RBL vs Bad GFs

Elit, why dont you respond to hawks post? He posted actual facts.
As far as I know only hawk and myself talked with Warseekers and neither of us threatend them in any way. We both did ask them to war us later though. Didnt realise that talking to another KD is now the same as rbl calling in friends.

I guess by your definition legacy called in friends. By the same definition Pyro called in friends aswell then since we are talking to both bb and ama.
(just to be clear: Its your definition, not mine)

I understand your sore about last age and you will try anything to discredit us. But try to stick atleast remotely to facts please.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

Elit, why dont you respond to hawks post? He posted actual facts.
As far as I know only hawk and myself talked with Warseekers and neither of us threatend them in any way. We both did ask them to war us later though. Didnt realise that talking to another KD is now the same as rbl calling in friends.

I guess by your definition legacy called in friends. By the same definition Pyro called in friends aswell then since we are talking to both bb and ama.
(just to be clear: Its your definition, not mine)

I understand your sore about last age and you will try anything to discredit us. But try to stick atleast remotely to facts please.

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<Hawk> they want a short cf and time to prep if you want to war them
<Hawk> alternatively, we (CR) are willing to war you
<Hawk> in which case you can a deal with rage anyway"

What you want to me to reply? Its clear you POWER PLAY them with say: CF RBL or we will jump you and after it rage will declare war.

No I think that snippet is actually pretty clear, Elit. Rage wanted a cf (this is established already), and thought then they might war Bad GFs. Since Bad GFs had already stated that they were looking for war, however, I said that there was another option I could offer besides a short cf -> war with rage, and that other option was a war with us (which could happen with or without a deal with rage. Seeing as Bad GFs opted to CF after their wave, and declined my offer to war, and then went on their way, I am still struggling to understand exactly how we powerplayed them? Perhaps you don't totally understand the words you are using though.

Strange diplomatic climate where you can break a deal with a kingdom because they make fun of you in the forums, but if a kd wants a war and you offer them one in a conversation, you are powerplaying.

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Originally Posted by Elit

<Hawk> they want a short cf and time to prep if you want to war them
<Hawk> alternatively, we (CR) are willing to war you
<Hawk> in which case you can a deal with rage anyway"

What you want to me to reply? Its clear you POWER PLAY them with say: CF RBL or we will jump you and after it rage will declare war.

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Obvious troll is obvious. We didn't want a war. CR does. Why would they not pm a target that is looking for a war?

We asked WSK on 31/3/14 for a war and they declined. We would of assumed they'd msg us back if they changed their minds but hey, they didn't. We just feel incredibly annoyed they waved us with troops out regardless of how many were out. WSKs you have lost your say now as your numbers of how many were out are changing each time. I am assuming also it was Koalas that PMed you and hey, we got a CF with them I think before your wave? 1:16 has attempted ZERO cf negotiations and now we are 6-48 on meter with them. Is this now a "hostile" we have ops? WSK could have proposed a date with us (I know Drixx spoke to them about setting a date so we wouldn't grow etc).

Session Start: Mon Mar 31 15:45:24 2014
Session Ident: cRs
[15:45] Session Ident: cRs (UtoNet, AB) (~cRs@5D4F4D94.AC5404.CA941A0B.IP)
[15:45] <cRs> who are u?
15[15:46] <AB> We are RBL ()
15[15:47] <AB> We are looking for a war when we come OOEOWCF
15[16:09] <AB> Would you be interested?
[16:41] <cRs> dunno yet. we just finished this silly 7 days war.. got allot of prov who got chained, so really cant give u straight answer atm
[16:41] <cRs> we'll talk in @2 days and see
[16:41] <cRs> annyway we will use all 4 days of eowcf
15[16:41] <AB> yeah same we want to use eowcf as well
Session Close: Mon Mar 31 18:26:49 2014

O and look. They said they were unprepared and we did not wave them even know we could have ooeowcf.

Newsflash people:

By Elit definition powerplay is now determined as: Asking a KD if they are interrested in warring you at a later time.

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Originally Posted by Hawkerz

I am still struggling to understand exactly how we powerplayed them? Perhaps you don't totally understand the words you are using though.

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Example so you can understand what you did: Havoc wave Pyro, AMA contact Havoc and tell them you can 1 CF pyro or 2 war AMA now. Havoc CF Pyro and dont get deal with AMA.
Its what you did here with Bad GFs.

... you asked us for war just as we finished our 1st war. I told ya clear enough that we can't setup a war at that time, we were still 23 and trying to find out goals for the age - simple. We both ended war and went to forti so again dont see why u bring this up.
We watch u for few days now (CE twice/day and intel taken)... we where in aggresive for 3-5 days before our 40h forti pre-wave, nothing happened in that time - you where waving once/day(farming small kds with 20 ppl actually) so we didnt involved. In the past 48h pre-wave all u did was farming the same 2 kds - one of them offered CF but u never took it and continue to farm them trough forti and annother one who we are in hostile too(cuz thats what they do, dont offer CF).

So yea you got waved, legit wave while u where farming 2 small kds for fun and no we didnt wave for farm we waved for war - 99% we were certain you will offer us a war. We could have waved and farm like u did smaler kds, but when we started wave u where 300k nw and @4k bigger in acres with only like 3-4 prov who has just sent theyr army out(within the last 4h) while we had 1 UB and 2 just started prov(@50k nw) and gave u button.

The lame thing is that u cant do ur own diplo and you tryed to "impress" by asking CR to do it for you... From the start of the wave to the CF all diplo had to be made trough CR wich also tryed to offer us a war loss with them for a nice and cool statistic after war ;)) (ty again Hawk :P).

Guess this is how it goes in top10.. so much drama for a wave... /not cool :(

July 4 of YR2 Vicious Koalas () has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom.
July 5 of YR2 We have entered into a formal ceasefire with Vicious Koalas ().

We are yet to receive one from the other kingdom. The hanging CF you claim we had are not around so please, continue trying to justify your double/triple hostile.

Simple fact is, we politely asked you for a war. You declined. Fair enough we take this as you not being interested. A kingdom that was bigger with 23 players did not want a war, why would they want one when WE are bigger? Hence why we left you be. Then YOU wave us with 4xUB (You can claim it is less but our humans wouldn't full out suicide now would they?) The one undead that could hit was OOR. We had 0 UB.

We just find it poor play after us msging you numerous times to arrange a war and you declining to speak about making it as close to fair as possible, you wave us troops out (In this thread from your own members it has changed from 3 out, 4 out, to 9 out, to 13 out. Make up your minds. You could have even msged us and we would of, even with the odds against us asked to "prep" for 24 hours or so and war on x date.

We could of both been in war by now with each other.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Drama update!
So if they claim hostile need to define 1 from both kds :)

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Who says you can only hostile 1 kingdom? I must have missed that in the guide.

Everyone and their grandmother tags "hostile" these days, its meaningless, if a SN was got (which a good kd would do) its obvious.

I also believe posts like this are all about drama/trolling, and people reading them do so for giggles, i certainly do.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Example so you can understand what you did: Havoc wave Pyro, AMA contact Havoc and tell them you can 1 CF pyro or 2 war AMA now. Havoc CF Pyro and dont get deal with AMA.
Its what you did here with Bad GFs.

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I think you must be confused. If the participation of a third party has no impact on the state of anything whatsoever, then it's not properly called powerplaying. Bad GFs waved, said they wanted to war, and rage didn't want to, so they cf'ed. During that CF, I offered them a war. They said no.

They did not at any point ask for a CF with CR. So, my involvement had um, no observable effect with regard to anything. So now your assertion is that doing nothing is the same as powerplaying?

The fact that every single little relation in the game have to be discussed in theses forums and put under the microscope just shows how tiny the game has become

Sad

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Originally Posted by cRs

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It's so easy to make silly/stupid/lame comments. I could be all like "You trying to 'impress' having Elit QQ for you" or "You had legit options to get war form RBL, why wave into open relations" but then, you weren't interested in war.

I think it's all about the definition of hostile:

• In the eyes of RBL they are hostile if they see "hostile relations" (one way) in the politics/relations tab.
• In the eyes of Bad GFs (and Elit) a hostile constitutes "hostile relations" (both ways)

I think it has been clearly established in numerous threads that one-way traffic is not a hostile.

Most recent occurences that I recall:

• CR waving PyroManiaCs OOP+7 while PyroManiaCs had 1 way hostile
• Settlers waving PyroManiaCs while PyroManiaCs had 1 way hostile

Both times the people on the bandwagon said "tough luck, got caught pants-down". If these two situations were "hostile", meaning ethics say no hitting in, I think we should call on the FPA again to police :)

In short: 1 way traffic = farming and 2 way traffic = hostile.
Bad GFs had no reason not to wave.

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Originally Posted by Hawkerz

I think you must be confused. If the participation of a third party has no impact on the state of anything whatsoever, then it's not properly called powerplaying. Bad GFs waved, said they wanted to war, and rage didn't want to, so they cf'ed. During that CF, I offered them a war. They said no.

They did not at any point ask for a CF with CR. So, my involvement had um, no observable effect with regard to anything. So now your assertion is that doing nothing is the same as powerplaying?

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Elit is just one of those people that has to talk just for talking's sake. The other 99.9% of utopia understands.

I was wondering why I had a koala spy in my news. Let's keep the ripples isolated :-)