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Simians did not war us when we waved them and gave button.
Anri majority of our core players are former leaders and can walk into any of "fair play" kingdoms and do a bett job running them then the hacks in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
And you doubled Simians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Sanc didnt 2v1 anyone when i was there but they did when maxi mouse was a co-leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
This happend age 54 Proteus, it was a wild move, more or less the only card we could play to try and slow Rage and Sanc from free pumping while we were going to war. It backfired and Sanctuary should never have waved us when we all ready dealt button to HoH. But let the past be past for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
And we dont keep farming out, we farmed acres to SWEA one age after age 54, why? Because Elit backstabbed us, it was entirely AMAs fault for lying to Simians about thier intentions with SWEA and instead made a deal behind our back. We cant fight a KD untrained and in bad builds, we end up farmed. All thanks to Elit for that one man. You can go read the loggs, its all there.
We most certainly dont farm out every age as you claim.
Regarding the 2 vs 1 on Pyros, it was not AMAs affair to bother with. They had thier own alliance to fix things and we were doing diplomacy. In most such cases acres is returned or thier allies steps in, or outsiders comes to sort dip out. It was not AMAs fight to have and to sort out. It was just very optimistic and greedy play to get free acres from our KD. I never said it was a good wave, it was a very bad move, but those moves happens now and then. Just like Elit did a bad move and done countless of bad moves last ages. Cant take away all the wins from you, you done very good as a warring KD, but many moves can be debatted and it makes Simians look like saints the last couple of ages compared to AMA.
You participated in NW crown race with farmed acres ,you just failed to win...Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Nor did we war you when you gave us button by misstake and begged for CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Make a thread for this? Took the liberty to number the list, makes it easier to respond, but after reading them again I can just say that I disagree with all points. It's clear and simple: game mechanics + features allow the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
1. Robbing into EOWCF or whenever.
Don't sit on huge stacks of resources and have the appropriate people CFed
2. B2B
There's nothing stopping you in-game from Back-2-Back wars. You just need to make sure you won't get vultured should you require rebuild time beyond EOWCF
3. Extending CF
CFs don't need extending since they have no expiration date in-game. So for as long as either kingdom doesn't actively BREAKS the CF, you have your CF.
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Idea here: introduce timered CFs that cannot be cancelled prior to expiration date, or set a huge cost (5-10% land?) on breaking a CF.
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4. Hitting into war
Now, it would truly be Utopia if no ****playing were ever to occur. The whole point of being able to hit into war being that in the past, kingdoms would make a mess of things prior to going to war. There's a perfectly good example of this very recently where a kingdom would plunder out into some random kingdom just before they go to war (Tagged: STFO going to war). Being able to hit into war and the -75% fading in makes this kind of behaviour slightly more risky.
Anyway....you should make a thread.
What does all of this have to do with AMA dealbreaking CR again?
LOL. Oh man.. I'm dying laughing atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
I dont claim you farm out every age, i claim you farm out when you do stupid things (i.e. To set yourselves up for farmout).Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Ama did not 2v1 you, you simply were not hostile. You cant hit someone that is already hostile and claim that you are hostile too. And ama did not wave you to help pyro, we waved you because you told you wanted a war, we had a choice of waving simians or a bigger but less drafted kd and picked simians because you are known to push button and war.
You have no business being invovled in this gb anri, ama did not wrong you earlier this age. You alreadyg bed ama 2 ages ago so you cant use that as a reason to carry it over to this age. And you certainly dont condone fair play because if you did you would have stepped in many times when I was getting **** played in rage or when some other solo kd was being ****played or when rbl was dealbroke on by strippers.
People are involved for 3 reasons:
1. To win a crown (pyro/rbl/havoc)
2. Because they hate ama
3. Because they couldn't beat ama 1v1 in a fair war and want revenge/satisfaction the only way they can get it.
I said this before and I'll say it again, if pyro crowns if will be a joke crown no one will recognize and laugh at them if they try to claim it because they had 0 chance to win until ama hit havoc. Their crown will be worth as much as any other joke crown based on dealbreaks/farmouts/gbs
I'm glad i was able to make you laugh, I've been laughing at your posts for ages now as i always thought it funny how you consider yourself a big time intellectual (as far from the truth as you can get).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
I was replying to flutterby. The claims that Simians "always" wars :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Uhm American Badass was advocating a "rulebook" to prevent ****play. Very noble, but I don't think we need more rules. I love the current setup where you have to actually trust people's word and aren't blocked from "doing something nasty" by game mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
You wanna cheat on your wife? Fine, nothing stopping you from doing it...just don't come crying when your wife cleans you out financially...
If you had waved us 1 on 1 or gave us location we would have given you the button or you would have given us the button and you would have had your war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
You just wanted to get an edge on us and therefor there was no war. Its just being pathetic to think Simians backs out of wars and claim that we do when we love to war and would love to challenge AMA in a war. We dont care if you are some kind of unstopable machine in war that would crush us or whatever. We want the war to see exactly how good you are. We warred most KDs on the server over the ages and we missed out on AMA thus far. Its not about winning or losing, its more about seeing exactly how good you are and if you would not beat Simians, then shame on you for saying you are the best **** out there.
First you do not need a location to start a war. Second, you have accepted wars in way harder situation that then. Third is that it was Pyro that tricked you and read your bot info, later you stand by them, the same way you stood by SWEA who treated you way worse than AMA, and next to Pewpew who were no better ally to you than AMA. Just be honest. We were. We said dealbreak was bad and we do expect the GB. Now you just admit you are no defender of all that is good and admit u are opportunistic. I won't even start on the fact that you were the biggest enemy of current cf system and yet you jump to defend it every time it gives you an opportunity to hurt AMA (yes AMA, no Simians hits into SWEA, Pewpew, Fratzia or Pyro whatsoever).
Been said before: both PyroManiaCs and AMA had 0 chance to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
PyroManiaCs has no intention to keep an advantage over CR after this. We'll try to fight a legit war with CR for #1 position after you've been dealt with.
I don't know which part you don't understand Proteus. AMA leadership expected a GB, but you wanted to pick who you'd be GBed by?
Why couldn't you just have intra razed? Would have saved a good 40 pages of posts in this thread...
lol pyro advocating fair play, if any they are just in it for the gold nothing else, the only chance they got to Crown is to be dirty and team up with the rest of the scumbags vs the best kingdom on server (they deal breaking wasent to clever).
Pewpew/Pyro/Rage (what ever) is the most dirt lil bastards you will ever see on this server Again, atleast be men and admit you are nothing but lil dirty pigs (they can be cuddly also ;)
Havoc/CR has some nice players but as a kingdom they are just as dirty as the rest.
gl to AMA and elit in the futuere the best kingdom dont always win ;)
you must be stupid somehow because we warred pewpew, pyro, swea and we really never touched fratzia. Not sure what kind of conspiracy you are looking at here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Simians friends with pewpew? ok
Simians friends with pyro? ok whatever you say man
Simians friends with swea? sure man
Simians friends with fratzia? i would not know, we have not hit each other in many ages
Why do you think we faught Pyro?
Why do you think we waved pewpew countless of times this age?
And why do you think we would war AMA when you put us at disadvantage, for us to be able to war it should be a fair war where have a fair chance to win it if we play really good, war should not be decided beforehand because you ****play.
This is not about standing by anyones side, we would GB anyone that ****plays like you do for the best of this game.
We are hoping to go forward the next couple of ages in clean way, that includes a clean play from Simians, AMA, CR and whoever it may be.
This is what you dont get, they are not our friends, nor is CR, but we have a common agenda to make this game better.
You are just to ignorant to see it
Anri how come you never gbed pewpew they've been the dirtiest kd in the top for ages with farming out to shape crown on 2 occasions, dealbreaking, threatening 2v1s, claiming fake hostiles.
I haven't seen any fair play advocates policing them z
The main distinction is pewpew is not good enough to win and loses a lot 1v1 whereas ama is incredibly hard to beat 1v1 and a crown contender every age so people unite against them.
If this was about fair play pewpew would have been police already.
Its funny because drixx claims to support fair play but when his own alliance mate robbed ama into eow cf he did not police or condemn it . His excuse was "you have a grudge with pewpew." Also when pewpew tried to claim hostile with ama by starting a dragon project and making a thread which is not hostile by any standards no one condemned this action or actioned pewpew. Keep the hypocrisy going. Unfortunately for you guys is you are not intelligent enough to convince anyone of your propaganda of FairPlay hoohah.
AMA decided to keep the acres and think that they can get away with it on basis of future relationship (payback etc) and the fact that previous kd who ****play got away with it.
i think Elit miscalculated proteus factor which have pissed kds who are enforcing fair play now.
Where did I say there is conspiracy? I was not talking about warring them. I was talking about "punishing" them when they ****played. You never did any gbs or hits into war against them. All conflicts with them were normal top fight relations. And least to say most of these wars were not fair fight cause you never won them. I do not claim you are part of a conspiracy, I claim that you act differently in situations when kds ****play. It is all based on grudges you keep. I do not say they are with no reason. I just say that you claiming that you do it to protect the ethics of the game is total bs :).
2 PK'ed. wonder how many prov still need to die. cant hit the cows atm??
Btw i didn't get the idea what the punishment is? I mean the parameters? Do we get to lose what we gained from CR? Or we get to be killed as a kd? Also it is still blurry to me how CR after being waved by us and warring us will later raze themselves down and have a fair chance against Pyro who free farm us oow? :D Godly feel free to answer the last one.
Dude, we hitted pewpew like 1 week this age, not sure how many waves and forced pewpew to sign a treaty of fair play for this age and upcoming ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
You must have missed it, but we did.
who hold record of leader being GB the most?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I like that one! It's usually respected, funny to see one of these kd's in top not gonna name any names you know who the hell u are, did exactly that to us this age stole into our EOWCF, like I've said before it's the AAMA, same kingdoms swearing they want fair play like Simians double hostiling Pyro, yet on the other hand Anri just showing it's all about his not liking Elit, who by the way had 0 input into making the decision to deal break (i voted yes deal break).Quote:
1. Robbing into EOWCF or whenever.
Don't sit on huge stacks of resources and have the appropriate people CFed
Yet all I hear in this thread is ELit deal breaking, guy was playing chess, showed up 2 hrs for wave? wtf haters will always find justification.
Anyways I don't think there's too many players that don't agree with a morale standard for the community my problem is the hypocrisy of most of these kingdoms participating in the AAMA not fair play alliance. It's directed at one event, one kingdom yet this isn't even close to the first time that something bad was done this age.
So when do we start GB'ing Simains? Right after hear ANri renegging his initial offere of returning the acres to Pyro and telling them to stuff it because AMA took all their acres, which to me doesn't sound like the spirit of fair play lol.
Elit was playing chess, rofl
you know how many times i have not been around when crazy **** gone down?
Still you are a KD rep and need to shoulder it, i dont care if Elit was in bahamas or in egypt or playing chess like a geek. He needs to own up to what his KD does.
Exactly why you should have not got involved, because those acres was Pyros and not yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
I am sure we could have settled something with returning acres and war like some days later but you guys had to step in cause you so greedy
I assume later in the age you gave Pyro a free wave just like CR? A good guy would do so to pay back a wrong, you had no issue with giving CR acres. So did you or will you give Pyro acres? And if you haven't do you think your above the rules of fair play?
If a KD that has pumped for 7 weeks comes to wave you while being much bigger, you either fight and still get farmed or you just give acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
This time we gave acres because we did not want to FSU and we sure as hell would not be able to fight them effectively. We sure as hell did not dealbreak them and hit them on low draft while we still had a chance. And regarding Pyro, we warred them, at a slight disadvantage when our CF ran out, you should try these options!
AMA is a dealbreaking KD and no matter how you spin this thread you are getting GBed for it and every KD in the top thinks it is the right thing to do
So I assume by that answer you believe you are above the rules of fair play and haven't given Pyro's acres back? Regardless if you warred or not, you still haven't given acres? You still think your above the rules of fair play?
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth so a simple answer please when do you plan on giving Pyro a wave or do you like to make the charts lop sided by favoring one kingdom?
Is that's Simians policy? It's in my books not fair play regardless of what u say, they had to war you and gain limited acres wasting resources slowing them. Not like a kingdom that just waves for free with no retal or loss.
No, I think the deal was getting closer to AMA handing over the stolen Pyro acres. As for ****play by Simians: they double hostiled PyroManiaCs, apologized, took it back...and got f-ed up by AMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
PyroManiaCs settled the situation the way it should be settled: in war.
AMA should have just sucked it up and settle on tax amount to CR post-war and just war PyroManiaCs. For people claiming they are the best kingdom around, it would only be 48h before the n00bs of PyroManiaCs would decide to farm out, right?
Edited: post #994, who will be post #1000 ?!
Not me
About time AMA gets what they deserve
We were definitely hostile to pyro. A button was given to them. They had yet to return the hits when you guys decided to wave us but that doesn't change the fact that pyro had a button and if you want to talk about fair play and ama being the best kd, then perhaps you should take a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you need any sort of advantage to wave/war a kd that you believe to be weak and pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
Nor me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
cJ, do you have an updated summary for those of us who don't want to read the whole forum?
I AM POST #1000.
I WIN!
How many of you utopians could say you ever made the #1000 post in a thread??!?!?
DO I GET A PRIZE??
I WIN! pewpewpew!
-cJ