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We were definitely hostile to pyro. A button was given to them. They had yet to return the hits when you guys decided to wave us but that doesn't change the fact that pyro had a button and if you want to talk about fair play and ama being the best kd, then perhaps you should take a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you need any sort of advantage to wave/war a kd that you believe to be weak and pathetic.

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Chuck pull your head out your righteous ass please. You waved Pew Pew for a week deciding that a Player Ovenmitt shouldn't be able to play for pew pew, far more times then we waved you btw. Plus you guys were part of the 3 vs GB the last time and I suppose that had no bearing on the situation to add in calling us out?

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Originally Posted by Anri

Dude, we hitted pewpew like 1 week this age, not sure how many waves and forced pewpew to sign a treaty of fair play for this age and upcoming ages.
You must have missed it, but we did.

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You didnt hit pewpew when they were ****playing other and action thm for it. You did what benefits your kingdom, again the selective policing i refer to rather than playing by a determined set of morals consistently. You have just proven again how this gb is a joke as people are inconsistent in playing "fair" and put on their fairness hat when it suite them.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You didnt hit pewpew when they were ****playing other and action thm for it. You did what benefits your kingdom, again the selective policing i refer to rather than playing by a determined set of morals consistently. You have just proven again how this gb is a joke as people are inconsistent in playing "fair" and put on their fairness hat when it suite them.

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so much crying its sad

on a lighter subject can we have an update after the wave? Seems like 3rd pk is done.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You didnt hit pewpew when they were ****playing other and action thm for it. You did what benefits your kingdom, again the selective policing i refer to rather than playing by a determined set of morals consistently. You have just proven again how this gb is a joke as people are inconsistent in playing "fair" and put on their fairness hat when it suite them.

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I hope you don't plan on pretending you're an exception.

The 2v1 on AMA was justified when you were in ABS!

But now the dealbreak by AMA on a KD of 24 different people than were in Havoc is justified by that double hostile.

You're such a duplicitous twat.

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Originally Posted by Meep

I hope you don't plan on pretending you're an exception.

The 2v1 on AMA was justified when you were in ABS!

But now the dealbreak by AMA on a KD of 24 different people than were in Havoc is justified by that double hostile.

You're such a duplicitous twat.

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+1 just for making me lookup duplicitous

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You didnt hit pewpew when they were ****playing other and action thm for it. You did what benefits your kingdom, again the selective policing i refer to rather than playing by a determined set of morals consistently. You have just proven again how this gb is a joke as people are inconsistent in playing "fair" and put on their fairness hat when it suite them.

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It's amuzing that you always try to find some way to blaim stuff on PewPew.
We aren't perfect, and we don't claim to be.

You on the other hand claim to be the worlds best kingdom, the best player in the world, and the most skillful/talented aswell.
When you do such a claim, life can get though because failing to live up to it makes stuff like these happen.

The facts are simple. Four sets in a row you've been manipulating all kingdoms closest to you, including your allies. (Selling allies, making secret deals, forcing other kds to do your dirty fightning, dealbreaking, powerplaying, pure straight bullying, making up lies about events, dragging kingdoms to forum and trashtalking them ). No wonder they are mad at you.

How many sets will it take for you to learn that you need to look at your own actions first, before playing the blaim game ? The blaim game hurts !

This age you warred us, 1vs1, you beat us, and we did nothing more than congratulate you. Still to this day you take every opportunity to drag our name into dirt and use every possible situation to twist the truth and chain of events. Perhaps if your kingdom treated other kingdoms with more respect none of this would ever happened.

You can't beat respect into another kingdom. You can only earn it.
If AMA wants respect, you should start doing what you claim to be doing in the forums. Peole see that what you say and what you do doesn't compute.

And for the record, I don't claim PewPew to be better or worse than any other kingdom here, that goes aswell for CR and AMA aswell.
Just that AMA says one thing and doing the complete opposite, which apparently many other kingdoms do not do.

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Originally Posted by Meep

I hope you don't plan on pretending you're an exception.

The 2v1 on AMA was justified when you were in ABS!

But now the dealbreak by AMA on a KD of 24 different people than were in Havoc is justified by that double hostile.

You're such a duplicitous twat.

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+1 for making me look up twat, those things are nasty

I care nought for top play nor charts, but if your intention was to try and show the rest of the server that you are all ‘righteous’ and ‘going to turn over a new-leaf’ then a mass GB on a KD that one of those involved in the GB backed into a corner is not exactly going to win you any favours as far as I’m concerned.

So AMA had CFs expiring with CR and Pyro at the same time, this is obviously not good and you could argue poorly organised on their behalf. They wanted to war Pyro not CR, so the obvious way for them around this was to negotiated a shortened CF with Pyro so they could war them so that CR couldn’t notice.

However CR effectively removed that option by stating very openly that they would hit into any war organised that way, or that was certainly how I read the below posts from Godly:

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Originally Posted by Godly

We will be noticing you Jan 1st and hitting you April 1st. What you choose to do is your own business. Those are the only cards we have and we will be playing them.

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Originally Posted by Godly

Meep, they have the exact same notice with Pyro. So unless they pull a Pew2 (which they chastised so much and I believe ultimately hit into that war) and reduce the notice time to enter a planned war to run away from the better kingdom, i seriously doubt they'll be in war April 1st. There's lots of ways this can play out, but hopefully AMA will work out some kind of deal prior to this. We really don't want to be "that kingdom."

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Therefore what do you propose AMA do, accept a 2 v 1 or war interference because CR does not like AMA using Diplo to get themselves out of the problem they had? One could equally argue CR had organised poorly to be in a position where their only targets to hit were AMA...

I'm probably missing some timeline, but those are the bits that stick in my mind and nothing in this thread convinces me that this age or next age will be any change at all...

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Originally Posted by Crazy Pete

Chuck pull your head out your righteous ass please. You waved Pew Pew for a week deciding that a Player Ovenmitt shouldn't be able to play for pew pew, far more times then we waved you btw. Plus you guys were part of the 3 vs GB the last time and I suppose that had no bearing on the situation to add in calling us out?

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You make it sound as if that GB was uncalled for!

It was not uncalled for, you deserved it maybe more then you deserve this one.
I do not understand the way you think. Like we ****played you when you ****played all of us and it makes us mad enough to GB you.

Also there was no terms regarding Ovenmitt could not come back to pewpew. As far as i know he did shortly after he had abandoned the prov. You first ask us why did you not treat pewpew the same way we treat you, then a few posts later you use it as if it was a bad thing to handle pewpew the way we did. How do you want it? Should we not have acted against pewpew? Or should we have been idle?

AMA you seriously put yourselfs into these situations and no matter what other kds you try to blame everyone is against you this time. You dealbroke and you suffer for it.
What else is there to it?

No one here forced you to dealbreak, also i think AMA was arrogant enough to think that no one will act, and its probably the main reason you waved, because you still think you are above everyone else.

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

We will notice you and we will hit you as per our terms. We have made it very clear that was our intention. The alternative is you can work out a deal with us.

You may get to choose who you war but we equally get to choose who we notice, follow terms and commence hitting which I assure you we will do Elit.

So feel free to try and run, it won't get you far and we will still take your acres anyway.

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@Tapout:
Did you mean this one? Yea that may sound a bit scary, alright.

I wouldn't be so concerned about the Godly quotes. Not sure about that Benjamin guy's authority but I had the impression his word has some weight in the kingdom?

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Originally Posted by Anri

You make it sound as if that GB was uncalled for!

It was not uncalled for, you deserved it maybe more then you deserve this one.
I do not understand the way you think. Like we ****played you when you ****played all of us and it makes us mad enough to GB you.

Also there was no terms regarding Ovenmitt could not come back to pewpew. As far as i know he did shortly after he had abandoned the prov. You first ask us why did you not treat pewpew the same way we treat you, then a few posts later you use it as if it was a bad thing to handle pewpew the way we did. How do you want it? Should we not have acted against pewpew? Or should we have been idle?

AMA you seriously put yourselfs into these situations and no matter what other kds you try to blame everyone is against you this time. You dealbroke and you suffer for it.
What else is there to it?

No one here forced you to dealbreak, also i think AMA was arrogant enough to think that no one will act, and its probably the main reason you waved, because you still think you are above everyone else.

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No one was under the illusion that we werent going to be ganbanged.

If your wonderful coalition of justice is exactly what you are making it out to be - maybe its time to stop the TM's and exploring from certain kingdoms and acctually raze us? If it was really justice there shouldnt be any gains in there for the kds participating.

Also if we are really going to clean all slates maybe you should lead by example and stop trashtalking in every post.

Love and Peace

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Originally Posted by Tapout

I care nought for top play nor charts, but if your intention was to try and show the rest of the server that you are all ?righteous? and ?going to turn over a new-leaf? then a mass GB on a KD that one of those involved in the GB backed into a corner is not exactly going to win you any favours as far as I?m concerned.

So AMA had CFs expiring with CR and Pyro at the same time, this is obviously not good and you could argue poorly organised on their behalf. They wanted to war Pyro not CR, so the obvious way for them around this was to negotiated a shortened CF with Pyro so they could war them so that CR couldn?t notice.

However CR effectively removed that option by stating very openly that they would hit into any war organised that way, or that was certainly how I read the below posts from Godly:





Therefore what do you propose AMA do, accept a 2 v 1 or war interference because CR does not like AMA using Diplo to get themselves out of the problem they had? One could equally argue CR had organised poorly to be in a position where their only targets to hit were AMA...

I'm probably missing some timeline, but those are the bits that stick in my mind and nothing in this thread convinces me that this age or next age will be any change at all...

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We will never know if CR had done it or not. If they had, chances had been very high it had backfired and they would have been on the receiving end of a GB. My point is that only AMA and maybe someone else justified that kind of behaviour before, while most think its wrong to play that way. No matter what i think about AMA i had temporary stod by thier side against CR if that had happend. A threat is nothing but a threat, a bluff is nothing but a bluff. Its up to the KD to call the bluff or negotiate out of it. AMA made this mess and they choose to dealbreak, nothing that happend before this can make up for it.

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Originally Posted by Fury

No one was under the illusion that we werent going to be ganbanged.

If your wonderful coalition of justice is exactly what you are making it out to be - maybe its time to stop the TM's and exploring from certain kingdoms and acctually raze us? If it was really justice there shouldnt be any gains in there for the kds participating.

Also if we are really going to clean all slates maybe you should lead by example and stop trashtalking in every post.

Love and Peace

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If Pyro does TMs its only because they need to match CR when they have won. So that they can have a fair war once AMA is taken care of. On Simians behalf, we are doing only razes. You can take a summary and see this for yourself.

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We will never know if CR had done it or not. If they had, chances had been very high it had backfired and they would have been on the receiving end of a GB. My point is that only AMA and maybe someone else justified that kind of behaviour before, while most think its wrong to play that way. No matter what i think about AMA i had temporary stod by thier side against CR if that had happend. A threat is nothing but a threat, a bluff is nothing but a bluff. Its up to the KD to call the bluff or negotiate out of it. AMA made this mess and they choose to dealbreak, nothing that happend before this can make up for it.

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Yes ANri I'm sure you would be leading the charge, rounding up an alliance to stick up for AMA if CR double hostiled us lol. Call it how it is, don't say how you would like it to be. We all agree what we did was wrong no one here is saying it was right, do I disagree with a GB in this instance...no. What I do disagree with is the focus has been on AMA ya I know terrible guys etc etc.

SO with that said moving forward if there is an ounce to truth in what you are saying and all the other fair play alliance, anything shady will be dealt with by a GB regardless of the kingdom that is guilty I assume.

So until AMA or any other kingdom next age does something shady I don't think that any GB of any kd moving forward should be based on previous ages such as this age which is what you are more or less saying.

There are no plans from AMA to deal break next age that any of us are aware of. Garunteed we will be looking to war each kd participating in the GB on fair terms next age, we would assume there is nothing wrong with this and meets the "fairplay" standards.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Pete

Yes ANri I'm sure you would be leading the charge, rounding up an alliance to stick up for AMA if CR double hostiled us lol. Call it how it is, don't say how you would like it to be. We all agree what we did was wrong no one here is saying it was right, do I disagree with a GB in this instance...no. What I do disagree with is the focus has been on AMA ya I know terrible guys etc etc.

SO with that said moving forward if there is an ounce to truth in what you are saying and all the other fair play alliance, anything shady will be dealt with by a GB regardless of the kingdom that is guilty I assume.

So until AMA or any other kingdom next age does something shady I don't think that any GB of any kd moving forward should be based on previous ages such as this age which is what you are more or less saying.

There are no plans from AMA to deal break next age that any of us are aware of. Garunteed we will be looking to war each kd participating in the GB on fair terms next age, we would assume there is nothing wrong with this and meets the "fairplay" standards.

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Lets do one better. Since Anri has been talking about 1v1 vs ama "fair" since forever. How about we arrange a OOP war vs simians next age, can not get any more fair and just than that?

Which one is it crazy Pete. .. You deserve to be GBed or not? You guys can't make up your mind as to whether or not you can accept that what you did was wrong. Don't expect any sort of cf from simians in ages to come.

Proteus, I used to respect you. All that is now out the window. You seem to think that you have some sort of legitimate argument and that we actually have to justify our actions to you guys. The fact of the matter is that the only ppl that needed to be convinced are already in agreement with us. There is nothing for you to gain with your long winded posts. Give it up already. Surely you must have better things to do with your time. .

Everyone in AMA knows that Benjamin is not in leadership. What we did with AMA would be my decision. I told them 8 days before they waved us that I was interested in talking and they never came. I told them 3.5 days before they waved that a deal inwhich they war pyro and us if they win after a notice(and where they can't get b2b'd by pyro if they lose) was a good idea. Elit said he'd take 48 hours to think on it. He never replied again.

Anri you do realize you've dealbroken AMA twice right? Hard to say there is no excuse for a dealbreak, then turn around and do the same thing to 'police' it. They may have dealbroken (someone who wasn't you), but dealbreaking them still makes you a dealbreaker. Doubletime.

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Originally Posted by Fury

Lets do one better. Since Anri has been talking about 1v1 vs ama "fair" since forever. How about we arrange a OOP war vs simians next age, can not get any more fair and just than that?

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1 age later you realize this is what i tried to do all along, but you had to go spoil things by hiding and waving us from nowhere when all we tried to do was arrange a simple 1 on 1. If you had won you would have got respect and bragging rights, and its hihgly likely you would have won.

A bit slow are we

How long this raze kill will last? I think ama lost enough already so why not let them fight CR?

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Originally Posted by Anri

We will never know if CR had done it or not. If they had, chances had been very high it had backfired and they would have been on the receiving end of a GB. My point is that only AMA and maybe someone else justified that kind of behaviour before, while most think its wrong to play that way. No matter what i think about AMA i had temporary stod by thier side against CR if that had happend. A threat is nothing but a threat, a bluff is nothing but a bluff. Its up to the KD to call the bluff or negotiate out of it. AMA made this mess and they choose to dealbreak, nothing that happend before this can make up for it.

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Exactly you are talking about risks, chances and probabilities. AMA choices, to me at least, were:

1) Wave CR early and take the chance that the rest of the T10 wouldn?t action them. And argue that they shouldn?t be auctioned because CRs indication that they would hit them on that date irrespective of anything else was in fact a dealbreak and left them with no choice.

2) Arrange early war with Pyro so as to be in a situation where CR could not notice them as per their terms. This involves taking the chance that CR will indeed not follow through on their claim to wave them no matter what. And further to that if CR do wave them take the chance that the rest of the server will action against a pumped CR that neither AMA or Pyro, who will have both been weakened by hostile and start of war, will be able to contribute as significantly to.

Given those choices I?d pick option 1 every time; particularly given the rather patchy history all of you guys have in terms of ****playing each other and enforcing stuff to best suit your own ends (as some of you, actually much to your credit, have admitted in this thread).

By the way this is not to suggest I?m pro-AMA, I generally think all of those in leadership roles of the T10 are a bunch of narcisstic hypocrites and equally deserving of reaping what they sow. It could have been any of you in this situation, AMA are just unlucky it is them (something the rest of you might bear in mind slightly more).

Resultantly I find much of ?moral grandstanding? that seems to run throughout thread, justifying one thing or another (and this GB particularly), rather perverse.

I do at least applaud the effort to build something better for the future; I just fear you have run out of faith within the community already. Therefore I don?t think they?ll bear with you whilst you?re attempting it. You?ll either get fed-up of trying to do it without appreciation or one of you will fall short of the standards and you?ll all be right back to square one.

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

Anri you do realize you've dealbroken AMA twice right? Hard to say there is no excuse for a dealbreak, then turn around and do the same thing to 'police' it. They may have dealbroken (someone who wasn't you), but dealbreaking them still makes you a dealbreaker. Doubletime.

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You need to stop smoking whatever you are smoking.
The rules goes out of the window as soon as AMA ****plays us and others.
They ****ted on us and others and gets GB. When they play legit and stop ****playing they will be treated with the same kind of respect as everyone else. If they had not dealbroken CR we would not have GBed them. Dealbreaking a dealbreaking KD is more then a legit action.

AMA and fans is really starting to hit a new all-time low

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Originally Posted by Anri

You need to stop smoking whatever you are smoking.
The rules goes out of the window as soon as AMA ****plays us and others.
They ****ted on us and others and gets GB. When they play legit and stop ****playing they will be treated with the same kind of respect as everyone else. If they had not dealbroken CR we would not have GBed them. Dealbreaking a dealbreaking KD is more then a legit action.

AMA and fans is really starting to hit a new all-time low

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I would agree that dealbreaking a KD that dealbroke you or an ally might be legit, but that's about it.
You are saying ****play allows for dealbreak and GB, unless it's AMA that is getting ****played?

Instead of crying for 'fair play' why don't you guys just come right out and ask AMA to use kid gloves when you play.

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Originally Posted by Tapout

Exactly you are talking about risks, chances and probabilities. AMA choices, to me at least, were:

1) Wave CR early and take the chance that the rest of the T10 wouldn?t action them. And argue that they shouldn?t be auctioned because CRs indication that they would hit them on that date irrespective of anything else was in fact a dealbreak and left them with no choice.

2) Arrange early war with Pyro so as to be in a situation where CR could not notice them as per their terms. This involves taking the chance that CR will indeed not follow through on their claim to wave them no matter what. And further to that if CR do wave them take the chance that the rest of the server will action against a pumped CR that neither AMA or Pyro, who will have both been weakened by hostile and start of war, will be able to contribute as significantly to.

Given those choices I?d pick option 1 every time; particularly given the rather patchy history all of you guys have in terms of ****playing each other and enforcing stuff to best suit your own ends (as some of you, actually much to your credit, have admitted in this thread).

By the way this is not to suggest I?m pro-AMA, I generally think all of those in leadership roles of the T10 are a bunch of narcisstic hypocrites and equally deserving of reaping what they sow. It could have been any of you in this situation, AMA are just unlucky it is them (something the rest of you might bear in mind slightly more).

Resultantly I find much of ?moral grandstanding? that seems to run throughout thread, justifying one thing or another (and this GB particularly), rather perverse.

I do at least applaud the effort to build something better for the future; I just fear you have run out of faith within the community already. Therefore I don?t think they?ll bear with you whilst you?re attempting it. You?ll either get fed-up of trying to do it without appreciation or one of you will fall short of the standards and you?ll all be right back to square one.

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Well, i dont think we have ran out of faith at all. Most is banned from speaking in these forums and many others dont care.
Its a fact that every KD in t10 thinks this is fair and want to at least try and make the game better. It is only AMA that does not want this, still up to this moment.

And needless to say, AMA had a BUNCH of alternatives and they picked the very worst alternative they could in hopes they would crown out of it. **** happens, but they did.

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Originally Posted by Chuck

Which one is it crazy Pete. .. You deserve to be GBed or not? You guys can't make up your mind as to whether or not you can accept that what you did was wrong. Don't expect any sort of cf from simians in ages to come.

Proteus, I used to respect you. All that is now out the window. You seem to think that you have some sort of legitimate argument and that we actually have to justify our actions to you guys. The fact of the matter is that the only ppl that needed to be convinced are already in agreement with us. There is nothing for you to gain with your long winded posts. Give it up already. Surely you must have better things to do with your time. .

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You are misunderstanding my points, I'm not trying to stop a gb nor did i think there wouldn't be one, for years it was my job to anticipate what other kds would do and outplay them and I was pretty darn good at it.

The problem here is you are selectively actioning this payback to havoc under veil of fair play. To me as a leader with lots of experience in the top playing and leading in various alliances, this is an act of hypocrisy. If you want to play fair then you need to action all things that are unfair. Community thinks 2v1, interference with eowcf, dibs, cf break, friendly farmouts are unfair. Yet all of this stuff happened without being actioned. A lot of this stuff happened this age without being actioned.

I keep on bringing up pew because they are dirtiest kd in top in recent ages, they farmed a crown to SWEA intentionally and hit outside of war entire time in most blatant abuse of mechanics and deals known to the game, who here actioned them? No body. This age no body actioned pewpew when they robbed ama into eow cf and "hostiled" them by starting a thread here in forums and dragon project. Fighting who you want to fight when you arnt hostile is also fair play. Why did pews own allies fail to police them? Drixx even bragged that he will police own allies but just made excuses for this, what a n00b hypocrite.

Why was havoc allowed to back ama into a corner and say if you fight anyone but us y9 we will 2v1 you. We had a cf deal and are entitled to fight whoever we want other than havoc and 2v1 threats and dealbreak with early notice will not change that.

I believe dealbreaking is wrong but at times it is justifiable if the person you are dealbreaking has ****played you.

If you guys want to play fair enforce everything or nothing. Otherwise this is another grab for crown by kds not good enough to win it.

Its funny that rbl claims to stand for fair play but last age they competed for nw crown using farmed acres, how is that fair for anyone in the game?

Also last interesting point if there are about 5-6 kds competing for land and playing in range in the game how fair is it when 3 of those kds ally up and the 4th cfs them until year 10. This means that its 4vs2 and 2 kds will be put through the ringer giving the limited number of targets and wont get a chance to pump or explore as cfs will be controlled while the other 4 can do what they want. Are you guys that damn bad and unsure of yourselves that you need to nap 67% the competition for 10+ weeks to feel you have an ok chance to win?

I dont really understand this fairplay stuff. We cant remember this in future ages and cant hold grudges? Why cant we? We had grudges before and allways dealt with them 1v1, and there is no reason why we wouldnt deal with them 1v1 in the future.

Or do you mean that we cant war or fight anyone in this gb in the coming 10 ages? That seems fairplay.

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Originally Posted by guard14n

To Havoc - Godly, munk and the rest of u - it doesnt matter how much u think this is fair - u bullied, u threatened and u tried to dictate how others play. Now u wont get crown so our job is done.

To Rage - Drixx u failed to beat us with the biggest atvantage possible and now this? 2nd GB in 4 ages from u mate? And u try to be the player that goes for reviving the game, for fair play and so on and so on. Jeez the hypocracy here is unimaginable. Point is u got outplayed and this is how u do your payback for losing a war vs us when u were sooo much bigger of course hiding behind the fair play logo.

To Pyro - cJ, Nesta - U guys are the worst from all. U were all acting soo good so friendly and so noble but in the end u are worse than them all. U had no problems with us dealbreaking Havoc when u though ur crown was assured. U had no issues with Havoc 2v1 us cuz this helped u. But when us revenging havoc came in ur way for a crown u just lost ur mind. We offered u a deal to raze land to ur size and be 5% smaller when u wanna war us thus deciding the age like men - that gave u clean shot in crowning, fair play and all u ever preached for but no u said NO cuz u dont want to be fair u just want it to be easy. U are the ones that started the GB via quotting cJ " <cJ> i think havoc only needed pyro though. i mean if pyro didnt join in, the others wont tbh". U are worse than Havoc - at least they openly stated that they wanna 2v1 us to win - u just hide behind pretty words and manipulative diplomacy. U wont get the crown i can assure u that - not this age not the next!

Simians - U have Anri. Nuff said

All the rest ghettoo x kdmates of the upper kds - when hyenas are in good numbers they can even take a lion down.

Last but not least - this does not end with this age - congrats u just created a new pew pew but with more skills. HF and let the ultimate war begin!

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So you are saying that both CR and Pyro won't crown this age. Who do you think is going to crown? #Crowns4BinBin

I guess Chuck your confused by I agree with the GB, and I agree that our actions were justified given the circumstances, obviously could have been handled better on both sides not just our own. Does this GB change my views that there is a lack of consistency with who the community targets, No. Do I hope in the future there is one standard for all to follow, obviously yes.

Just because I voted in favour of the deal break doesn't mean I think it was fair play lol. You can spin it how you like, this guy said that blah blah blah. These are my own words and I stand by them. ANy further argumenst by you and Anri just show how biased you are and not in favour of fair play, but in favour of a lynch mob. Please keep sharing your biased views so I can laugh more

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You are misunderstanding my points, I'm not trying to stop a gb nor did i think there wouldn't be one, for years it was my job to anticipate what other kds would do and outplay them and I was pretty darn good at it.

The problem here is you are selectively actioning this payback to havoc under veil of fair play. To me as a leader with lots of experience in the top playing and leading in various alliances, this is an act of hypocrisy. If you want to play fair then you need to action all things that are unfair. Community thinks 2v1, interference with eowcf, dibs, cf break, friendly farmouts are unfair. Yet all of this stuff happened without being actioned. A lot of this stuff happened this age without being actioned.

I keep on bringing up pew because they are dirtiest kd in top in recent ages, they farmed a crown to SWEA intentionally and hit outside of war entire time in most blatant abuse of mechanics and deals known to the game, who here actioned them? No body. This age no body actioned pewpew when they robbed ama into eow cf and "hostiled" them by starting a thread here in forums and dragon project. Fighting who you want to fight when you arnt hostile is also fair play. Why did pews own allies fail to police them? Drixx even bragged that he will police own allies but just made excuses for this, what a n00b hypocrite.

Why was havoc allowed to back ama into a corner and say if you fight anyone but us y9 we will 2v1 you. We had a cf deal and are entitled to fight whoever we want other than havoc and 2v1 threats and dealbreak with early notice will not change that.

I believe dealbreaking is wrong but at times it is justifiable if the person you are dealbreaking has ****played you.

If you guys want to play fair enforce everything or nothing. Otherwise this is another grab for crown by kds not good enough to win it.

Its funny that rbl claims to stand for fair play but last age they competed for nw crown using farmed acres, how is that fair for anyone in the game?

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Exactly, this is why we have to come to terms regarding fair play that goes for all of us and if anyone steps out of line they should get GBed and actioned. It happend to start with AMA. I wish that pewpew had been actioned many ages ago just like Simians was when we stepped out of line etc. I agree with this. But at some point we have to action someone and draw the line, it ends here kind of thing. AMA had little to no problem to handle pewpew this age and could hold its own, pewpew was struggling with inactivity and huge leadership issues. There was not a need to make anything bigger then it was. AMA made the first real ****ty dealbreak that really made a huge impact on the crown race and like i said it has to start somewhere. We all must agree that ****playing is not fun and takes us nowhere. This includes pewpew and other KDs.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Well, i dont think we have ran out of faith at all. Most is banned from speaking in these forums and many others dont care.
Its a fact that every KD in t10 thinks this is fair and want to at least try and make the game better. It is only AMA that does not want this, still up to this moment.

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So all in the T10 think it's fair for AMA to be GB'd except AMA... Hardly a revelation. And even then ProPro himself doesn't seem to have an issue with the GB, he even seems to admit it would be warrented so long as everything was actioned equally. And that is where my issue lays because it seems to me like this is a random time to start and you've got to admit that a bunch of KDs that have not actioned a host of crap in recent ages hardly carry much moral weight.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

...If you guys want to play fair enforce everything or nothing. Otherwise this is another grab for crown by kds not good enough to win it...

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That is pretty much exactly how I feel about the current situation, and what's worse is that means I agree with ProPro about something... I knew there was a reason I avoided these type of things.

why is this not as good time as ever to start something new?

Because AMA was the one ****playing the hardest and it was not pewpew that was sanctioned?

If it helps, i wish pewpew would been sanctioned many times over for thier BS, instead Rage and Pyromaniacs tries a different approuch to teach them ethics and fair play, together i think all kds can make a change for the better.

But its mostly up to everyone to learn and forgive/forget about the past.

And i still hope whoever fights for the crown later this age will do it with style and tagg fair play etc if they win

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Originally Posted by Anri

Exactly, this is why we have to come to terms regarding fair play that goes for all of us and if anyone steps out of line they should get GBed and actioned. It happend to start with AMA. I wish that pewpew had been actioned many ages ago just like Simians was when we stepped out of line etc. I agree with this. But at some point we have to action someone and draw the line, it ends here kind of thing. AMA had little to no problem to handle pewpew this age and could hold its own, pewpew was struggling with inactivity and huge leadership issues. There was not a need to make anything bigger then it was. AMA made the first real ****ty dealbreak that really made a huge impact on the crown race and like i said it has to start somewhere. We all must agree that ****playing is not fun and takes us nowhere. This includes pewpew and other KDs.

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And to give Anri his dues, that is a very fair point as well. Which now means I kind of agree with Anri and ProPro, a doubly horrid evening.

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Originally Posted by Anri

why is this not as good time as ever to start something new?

Because AMA was the one ****playing the hardest and it was not pewpew that was sanctioned?

If it helps, i wish pewpew would been sanctioned many times over for thier BS, instead Rage and Pyromaniacs tries a different approuch to teach them ethics and fair play, together i think all kds can make a change for the better.

But its mostly up to everyone to learn and forgive/forget about the past.

And i still hope whoever fights for the crown later this age will do it with style and tagg fair play etc if they win

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Teach them fair play? Just this age they ****played ama as I described above, how does that allying someone and making excuses for everything they do considered teaching fair play. I talked to a guy in RBL who pretty much said pew was sent to take us (ama) out by vulture this age and after they failed, their ally RBL stepped in (also failed). Anri do you even believe your own propaganda? Now you are making excuses about pewpew losing the war. They lost because they aren't as good as ama, simply put. You know how former athletes are sports commentators/critics, well I put myself in that position having experienced all sided leading/playing and sorry but pewpew is neither good nor honorable.

Also id appreciate if you stop calling RBL Rage...Rage was ASF's kd who then transitioned it over to me when I became monarch and during all of these times the kd was always a top crown contender and one of best warring/whoring kds on server. RBL is not a crown contender nor a warring kd and trying to call them rage is just an insult.

A question to Anri. How many times did AMA dealbreak Simians? By that I mean break a cf, hit before notice etc. Because so far you have db us twice :). That's like 2 CF broken, 2 times hitting in war and 2 GBs. Fairly more than the amount of ****play you have accused AMA of.

Also the claim that Pyro does tms so they can match CR oow? WTF? Last time I saw Pyro were 23k acres bigger than CR. Not to mention AB's bs about CR going to raze themselves. And that having in mind that CR is in a long conflict with us. Is there really someone that believes that they have any chance winning against Pyro w/o an agreed farmout?

Also I still wait for answer of the question when does GB end? AMA already lost the gained acres + 3 provinces. On the other hand the joke that is AB is threatening with GB from oop next age? Will the Justice League confirm? Is that the final decision of the divine party that stands behind the mighty fist of justice? :)

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Originally Posted by Tapout

And to give Anri his dues, that is a very fair point as well. Which now means I kind of agree with Anri and ProPro, a doubly horrid evening.

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I think diplo just pinged on the radar. I definitely heard something ;-)

Fair play....lets tell rest kds what kind fair play we got this age from Rage/Pyro/Pew Pew (RPP)and after it Havoc.

1. All you know all 4 kds did cfs till yr 10. Its alone kill all balance in game when there was only 4 kds going after land chart yr0
2. RPP effective coordinated his action vs us block AMA till yr 5 from random/pump/explore with Pyro and Pew Pew and after it Rage jumped us.
3. I asked many times Pyro/CJ for CF from yr1 to yr5 and all time he explained how its "not smart let ama explore and he cant cf us". After it Pyro got his Problems with Fratzia and we Just have won vs Pew Pew so they decide to give us CF.
4. 5 days after our War with Pew Pew Rage jumped us and told there is no free CF. All know how this war end. During this time Simians and Pew Pew was preparing for war so i offered Pyro 2 weeks extend CF so they wont worry for us being lame and vulture Pyro OOW. Consider how they played to us all age was perfect fair to make same to them but we decide to show Pyro how need to play fair and honorable.
5. WE had talk with Zauper about extend CF because both AMA and Pyro Had plans to war. For few days Zauper keep us believe we will extend CF and After it he told his KD don't agree and he left kd. Same time accident we get razes on our cow from ex Havoc player and its totally messed our prepare for war Pyro. For make all "perfect" Havoc made post in forum and told Notice is given Jan 1 and april 1 they will wave us so if we have other plans to cancel it. Its alone is deal break. They cant give us notice before CF expire and if we are in hostile/war/post war they cant gave notice based to deals. I asked Pyro if they going to help us if we get 2vs1 and answer was: we have CF. So WTF left for us? 1 KD say he will wave us and second say he want to war us "fair" but wont help in 2vs1. Do you call its fair play???

All what happen rest was result from Havoc dibs and pyro refuse to help in 2vs1. If you want to blame some one for unfair play start with yourself and don't come and act moral when kds involved in this GB are **** play all server all age and AMA did noting wrong till you push us.

Or to make it even more clear , the cfs with Pyro and CR wouldn't have had the same end date if it hadn't been for the Simians vs Pyro war and the CF extension we gave Pyro. It seems that the best thing was to keep original CF deal and vulture Pyro 2 weeks before the end of our CF with CR. :)

Look how hard was for simians to get his cf and can some one explain why anri keep talk how we play unfair to him...

Session Start: Mon Feb 10 21:40:35 2014
Session Ident: Anri

[21:40] <Anri> hi
[21:41] <Elit> hi
[21:41] <Anri> Do you want to make a CF til yr10 or yr11 with us?
[21:41] <Elit> if you want we can
[21:42] <Elit> im not interest to hit simians when you are down
[21:42] <Elit> its other kds favorite play
[21:42] <Anri> i tought so, we are down after havocs silly demand of 20% of our acres to them
[21:43] <Anri> and after their major pump nothing at all we could do
[21:43] <Anri> the only thing i told them was they better make sure to get 20% of all others also then
[21:43] <Anri> you know why they took 20%
[21:43] <Anri> because it was 10% tax on letting us fight pewpew and 10% tax letting us fight pyromaniacs
[21:43] <Elit> for win age
[21:43] <Anri> without them interfering
[21:43] <Elit> lol
[21:44] <Anri> nah, i just wanted my wars and they pushed us over the ages
[21:44] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:44] <Anri> i mean, they noticed us, could have waved us, then we would not been able to fight pyro
[21:44] <Anri> so they came and said we let you fight them if you give us acres
[21:44] <Elit> not able war pyro will be better for all us :P
[21:44] <Elit> you end farmed
[21:44] <Elit> and helped pyro
[21:45] <Anri> we only lost 4k acres in 4 days of war
[21:45] <Anri> you know how close they were to WD man
[21:45] <Anri> cJ and procy wanted to WD
[21:45] <Elit> yes but land distribute and ww bonus
[21:45] <Anri> then Nesta came and stopped them (min time)
[21:45] <Anri> shouldnt be a problem
[21:45] <Elit> yes i know you started good and messed it later
[21:45] <Anri> thier bank play sux
[21:46] <Elit> nv
[21:46] <Anri> nah we did not mess it, only our t/ms that held to little channeling/wpa
[21:46] <Elit> i dont think how havoc play is good play
[21:46] <Anri> 1 wpa more and we woulld have won it
[21:46] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:46] <Elit> dont know from where they come with this ****s
[21:46] <Anri> yes, its all new
[21:46] <Anri> tax to war others
[21:47] <Anri> its smart thou
[21:47] <Anri> we could not do anything about it
[21:47] <Anri> but it might backfire later on for them
[21:47] <Anri> they will attempt the same on pewpew and legacy and maybe others soon
[21:48] <Anri> anyway
[21:48] <Anri> you want a yr10 or yr11?
[21:48] <Anri> 48h notice?
[21:49] <Elit> yr 10 and 48h for now, we can extend it later
[21:49] <Elit> how i told you i dont have any plans for hit simians
[21:49] <Anri> ok, sounds good
[21:50] <Anri> no i know u guys will be very busy
[21:50] <Anri> and we all ready hitted down
[21:51] <Elit> its not abouty busy
[21:51] <Anri> i know we are half your size also, its just bad play
[21:51] <Anri> and you all ready waved us so many times this age
[21:51] <Anri> :P
[21:51] <Elit> its was oop
[21:51] <Elit> long ago
[21:52] <Elit> if we use havoc metric
[21:52] <Anri> true, but it still matters
[21:52] <Elit> we need to tax you too :P
[21:52] <Elit> just im not havoc
[21:52] <Anri> that **** will backfire for them
[21:52] <Elit> most like
[21:52] <Anri> wait til they attempt it with pewpew and well see what happens, hopefully they get learned/razed and pewpew landdrop themselfs :P
[21:54] <Elit> :)
[21:55] <Anri> ok so yr10 48h notice is confirmed?
[21:57] <Elit> yes
[21:57] <Elit> we have cf
[21:57] <Anri> aye thanks
[21:58] <Elit> if i can i will keep my cf with simians till eoa
[21:58] <Anri> works best for both
[21:59] <Anri> the one that attempts to get acres from us late age will get razed, if its havoc or ama ;-)
[21:59] <Anri> let havoc come
[22:04] <Elit> dont you have cf them now?
[22:04] <Elit> after gave acres
[22:04] <Elit> or they got acres and gave short cf only?
[22:06] <Anri> no we cfed now
[22:07] <Anri> age end
[22:07] <Anri> i told them i raze/learn them non stop back if i did not get a cf lasting to after yr11
[22:07] <Anri> and if they come after that we just raze them and slow them
[22:08] <Anri> they will not come, if anyone comes it would be us coming for them to raze them last hours

Elit, this thread was not a notice. It was a heads up that we would be noticing you Jan 1st so it would give plenty of time for the 3 kingdoms to figure out what to do with the overlapping CFs. Most kingdoms in your situation would try to work out a deal so you could fight the kd you wanted to fight. You instead refused to negotiate at all. When we eventually gave you a pretty reasonable offer (no acres, just flat out CF extension with the promise that we fight winner 8 days after war), you dealbreak us.

If you are counting "heads up" of notice to be a dealbreak, how did you and Pyro know that you would be warring each other? Didn't someone have to approach the other and say "hey I'm going to notice you Jan 1st will you fight?" Isn't that also a "dealbreak" in your eyes?

I understand your situation and it sucks that you've had to fight pretty hard this round, but you and BB put yourselves in this spot by warring a ghetto at the start with no CFs. It allowed others to grow larger than you and dictate the terms of the round. Just because it was a hard round doesn't mean you can just dealbreak someone.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Look how hard was for simians to get his cf and can some one explain why anri keep talk how we play unfair to him...

Session Start: Mon Feb 10 21:40:35 2014
Session Ident: Anri

[21:40] <Anri> hi
[21:41] <Elit> hi
[21:41] <Anri> Do you want to make a CF til yr10 or yr11 with us?
[21:41] <Elit> if you want we can
[21:42] <Elit> im not interest to hit simians when you are down
[21:42] <Elit> its other kds favorite play
[21:42] <Anri> i tought so, we are down after havocs silly demand of 20% of our acres to them
[21:43] <Anri> and after their major pump nothing at all we could do
[21:43] <Anri> the only thing i told them was they better make sure to get 20% of all others also then
[21:43] <Anri> you know why they took 20%
[21:43] <Anri> because it was 10% tax on letting us fight pewpew and 10% tax letting us fight pyromaniacs
[21:43] <Elit> for win age
[21:43] <Anri> without them interfering
[21:43] <Elit> lol
[21:44] <Anri> nah, i just wanted my wars and they pushed us over the ages
[21:44] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:44] <Anri> i mean, they noticed us, could have waved us, then we would not been able to fight pyro
[21:44] <Anri> so they came and said we let you fight them if you give us acres
[21:44] <Elit> not able war pyro will be better for all us :P
[21:44] <Elit> you end farmed
[21:44] <Elit> and helped pyro
[21:45] <Anri> we only lost 4k acres in 4 days of war
[21:45] <Anri> you know how close they were to WD man
[21:45] <Anri> cJ and procy wanted to WD
[21:45] <Elit> yes but land distribute and ww bonus
[21:45] <Anri> then Nesta came and stopped them (min time)
[21:45] <Anri> shouldnt be a problem
[21:45] <Elit> yes i know you started good and messed it later
[21:45] <Anri> thier bank play sux
[21:46] <Elit> nv
[21:46] <Anri> nah we did not mess it, only our t/ms that held to little channeling/wpa
[21:46] <Elit> i dont think how havoc play is good play
[21:46] <Anri> 1 wpa more and we woulld have won it
[21:46] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:46] <Elit> dont know from where they come with this ****s
[21:46] <Anri> yes, its all new
[21:46] <Anri> tax to war others
[21:47] <Anri> its smart thou
[21:47] <Anri> we could not do anything about it
[21:47] <Anri> but it might backfire later on for them
[21:47] <Anri> they will attempt the same on pewpew and legacy and maybe others soon
[21:48] <Anri> anyway
[21:48] <Anri> you want a yr10 or yr11?
[21:48] <Anri> 48h notice?
[21:49] <Elit> yr 10 and 48h for now, we can extend it later
[21:49] <Elit> how i told you i dont have any plans for hit simians
[21:49] <Anri> ok, sounds good
[21:50] <Anri> no i know u guys will be very busy
[21:50] <Anri> and we all ready hitted down
[21:51] <Elit> its not abouty busy
[21:51] <Anri> i know we are half your size also, its just bad play
[21:51] <Anri> and you all ready waved us so many times this age
[21:51] <Anri> :P
[21:51] <Elit> its was oop
[21:51] <Elit> long ago
[21:52] <Elit> if we use havoc metric
[21:52] <Anri> true, but it still matters
[21:52] <Elit> we need to tax you too :P
[21:52] <Elit> just im not havoc
[21:52] <Anri> that **** will backfire for them
[21:52] <Elit> most like
[21:52] <Anri> wait til they attempt it with pewpew and well see what happens, hopefully they get learned/razed and pewpew landdrop themselfs :P
[21:54] <Elit> :)
[21:55] <Anri> ok so yr10 48h notice is confirmed?
[21:57] <Elit> yes
[21:57] <Elit> we have cf
[21:57] <Anri> aye thanks
[21:58] <Elit> if i can i will keep my cf with simians till eoa
[21:58] <Anri> works best for both
[21:59] <Anri> the one that attempts to get acres from us late age will get razed, if its havoc or ama ;-)
[21:59] <Anri> let havoc come
[22:04] <Elit> dont you have cf them now?
[22:04] <Elit> after gave acres
[22:04] <Elit> or they got acres and gave short cf only?
[22:06] <Anri> no we cfed now
[22:07] <Anri> age end
[22:07] <Anri> i told them i raze/learn them non stop back if i did not get a cf lasting to after yr11
[22:07] <Anri> and if they come after that we just raze them and slow them
[22:08] <Anri> they will not come, if anyone comes it would be us coming for them to raze them last hours

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And what do you want to say with a CF deal that was worked out between us?
LoL

You had waved us 7 times earlier this age and you dealbroke to try and crown, therefor all deals with AMA was void and we joined the GB machine, because what you do is wrong.

When you give CFs you have self interest, you wanted to grow cows and you wanted time to pump, Simians wanted time to pump aswell. So a CF between us was given.

Not sure what you want with this logg? Its pretty obvious that it states i am no friend of CR and i dont like how they came and took acres from us, the problem you have is that i choosed another word for free acres and called it a tax instead, this is the new **** it seems, i said tax and all of a sudden everyone say they gonna tax people. Get over it dude. Free acres always been given when you cant fight back for new CFs. We had no way to fight CR and clap clap to them for it.