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Go ahead, prot. Attack him. You know where he is.
nice war..
btw.. Dont post KD locs.. >:)
Lol, 3 seconds. So I guess it wasn't much of a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
Why did Stronghold switch Monarchs mid hostile/failed negotiations?
My guess is this. SH has a monarch and co monarch. one has the other half of the votes so if something happens while the currant monarch isnt online the co monarch can deal with it. With one vote change he has the monarchy and can speak and act while the other isnt there.
no matter what its lame to accept and then break CF to reset relations and then give an excuse like ooo we are teaching noobs to negotiate before offering CF like that. just cause its been done to you doesnt make it right. ppl waving into hostile just because they know they will get a free wave. is that right for kingdoms to do it? no. but it happens and its just as lame.
Who moaned to realest about a supposed chain? Please link me moaning about that, in my 1st war I wasn't hit untill the last few hours... The opposition kd (the only one to beat us in war) let me grow and constant plague hurt ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyth79
I can't recall moaning about that, I doubled my size in our 1st war.
As for the ironic, what that our monarch attempts to open a channel of communication? Same as always, intentions was sent and that time we faced a better kd than SH.
Wrong, the 3 choices are;Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
1. Accept
2. Decline
3. Ignore
Anything you put afterwards are just your moral opinions and not a direct result.
And I think ppl reading to much into media stories are equally lame ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
We violated nothing, we was honest with our stance and we stuck to it, they gave us a preasant... thats all. When people start making assumptions then they can start making errors, stop living by assumptions and you'll get fewer nasty suprises.Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
Well make the sug instead of whining about it, there is a sug forum for these kind of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
DDodge did say;Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
"Im surprised at the amount of out rage at the cancel. I was of the opinion that you shouldn't send a cf unless you have an agreement. Im still new and learning things as we go!"
Personally I dont think it's lame to use any mechanism in the game, the CF mechanism is to help with poitical relations and if some kds don't use the tool correctly then there is no harm in them getting burnt, TBH i doubt DDodge will do that again BUT I don't have a moral objection to doing such actions. If people have difficulty with that then there is the sug forum to sug a change on how CF can work and/or they can take up arms and use there own might to enforce there own personal justice, our own moral judgment has equally as much right as yours do to you, I doubt anyone would enjoy having other peoples opinion on morals forced upon them.
it's a clear loss for us SH.,
b4 the war started it was pretty clear what will be the result, since we got one province under vacation ^_~,
but the king of mymydrones or what ever., from 2.8k down to 900 acres., ohh actually hes at 1.8k acres now., wahahahhahahha.,
about the whining thing, is not called whining., its called asking why you broke the cf ?
thats the main issue., it's called back stab., you gained 4k acres during the first hostile and all we did is sit and sent the CF., you accepted and break it,
normally we would take the war rather than sending another CF and you will just accept it and break it., cause u are suck one of a silly backstabber.,
your the first one to whine about getting waved by another KD., well in fact i got some ops from that kd you said you had a problem with.,
does that make any sense? or pure coincidence?
"Well, we got waved pretty hard by another kd before that and we wanted to wait for a coordinated strike back on them, but they entered a war... All the build up angst had to be released somewhere.. And you came along. :) "
Wow.. I like how the only people that think accepting/breaking a Ceasefire to carry out a second hostile wave is acceptable are the ones that did it..
For the record, I'm not in Stronghold. We have a fairly large back-dating of wars with SH in the past ages, so although I have respect for them, they are still enemies.
^ So where is "4. Accept & Break"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
I'm not really surprised how people are so oblivious to what they do, and only see it in others. We call it Psychology.
What?! xDDDD That's not a deliberate mechanism of the system. That has just not been questioned much, or posed much of a threat; until now at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
A mechanism is something that works as the code was intended. I doubt they intended on letting people do such acts, and maybe, it will be altered next age, who knows?
Either way, dishonourability (if that's a word) is half subjective. There are some things about it based on morals, others are pretty commonly factual. I would probably put accepting & breaking a CF into the "pretty-commonly-factual-dishonour" part, as you seem to agree that the 3 options are Accept, Reject, or Ignore. You do not need to "negotiate" any CF offers. Negotiating is an added diplomatic effect, usually done to entice the opposer's will to be mutual and respectful about things.. A CF is a CF. That's "pretty-commonly-factual" too.
I wonder if you guys would be open to someone killing people in the real world, all because they believe their moral judgement is correct about "cleansing" the world of "sinful" people, or some crap like that.. Moral only goes so far. Society dictates how far that goes, even if it is meant to be solely subjective. Governments don't make it subjective.
As I've said before, if that's how you play, that's fantastic. I just think it's blind foresight. As in, will it really be worth sacrificing the mercy people would've given you if you were honourable?
Hard2Get, your name truly fits you. I have no clue what you are trying to say but chaining a suiciding monarch to 900 acres is not something to laugh or brag about. Leaving that province above any more than 100 acres is just sad and if SH is filled with players like you than I understand why the button was pressed and why Myrmidons consider you such babies.
Please, Myrmodins was doing a good job at looking themselves look stupid but with your post Stronghold made itself look mentally invalid.
Lol i am right there with you on that one, drosta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drosta
Look, this thread has become preposterous. A lot of people feel like the myrmidons are dirtbags, a lot of myrmidons and a few others think they didn't do anything wrong. Pretty much everything that could be said about those two positions has already been said, so why is the convo still going? Let it die, people.
i din't know mentally invalid existed though,
if you dont have any clue then you dont have to say a word though.,
Everybody just became more stupid after reading your post Hard2Get. Even myself. So my apologies that you couldn't figure out what mentally invalid means. Google has the answer though. I have more of clue than you think I do.
Agrees with TheImmortals. Other than Hard2Get's little tirade this thread is a pretty deadbeat horse by now.
I'm sorry about Hard2Get's attitude. I understand some of our mates are filled with bitterness in their hearts. But let's get this over with, they won and we lost. Perhaps next time will be better for us. Peace to all. :)
Majordisaster you shouldn't apologise for his mouth but I hope for Stronghold's sake they have more players like you than Hard2Get in it.
ill tell you one thing. the fact that the news team is allowed to post news has had a strong influence on our age. I don't agree with people on this "news team" being allowed to post biased articles that should have been private matters between two kingdoms.
for all you haters out there..... i guess justice has been served? had 1.7 million books in science, down to 400k.
pretty big impact on my age.... still very sad that news can post stuff and make up quotes to shift the view of the community. what happened was between us and stronghold. Chuck went out on a vendetta to make it public. i dont know why. but my goal before the war was to get a war win against stronghold. 1.3 million books later and the whole community involved.... we got our win.
Trolls be trolls, lessons learned about clever use of game mechanics. Too bad biased news gets posted without permission from either monarchs but that is utopia life apparently. It was a good war for the most part and I would personally be excited to war SH again in the future. Thanks for the war guys.
whether it was intentional or unintentional on the person knows himself , for now we all know the flaw in the system . and a tough decision to war myrmidons despite of earlier waves and yet another wave upon breaking cf . just let it pass for now and let it be a learning value to other kds as well .
CF itself already shown the meaning that the kd who offers it doesnt want a war right now or at all . personally i think its redundant to negotiate for it when the intentions are clear when offering cf.
Yet another wave after breaking CF? Just from your terrible English and constant exaggerated excuses I am going to assume you are part of Stronghold (can't be bothered to figure out if you already told us if you were part of SH). You guys took one fairly light wave, and when you started to prepare to war us and started ops our armies weren't even half way back home so don't act like we did two waves on you and that's why you lost. You lost the war because you guys had lackluster activity and strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by tufkuki
Anyway I am done wasting my time in this useless thread now :) I will leave it to the trolls to wrap things up.
The relation system is a part of the game to deal with kingdom relations. You abused it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
And I don't think you're understanding the true meaning of a cease fire.
Is it the newsposters fault that Deathly is the one commenting and then quits as you said?Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
And again; no permission is required to post a war report. Why do people keep thinking that?
When we approach 2 kingdoms that finished a war, and neither side comments, nothing will be done. If at least one side comments while the other refuses to, it should and most likely will be posted. If we don't post it because one side refuses to comment, isn't that also biased?
Reports are written with the information received from both parties. Reporters are not responsible for the content itself; all they do is use the given material to write the article.
If your kingdoms comments are incorrect, or given by the wrong person from your kingdom, perhaps speak to that person who should have sent the reporter to you. We don't know who is all in charge of every kingdom.
Wow this thread has gotten dumb. OP still hasn't been edited to correct the explanation of the CF, trolls are still trolling, and I feel like an idiot for not closing it at page 2.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community"
ur post fits rather well in this definition, Alsadius.
And I don't agree with disreputable monarchs like you making up lies and accusing other kds of things they never did.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
You didn't, but DDodge did. My point is that your monarch and some other people in your kd shouldn't accuse people of lying about the circumstances of the CF from your last war when your monarch lied about things that happened in your first war (see below). Hypocrisy at its best. DDodge says he still has a lot to learn about the game; how about learning that if you do shady things to other kds, karma will eventually come around and bite you in the ass? How's that for a lesson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
For anyone who's still reading this thread, I would like to point out to all of you that this is not the first time DDodge has engaged in dishonorable/questionable play. See: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...tice-fairlplay
I totally agree with Hyth79, well said!
Seriously i dont think waving a KD into hostile again right after breaking the CF is called a light wave . You dont expect ppl to sit there and wait to die after what happen w/o any retal from ops .Quote:
Originally Posted by nive
Its you who should just wrap it up , coz i haven been biased on my post at all , just a shared opinion base on what the OP reported . Anyway i'm not part of SH , its you who have been biased and fixated assuming i'm part of SH . Pls get it out of your head that this is a public thread , anyone can post or share their opinion.
I was contacted in #utonews with the request to do this war by Deathly, who claimed to represent Myrmidons. I then contacted damien of stronghold in game to see if he would like to contribute to the article. I have the irc logs of both conversations, and everything that I stated in the article was given to me by a representative from either kd. I have nothing to do with deathly's disappearance from his kd now and the fact that myrmidons cannot reach him now and want to blame me for his statements is not my problem. This news service is not biased; it is provided by the community FOR the community. All those that want to complain about this or any other article are encouraged to speak with Mad_Scottish about becoming a reporter themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
Fair enough Chuck, i'm not holding a grudge on you i realize your intentions were just to promote the community. no hard feelings.
i'm sad that it got posted when neither monarch wanted it to be, but from your perspective it makes sense.
perhaps i should be making a formal apology to the utopia community for accepting/breaking CF with stronghold. at the time it was simply between US and THEM. having half the community in a fit of rage over it was certainly not expected at the time. about that apology.... ill think on it, stay tuned haters i got nothin but love for all
I have read very little but I just want to add that both DDodge and Katje are fantastic people :)
You really need to stop lying. The news article and this thread has not resulted in the "whole community" targeting you with learns. Anyone can easily look at your paper and see that you and your entire kingdom are simply being waved by Icey Rick Rollin (see below). Nice sob story DDodge. This is the second time you've made up a BS story to try and earn sympathy of the community in order to deflect attention away from the fact that you're a shady liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
An except from Myrmidon's recent news (full news here)
January 8 of YR6 An unknown province from Icey Rick Rollin Hostile (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and pillaged the lands of Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 An unknown province from Icey Rick Rollin Hostile (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 An unknown province from Icey Rick Rollin Hostile (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 how Im feeling (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 Good Bye (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 Good Bye (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 Good Bye (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 I just wanna tell you (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 I just wanna tell you (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 I just wanna tell you (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 10 of YR6 You Cry (Rick Rollin KD) attacked and stole from Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
January 11 of YR6 You Cry (Rick Rollin KD) attempted to invade Optimus Prime (Myrmidons).
Suspension to hostile activities it can be described as and we did... for about 3 seconds. Well thats if you want to get "technical" about the wording, the basic truth of actions is that we ripped up the CF agreement and annoyed them at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
You can think what-ever you want but dont insult my intelligence with something so pathetic! Oh and try claiming 3 seconds don't count, then how long? Why doesn't the system have a min time? CF can last as long or as short as you like, if the programmers don't like it then they can change it, tbh I'd be suprised if the programmers didn't see this issue at all, it's beginner style issues.
We didn't abuse anything, we said no CF and they ignored us and sent the CF request, we didn't abuse anything and it was there own stupidity. We said we wouldnt accept a CF and that is the final part of it. They can do lovly little dances and sing for the queen of England for all I care, the final word that came from our monarch was no CF and that is the issue that matters. You don't like that? Tough luck, i dont care what you think or like, you are just another nobody ^.^
I'm having difficulty seeing your accusations, please quote the actual lies, if it was the hit in the link you posted then that is nothing. He asked if it was possable for a 1 time retal and even said he is looking just for 1 hit to be the retal. Suprising how someone learning may not have the perfect Utopia etiquette... The world is going to fall apart and satan is returning to bugger us all because someone is actually learning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyth79
Sounds like you have a personal vandetta against DDodge, you secretly inlove with him and upset he doesn't want to have your babies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyth79
Yes when people are learning they may do things they wouldnt normally, things may not go as smoothly as we like due to different members in the kd learning to work together (for a lot of us this is the 1st age together), this causes issues to occasionally pop up. Right now we're being waved from comming straight out of a war and I'm actually loving it, my opa is well over 100 (close to 0.8opNW) and I can't wait to jump into battle again, who is being punished by kama???? Not us as we love to war and it appears someone may like to give us a taste of our own medican, you should see the party poppers popping and the merry dances of the drunken orcs around the campfire, like xmas came early ^.^
For anyone who's still reading this thread, I would like to point out to all of you that nobody is perfect and misunderstandings can happen, try talking before whining tho.
Best thing to do is speak to anyone who upsets you and open up a dialog and hope to move forward without the same kind of issue happening to spoil you fun again, DDodge has already said that he doubts he'll do that again after seeing the communities responce (again learning), anyone who is an adult should be able to accept that and move on with there own life. Enjoy your own fun, no need to try and spoil our fun by making wild accusations.
I've asked if your part of SH and you said no, you then go on and tell us Myrms what happened? How the hell would you know any of this unless you was there? Funny how you only have 4 posts and all 4 of them have basically been in the defence of SH. If you aint part of them then are you a groupie?Quote:
Originally Posted by tufkuki
It was a light wave, well at least for our kd it was a light wave. You claim otherwise, sounds like you was on the recieving end the way you *****'n'moan. You claim no biased claims yet your posts are full of them, this one for a start claims it wasn't a "light wave" when you "are not part of SH" (so how the fluff would you know?!?). Thats biased talk, esp when one of our kd members openly said it wasn't a proper wave... I wasn't part of that wave and neither was half of our kd, I can see how to a ghetto(not calling SH ghetto as you claim not to be part of them) it might seem like a full wave but to this ghetto... that was half a wave.
This is the lie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
1. DDodge was not unbreakable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
2. An outside hit was not ordered on you. Anyone with common sense looking at the paper from that time can easily see that the outside hit was from an idiot random.
3. There was no semi-chain on DDodge.
Not having proper Utopia etiquette is one thing; completely lying is another. I'm not going to ease up on exposing DDodge for what he really is until he publicy apologizes for lying and confesses that he makes up sob stories to garner sympathy.
*Hugs Palem*Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
No need to apoligise for accepting and breaking the CF. I would have done it, and I'm sure many others would too. It's really stupid to just send a CF and not at least send a message with it. Hell just make up some bollocks to make them sorry for you. Just sending a CF is NOT diplomacy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
i think you should read carefully before you make assumptions and make yourself look like an idiot .if i were to say something biased towards myrmidon does it make me a myrmidon? I made my post on what was given by OP nothing more , what's with the defence of SH , any player who played for sometime would know a KD waving into hostile wont be some randomed wave . whats more a 2nd wave right after breaking cf. Your members claimed it was a light wave , but news reported otherwise.
If its a genuine mistake do make a sincere apology to the community.
losing all that science isnt justice for CF breaking. thats "justice" for your fail diplomacy and kingdom philosophies. you dont op and slightly retale a kingdom you want to go away and leave that lil def at home against a kingdom of orcs. if other ppl are hitting you thats on them but dont quote my kingdom as serving justice for some war i dont care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
just to be clear, i am against CF breaking to reset relations and im not against teaching kingdoms that do that how wrong it is. however this was just wave for war gone wrong. if you dont want to war sometimes its better to just eat a wave btw. thats another life lesson you can learn. :-P
So you say that is the lie without showing the actual post or article which your accusation comes from? I can't believe such fairy tales without seeing proof, go back to reading kiddy bedtime tales, seems about all you can do. Unless you can offer a valid argument with evidence then there is no point wasting time on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyth79
And you still fail to see what I'm getting at, 5 posts now? All 5 posts have been condeming us, suprising how it is ONLY this you have commented on.Quote:
Originally Posted by tufkuki
You keep refering back to the OP but that is incorrect, that 'wave' wasn't organised and no1 was advised about a wave. It was the people on at the time who hit at that time, when we wave we wave, I'm no stranger to setting alarm clocks. I KNOW and yet you are telling us all it wasn't a light wave, dispicable. Your the load your mother should of swallowed.
Your kd is the one attacking us, the one with all the silly little orc sages who has been giving us a giggle? Those orcs are fat little bloaters now, yeah they took some of our excess land but they need to quickly get there backsides to weightwatchers =PQuote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
Kinda hoping we do war you, I hate hitting for land out of wars.
Out of curiosity, whats the gains limit on orcs? I know we can hit the cap pretty quick when we get some sci in military.
No, I am not from either kingdom involved in this issue.
The only thing that needed to be said in this thread is this: If you insta-break a cf and people find out about it they will for sure lose respect for you. With that loss of respect is an attitude of no mercy and no regard. Even enemies can be civil and treat each other with mutual respect. People will be knocking on your door over this one Myrmidons. And they won't be nice about it. You reap what you sew. Kinda funny how that works isn't it?
***EDIT - Here, this wont mean a thing to your kingdom but I know it means ALOT to the Utopian community as a whole. An if the Mods had any backbone they would be looking into this war an taking action.
Spirit of the Rules
Players attempting to manipulate rules and quirks of the game in ways obviously not intended may be subject to deletion. Because of their nature, these types of circumstances are considered on a case-by-case basis. Users should avoid actions they believe are against the spirit and intent of the game.
I could take the time to quote all the crap that the Myrmidom kingdom already spouted but its not necassary. You all already posted you blatantly violated an abused the rules. You never intended to CF, yet you hit the button. Your intention was war, yet you accepted a CF, then broke it .... pfft ... bad form
@Ryshad
Yes you don't like how someone ripped up the CF offer in there face after they was told "No CF", who gives a flying monkey?
As for spirit of the rules, where does it say you cant can't?
"obviously not intended" part? I'm sorry but if it wasn't intended and the programmers wouldnt of left it in for how long?!? I don't think it is "not intended", if so then I'd be puzzled they could do a game like this, even beginner programmers will do a chart for issues like that. People can break a CF agreement at anytime during the age that they may wish to do so, usually this comes at a time that would benefit them the most. Just cause some people may wait a day... a week... a month... It's all relative. The truth is, we said no CF and they sent us a CF option.
How rude of them to not listen to our monarch when he took the actual time out of his day to write that message, if what we did is breaking the spirit of the game then so are the actions SH took by ignoring communication via ingame messaging tool.
If it isn't intended then why hasn't anyone with 'power' said "Oh thats a violation, please don't do that in future."?
Considering the commotion from the narrow minded then I find it hard to believe that this is manipulating the system, the CF button is a tool to assist in diplomacy and if the other kd ignores diplomacy and throws out the ability to reset relations then why not? Untill the devs say otherwise then I don't see an issue with it. If you have such an issue with it then report it, why did you even feel the need to come on here and sound like a parrot?
Polly want a cracker? or is polly crackers already?
Actually I read all the war articles, They are generally entertaining and most have some knowledge worth collecting.
It is legal to go into vacation mode. Try abusing it the way you did the CF option an see how fast it gets you deleted. If the developers intended for relations to be reset instantly they wouldn't have taken so much time in programming in Unfriendly an Hostile relations leading to war. They also wouldn't have taken the extensive time it took to revamp the entire relations system like they did last age. Like everyone else they are human an until a crack in the system is noticed an brought to their attention they can't fix it. Again - referance the Vaca Mode abuse an its recent actioning. As far as reporting your kingdoms actions I don't have to, Bishop an Palem have both posted in this thread an I am sure they continue to monitor it, after all that is their job. Like everything else in Utopia, it takes time an enough people complaining before 'actions' are taken. If my experience with this game is correct I am sure in the future you will find the abuse of resetting kingdom relations to zero an actionable offense.
In case I was too narrow minded let me state it another way - I personally find the actions of The Myrmidoms to be a blant attempt to abuse a flaw in the relations systems. Several members, including their Monarch, have stated they intentionally reset relations so that the monarch of the other kingdom would lose his ME bonus an could more easily be broken, also they knew it would prevent the other kingdom from performing ops/spells on them while they could continue to attack. They have down played their actions an tried to pass them off as 'accidental' or 'unintentional' in some posts while in others blatantly laughing about how they cleverly abused a part of the relations system in a way that it was never intended to be used for. You can sit here an claim how rude the other kingdom was for not listening to your monarch an try to compare it to the actions of your kingdom but I assure you - the majority of the Utopian players would agree that ignoring an PM is by far less rude then blatantly abusiing a feature of the game in a manner that it was NEVER intended for.
You can take your cracker an your 'better then though' attitude an shove it. Your kingdom abused the system. Any narrow minded Utopian with even minimal experience can see that. Take the first step to rebuilding your kingdoms reputation an atleast admit it. As long as you continue to try to twist the facts around you will continue to lose respect from every Utopian out there.
Oh - I forgot.
When I want to rip up a CF agreement an throw it in their face I hit the REJECT button.
Try that next time. It works.