect meeeeeeeee".
Razing expanded to your core only after you've expressed your disinterest in engaging in a talk. Again, a direct result of poor diplomacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Your kd absolutely did demand that we stop razing sheister (you didn't explicitly say sheister's name, but at the time the only prov we were razing was sheister and sheister only, so when you say "get out of my hostile", it was pretty clear that you were covering for sheister).Quote:
I never did, I just informed abi that we would raze into your war after finished our conflict with Strippers. Neither did we demand you to stop razing Sheister why are you making up stuff? :( We attempted, 5 hits were our initial offer that was from Bishop. You guys chose to ignore it. Probably cause you think a lowly ghetto as ours is in no position to make demands. But tbh what would you know about diplomacy? You play in a mediocre kingdom thats been around since "forever" and not achieved anything noteworthy.
We never ignored bishop's initial proposal. As a matter of fact, there was a direct response to it (the answer was "no, we wont give you free hits", which is still an acknowledgement of your offer) followed by our reasons on why we couldn't accept it. It had no indication that it was meant to be condescending. You are the one that keeps calling yourselves "lowly ghetto", not us :) I have the transcript if you need proof of it.
I honestly don't care what abi has said and hasn't said 3 weeks ago. Several of us made attempt to talk to you guys in abi's absence, each time you keep resorting back to what abi, the daughter of lucifer, the epitome of all damnation, had said and couldn't move on from it. If you really needed to resolve this, you wouldn't have kept bringing up more reasons to not resolve it.Quote:
You werent, abi was lyinig her teeth off, claiming she knew me and that we were laughing at Sheister toghter on whatsapp. Also that when she told me about Sheister I wouldnt lift a finger to help Sheister. This is a golden nugget that I saved from our diplo.
Everything I said are 100% factual.Quote:
Why are you even bother writing anything, you are not up to speed for any of this. It seems you actually dont know anything? Cause you make things up as you go on.
That was after bishop and korp kindly told us to **** off. Abi had simply returned the favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
If our conflict was none of your business, you shouldn't expect us to care about your conflict. Even had we snatched news and became aware of your little conflict, it still would give us no reason to stop doing what we were doing to sheister (based on your logic). Your kingdom became our problem when Bishop (or was it Korp, or both, who cares) made it a point to raze us into our war.Quote:
What were we supposed to work out? According to what Sheister told us & has posted in this thread, he believed his business with you had been concluded. Maybe you would have figured that out if you had PM'd us before razing him & interfering in our very active hostile with Strippers. Your conflict was none of our business, Sheister hadn't attacked you from our kingdom and as far as we are/were concerned you had no conflict.
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We have all the original PM's saved. Abi was a **** from start to finish.
1) She doesn't really know Octo
2) He wasn't our monarch
3) She never spoke to our monarch
4) There was no laughing
5) Our monarch did decide to help him
6) Arrogance arrogance arrogance
All her messages are the same. "Who cares about your hostile" "I know octobrev!!!11!111!!1" and "We will raze you because you can't mess with Dungeon Dwellers, respect meeeeeeeee".
OK, so that was abi's message to sheister, long before RoO even first reached out to us. Thanks for the irrelevant post.
Your conflict with Sheister had been inactive for days, and razing him accomplishes nothing. He'd already spent the better part of the age kingdom hopping to raze you. What did you hope to accomplish by chasing him further? We've asked you this repeatedly but you never give an answer - probably because you yourselves didn't expect to accomplish anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
You talk about poor diplomacy, but razing a single solo province all age who is willing to spend the age waiting to raze you is a shining example of terrible diplomacy on behalf of the kingdom, no the individual.
You should have checked with us before razing him. And you should have backed off when we told you to. This is your punishment for not doing so, and for failing to take negotiations seriously. Each time we backed away it was a result of Abi's actions DURING the course of talks. Whether it had been incendiary forum posts or telling randoms to perma kill us.
She sent similar messages to Korp.Quote:
OK, so that was abi's message to sheister, long before RoO even first reached out to us. Thanks for the irrelevant post.
You claimed you were resolving a conflict you had with Sheister, I asked what does razing resolve? Disinterest, you had no interest at all in engaging in diplo, im pretty sure if i hadnt sent any msg you wouldnt given a **** about what we thought to begin with.Quote:
Razing expanded to your core only after you've expressed your disinterest in engaging in a talk. Again, a direct result of poor diplomacy.
So you claim that you know better than me I who were a major part of my kingdoms diplo towards your kingdom? Razing anyone in my kingdom even if it would been a inactive I would responded in the same way, Its ****ing rude to not inform or even mention anything.Quote:
Your kd absolutely did demand that we stop razing sheister (you didn't explicitly say sheister's name, but at the time the only prov we were razing was sheister and sheister only, so when you say "get out of my hostile", it was pretty clear that you were covering for sheister).
You acknowledge Bishops initial diplo now suddenly previously you claimed we made outrageous claims of acres or what not as diplo? How do you want it?Quote:
We never ignored bishop's initial proposal. As a matter of fact, there was a direct response to it (the answer was "no, we wont give you free hits", which is still an acknowledgement of your offer) followed by our reasons on why we couldn't accept it. It had no indication that it was meant to be condescending. You are the one that keeps calling yourselves "lowly ghetto", not us :) I have the transcript if you need proof of it.
If you really wanted to resolve this you wouldnt have bothered to raze Sheister anymore. Works both ways, besides abi as monarch set the bar for future discussions. But what does it matter if you talk, that is all there is to it talk.Quote:
I honestly don't care what abi has said and hasn't said 3 weeks ago. Several of us made attempt to talk to you guys in abi's absence, each time you keep resorting back to what abi, the daughter of lucifer, the epitome of all damnation, had said and couldn't move on from it. If you really needed to resolve this, you wouldn't have kept bringing up more reasons to not resolve it.
No they arent, they are rewrites plus you havent even managed to mention one kingdom i played in even though you claimed i boasted so much about my Utopia resume.Quote:
Everything I said are 100% factual.
Are you drunk, neither me or Bishop has razed you guys into war until now today. You havent been in war since our "conflict" started. You guys started raze us as a "pre-emptive" meassure. So please stop with the lies already, you making yourself look dumber than you are.Quote:
If our conflict was none of your business, you shouldn't expect us to care about your conflict. Even had we snatched news and became aware of your little conflict, it still would give us no reason to stop doing what we were doing to sheister (based on your logic). Your kingdom became our problem when Bishop (or was it Korp, or both, who cares) made it a point to raze us into our war.
"long before" Very long, we are just establishing what a liar abi is and what kind of person she is.Quote:
OK, so that was abi's message to sheister, long before RoO even first reached out to us. Thanks for the irrelevant post.
Should note it wasn't that long before... about 16 hours.
Wow, and somehow they think they will come out ahead in all of this........
guys..... its not gonna happen. you screwed up. First you made a moronic hit (learning a sage in week2 of the wage is the height of stupidity). Then when said sage made an obvious pressure pose (give me a yr5 48 hr CF as punishment for being a moron (or words to that effect)) you decided to get into an e-penis measuring contest rather than CFing the miscreant, preparing for march 1 yr 5 and then kicking his teeth in.
You have no concept of anything related to how to conduct this game. It is ridiculous.
Yr 11 CF was offered to your steward after you WD from the second war legba. Get a freaking clue eh? You were offered it and did not accept. I took your silence for ghetto snivilling and moved on. My mistake, I should have just kept razing you and advised my monarch at the time not to CF you. Fear not, DD will never get the benefit of the doubt from anyone again.
Welcome to my permanent victim wagon. As I have said before, I probably won't get satisfaction this age, but I will get it another, and another, and another. Someone always leaks locations buddy. You will be found, you will be made to pay.
Now sit back and waste your chances to have a decent war by trying to raze me some more while you continue to be ineffective.
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 11 of YR9 till April 4 of YR9 - 18 hours
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 8 (0 acres)
-- Raze: 8 (0 acres)
-- Uniques: 3
Total attacks suffered: 36 (0 acres)
-- Traditional march: 1 (0 acres)
-- Raze: 32 (0 acres)
-- Plunder: 2
-- Failed: 1 (2.8% failure)
-- Uniques: 14
** The kingdom of x:x **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (8/36)
- sexnolltva (4/0)
- IvannaBlikeOctoPls (1/15)
- qqqquad damage (4/10)
- Toilet Paper (0/7)
- Kalosis (0/3)
** The kingdom of y:y **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (22/9)
- YourButt Dungeon (1/0)
- Dungeon Shadow (2/0)
- Dungeon Diva (3/0)
- Dungeon Tigress (3/0)
- Dungeon with a view (2/0)
- Dungeon Wastes (3/0)
- Dungeon Reaper (3/0)
- Dungeon Chuck Norris (2/0)
- Imagawa (3/0)
- Dungeon Macho (0/9)
15 of your 25 razes all on me. You are all pathetic. 36 hits into us rather than your war. You are down 4 provinces from VM mode. You have others that can't hit, but lets assume all 18 are attackers. 18*4*2 = 144.
25%! Of your attacks......
Pathetic...
"Are you drunk, neither me or Bishop has razed you guys into war until now today. You havent been in war since our "conflict" started. You guys started raze us as a "pre-emptive" meassure. So please stop with the lies already, you making yourself look dumber than you are."
to be fair, you had said that was your plan. Yes the razes are preemptive. And BTW, Abi has not been involved in here for a LONG time. I do not think you have had any "open" dialog with her what so ever. (and should not) I would not know of any private PMz sent.
I look at this and think, before Abi came to DD i cant recall DD ever being mentioned in such a bad light. The trick with cancer is to have it removed as quickly as possible to stop it spreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
Just yesterday Abi decided to antagonize Korp, myself, and members of Sanctus in #tactics....Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
I guess yesterday is a long time, like 16 hours is a long time.
no I was not aware of that. As you know I said my so longs in there and left you all be. Maybe some day I can return and use the room as intended. Sorry to hear that trouble was caused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Not sure how to respond to this. Let me get back to you on this. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brickwolfman
Oh dear!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Let me help you, you should have booted Abi from the KD weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
just wanna say here I gave over the reins of sanctus to higher beings. Whatever they do is not on me :)
Chicken....
I might have to ask my superiors for a transfer to Sanctus, they have all the fun :(
But then wouldn't she just join korp & Company and make a bigger snowball?Quote:
Originally Posted by brickwolfman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec76auSpcHY
We should always explore constructive solutions. We have real world examples that parallel this conflict. I'm not talking about how it effects us, in a game. This is an opportunity to explore the possible corrective measures and evolve Utopian culture. I recommend resolve and patience and perspective. DD have every indicator of the old kingdoms. In the real world this is like those good neighborhoods that are safe and active with youth sports etc. But someone upset a biker and they're intimidating the serene populace. Local guys stand up and fight but the bikers don't go away.
There are many who just move away, but the strength of a community is exactly that, a community based in upholding culture above barbarism. We are better for it.
Resolve - Don't stop, even when it's done. It's a constant entity.
Patience - Drawing ire from some of the most famously stubborn players requires this.
Perspective - The game is on, so play it. Experiments here don't break anything.
Have fun.
So, you are saying I am a biker? I thought I was the pastry chef.....
Strato you are killing me!
You have to be both for Mrs Significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
I'm just the creepo that nods with approval when folks kiss at the end - don't mind me.
http://i.imgur.com/DGboQEU.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
So im curious, which one of you was magically added to the DD KD as DieDefectDisban. What a cowinky dink that someone was just randomly with that name was added, then you just happen to be given info from the forums..... Cause we all know that bishop wouldn't miss use his powers for that kind of thing now ........ Someones got some real luck.
???
huh? I see no province by that name. More details?
That's some tinfoil banana hammock stuff.
*makes more popcorn*
Again, I'll ask. If you seriously think Bishop would abuse his powers to put you guys at a disadvantage, why not just delete all of your kingdom? This is a serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by lillylu29
Edit: just to add, Bishop actually has the authority to delete your provs, so even deleting you guys wouldn't technically be an abuse of power lol
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Originally Posted by Palem
that makes it to obvious..... I didnt say he was stupid.
you didn't think they were gonna let someone with a really coincidental name like that live very long did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
July 5 of YR8 In local kingdom strife Dungeon XXXX (X:X) invaded Disband Defect Die (X:X) and razed 81 acres of land.
had the name a tad wrong.... but you all get the drift.....
Disband Defect DieQuote:
Originally Posted by lillylu29
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).
Yes, this was in fact Bishop infiltrating your KD by abusing his admin privileges. Then to make it legit he razed himself with a 2nd multi.
Well considering the guy didnt make it an hour out of protection your little post is all LIE... LOL nice try tho......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
July 5 of YR8 Alas, the once proud province of Disband Defect Die has collapsed and lies in ruins.
February 16 of YR9 DDD (x:x) razed 15 acres of ops ops ops (RoO).Quote:
Originally Posted by lillylu29
To say nothing of the fact the province names are different.... but obviously share a similarity that I think is lost on you (you can't reuse province names when you're killed if that makes connecting the dots easier for you)
so your just gonna assume its the same person and make up that it was bishop and assume its the same thing? DDD is not in the DD's KD. SO it has nothing to do with DD as you would like to try and redirect it to be. keep that smoke screen up.... not to mention the fact you have not even said that DieDefectDisban was no one you knew..... Thanks :) Ill take that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Too obvious for what? There's nothing you could do about it if he just decided to delete you.Quote:
Originally Posted by lillylu29