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Remember me though. I am happy enough to hit into a hostile if you piss me off. Be it bottom feeding my kd all teh time and not accepting a cf. etc. Mind you I have stepped down from leadership and current leadership is squishier then me when dealing with top kingdoms :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
If you won't leave me alone and im not good enough to fight fair I'll wait till you declare!
It even rhymes :p
Where did I claim I have no opinion? Oh that, there is a question mark lacking there sorry :PQuote:
Korps claims he has no opinion and yet he just gave a ton of his own. #hypocrisy
This is a strategy game not a war game (Strike 1), game mechanics are to be used so you can't hid behind them (Strike 2), and you can't steal fake gold (Strike 3 and Koodo is out!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Koodo
PS, Cats is a FSU KD so I'm sure that silldys won't be sad they are getting attention from BiO.
Not seeing much FSU right now. BiO ish bored :(Quote:
Originally Posted by coboss
Fun read during lunch break.
Cats I'm with u "don't wanna be robbed deal with it." That's what we're doing :)
And I'm the halfer guilty as charged for taking stuff from you all age. No regrets. My half giants (they still called those right?) need the finest half prostitutes. Also many in my ranks have a half crack addiction.
Regardless the old addage goes mess with the bull you get the horns. Or rather mess with the half bull and get some stubs.
...does TFC come off a bully-ing kd? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by goodz
@Koodo
little person, please know stuff before you voice your opinion
"Push the button" LOL
I was just saying just because I know what a hostile is and that I should generally not interfere in them it does not mean I will never interfere in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Sometimes you get waved just oow or a top kingdom hits into a clear hostile when your at like 130 nwpa and tagged. Then you message asking for a free retal after the hostile, and they say no. At this point I am not in a good enough kd to do anything about it in the open. But if they get into a hostile or even into a war.... Heck yes I will raze kill a chain target :P Or learn a fatty.
silly ghetto cats..u had it coming..u been in our news way too far, as with other kd's. you should consider your self lucky that off all those kd's u pissed off, the din decide to join forces n instant raze kill you til u disband
Who is this ghetto?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcticdemon
There's nothing against the rules of having alliances and fighting multiple people at once. Its not done because its accepted that its not fun for the kingdom being gangbanged, so it doesn't occur much.
There's nothing against the rules to have someone rob someone else for 2 months straight and never stop. Its not done because its accepted that its not fun for the kingdom being robbed, so it doesn't occur much.
I see absolutely no problem with responding to the latter with the former.
I am actually surprised there isn't any silly warring alliances that just GB in war like in most online games. :P
or the outside team could respect an active hostile and go look elsewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by pint
I hope more kd's will start stealing from these top 10 kd's that sit with low draft & stacked resources. It's not because it's your favourite playing style that the rest of utopia has to respect that.
You guys would have a lot more credibility if you could actually give proof of them stealing in an active hostile. This just looks like them stealing from you outside hostile and you're trying to give them a bad name because they don't want to notice. It's too bad that not more warring kd's do the same it would be a lot of fun seeing how much the top 10 loves to cry.
The playing style is not dictated by our preferences, but by our desire to compete. That is to say, it is determined by the growth mechanics. Dicepumping is the only way to compete for #1 with the current rules, so that's what top kingdoms do. But we have all supported improvements to growth mechanics that would change this. See my signature for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by WickedL
To echo dorje's sentiments, if you think the top 10 enjoys not hitting eachother, dicing for months at a time, and sitting there doing nothing, you are insane. People like to fight and do things, not sit and stock resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by WickedL
The rules are just such that you have to do this boring play in order to win, and of course there are kingdoms that like to win, as there are in any game.
Why? Truth hurts? :/ I may not have chosen the nicest way or wording it, but all of that are facts. You proclaim to be honorable but continue robbing into hostiles. An outsider can probably give you the benefit of the doubt if it happens with one kingdom, but I have seen multiple kingdoms accuse you of it. Does that mean everyone would just be lying? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
You have not asked me to provide proof, you just denied it happened. Please show me where you asked this to me? Either you didn't ask or I missed it among all the spam on a thread. I'm not hard to find on IRC or to leave a message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
And I've already made it quite clear to you, that last age, our hostile with Rage was already active when your kingdom continued to popup into our news. You stole prior to the hostile, and during the hostile. When asked to stop when hostile was active, you continued anyway... so much for your fairplay huh?
This age you wave us just after we wave Rage. Coincidence? You guys claim you had been wanting to wave us for days, but you never did. You couldn't even pull off a wave nor had you armies prepared for a wave. It was a rushed wave into a wave. Sure, it was CF-ed shortly after the wave, but theres something called fairplay. You'll find that kingdoms usually uphold an 10-12 hour period between when your target waved their target and your own wave. (oh, and of course we had gold stolen before we CFed Rage)
@Korp; stfu. I'm not whining, mainly pointing out what fairplay Elurin follows. I'll gladly return him the favor in his own rulebook, np. I'll wave them right after they wave someone and op them when they are hostile with someone. Seems fair game by their own rules ;)
And please do join them, would be one more reason to hit them
Facts, you didnt provide a single proof of your so called facts anyone can spout out any nonsense and claim its facts. If I find 10 different people that claim that your kingdom are xlogging would that considered being the truth? I dont quite follow the logic there.Quote:
Why? Truth hurts? :/ I may not have chosen the nicest way or wording it, but all of that are facts. You proclaim to be honorable but continue robbing into hostiles. An outsider can probably give you the benefit of the doubt if it happens with one kingdom, but I have seen multiple kingdoms accuse you of it. Does that mean everyone would just be lying? Lol.
So, you claiming something makes it the truth?Quote:
And I've already made it quite clear to you, that last age, our hostile with Rage was already active when your kingdom continued to popup into our news. You stole prior to the hostile, and during the hostile. When asked to stop when hostile was active, you continued anyway... so much for your fairplay huh?
Do you make up your own kind of rules? Albeit given that I dont give a crap about this ghetto era of Utopia when trash like your kingdom can be in the top. But ive never heard of anything like that like a time frame.Quote:
Sure, it was CF-ed shortly after the wave, but theres something called fairplay. You'll find that kingdoms usually uphold an 10-12 hour period between when your target waved their target and your own wave. (oh, and of course we had gold stolen before we CFed Rage)
You are whining its nothing else, you are just butthurt cause you think they were a bunch of meanies to you. Others that dont whine would skip all this forum drama and act, action speaks louder than words etc. Sure you can wave them right after they waved if their wave was cfed (thats the only fairplay situation!!!).. Didnt you lose already once, I mean doesnt it hurt your morale thats a so called top kingdom gets their assess handled by a "ghetto"?Quote:
@Korp; stfu. I'm not whining, mainly pointing out what fairplay Elurin follows. I'll gladly return him the favor in his own rulebook, np. I'll wave them right after they wave someone and op them when they are hostile with someone. Seems fair game by their own rules ;)
And please do join them, would be one more reason to hit them
tldr - prot grow some balls and man up.
Fun Time!!!
*Red cuddles all in Silcats and Bio*
Zomg I has the solution we CF BIO and let insolence wave us armies out. Then they can all had smiley faces and we get free war win and more honors! BiO gets their CF Insolence gets another beat down everyone goes home happy!
prot: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...5#post15168345
The other post I refer to there (posted the day before) is somewhere in the simians thread, you're not worth my time to find it but this was quick. I doubt it was "lost in the spam" as it remains the last, unanswered, post. Stop making stuff up. Indeed it's very beneficial for multiple kd's to accuse us for it - you're naive if you don't think any of the kd's we upset by (legit) robbing would like to join in accusing us of made-up stuffies.
Who cares... the wrong do-ers will never admit they're wrong. And the accusers will never admit the wrong-doers are innocent.
This cycle is boring and pointless.
Just bash each other up.
I don't even know this Elurin guy but he's full of sh*t. Knew it since last age but I had a crown to win then. It's my pleasure now though to do what my kingdom enjoys most. It used to be Simians in their position but then Simians turned nice so we lost our toy till now.
No point going Elf setup without someone to toy with... so I guess every one is happy!
I think the issue arises because the top five are counting notice as hostile and the rest of the server is resisting
I recall Rage not treating our notice to Fury last age as 'hostile' and proceeded to notice us regardless.
Who really blocks who around here?
It's cute every time Rage is involved with a KD, ghetto cats is nearby thiefing however.
Eh. Ghettocats steals from a lot of people including Rage. I am also fairly sure they weren't stealing from BiO when we were hostile because (A) I closely monitored BiO's gold and (B) they had very little gold and good tpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talaren
Not rest from server...just one silly kd. when 2 top land chart kds gave eatch other notice its 99% end with hostile/war. So pre notice period is active relation too because both kds train up/change his build and save gold for few dragons. If some one interfere in notice period and rob one from both kds he can change complete incoming war. For this if you decide to not honor this pre hostile period don't be surprised if later one from this kd pay back you how they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
About silly cats. You guys have your own rules but some time its can go against other kds rules and this will bring you "fun" soon or later. Its don't matter if you rob kd in active hostile or not active hostile when you rob same kd for very long period of time. None like to be used like farm, he will remember it and visit you when he can. For this you don't have any reason to complain for getting hit from bio. Another nonsense silly complain is size. If you can sn simians to check if they are in active hostile, mean you don't have problem with simians size and they are bigger from BIO. So take your fight and don't complain.
Elurin, top kds is not retard. You can use from time to time same tactics. Right now from begin was best for cats to ask for CF and give free wave. You can get free landrop and war kd in your size and bio can get his revenge and make both sides happy. Complain there only make more people to want to hit you and make harder diplo solution.
I don't think any of us sillys are complaining because we are being hit by a larger kingdom, I didn't bother to read through every post (just kinda skimmed) but i haven't heard anything like that going on in IRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
As to the first paragraph, if i understand what you are saying correctly is that if two top kingdoms give notice that they are breaking thier CF's with eachother that at some point after that thier will probably be a fight and sense the matchup should be clear who is going to be fighting people should just let them pump and get ready for that fight in peace. Im curious, dose knowing the particpants in the matchup change the situation? if a random ghetto is planing to wave for war in a week (solid wave time in place) but is unsure which kingdom they will attack (due to having a much larger target pool) are they in a different state of relations than say Simians would be if they noticed rage that they will breaking a CF with them in a week (sense by your terms the CF break implies planed attacks)? seems exactly the same to me, the only difference being that Simians knows exactly who they will be fighting due to size and politics narrowing down possible targets to 1, where as the ghetto has to prepare for 1 of several possible targets depending on who's available for a fight after a week. The other difference is that a ghetto would never complain about being hit or robbed during thier war prep period, because firstly "pre-hostile" is not a recognized state of relations and 2ndly their is far too many different kingdoms to nap them all into leaving you alone. Basically I'm saying NO ONE ELSE gets free pump periods (besides end of war CF time) so why dose the top feel so entitled to it? becuse they know who thier target is going to be LOL, right... If i had to guess its because due to rampant NAPing they are used to having those kind of cushy perks and now that cats is accidentally threatening that way of utopian life the top is spazing out.
On a side note its awesome to know that BIO built their strat to counter us furballs (even though we had no intention of being back in the top 10)! I gauranted peoples that at least one top kingdom would do just that as i figured some of them would at least try to adapt. I was banking on Anri and co as they are much more of the FSU attitude that BIO is claiming they have this age but Im just as happy to be proved right by Flogger =). If this continues we might even see some of the top adopt kingdom wide war strats instead of the whore strats they run now and then they will be completely out of excuses as to why they loose wars to sillcats (not to say we would be beat BIO as we cant even get a button from em but Im sure their would be an excuse if we did) =P!
Also im curious what is the time limit on this pre hostile relation that is to be observed? if TFC is claiming they are going to hostile Simians at the EOA than technically would TFC be pre hostile with simians right now? If so dosnt that mean no one should hit them or op them for the rest of the age while they prepare for their EOA hostile with simians?
You think too highly of yourself. BiO has went FSU setup long before the formation of many kingdoms here. I believe BiO and Sleepy were the only 2 kingdoms in modern uto (Age 32 onwards) to carry the FSU attitude and made it our goal to be a pest to the top kingdoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evillone
The one age we didn't was last age when we decided to give crowning a shot. To think we did this to counter 1 kingdom is a rather big ego to carry around. You just so happen to be our new toy till the next kingdom shows up and takes the spot.
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Originally Posted by jdorje
RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by flogger
You have to sit and stock in order to win because of what?
Because of one kd who started it and you couldn't touch it? That's cause YOU WERE NAPPED!
The term nap suddenly became more accurate :P
This may be the worst thread ever assembled.
However I can confirm that Ghetto Cats robbed us into our hostile with Silly Pink last age.
Also, just to back flogger up, if a top kingdom had an "age without naps" they wouldn't be a top kingdom. You'd get in one early war and then you would be 20k acres behind and out of the picture. And then you'd get another fight, and another, and fall further behind. Because no matter how good you are or how many wars you win, every one of them loses you acres compared to the dicing kingdoms. You can take out one or two of them but then you're out of the picture.
The solution is simple: all the top kingdoms just nap each other until yr8. By that time if everyone dices fully and doesn't get stalled everyone will be 200k. Once you are 200k acres you can finally fight and possibly (though it's very hard) take more acres in a war than you would get by dicing.
Another solution is what I have proposed elsewhere: have dicing acres stick around, so if you war you can still clean them out afterwards (if you're good enough to take the econ penalty). This one would be a lot more fun, but it isn't under top kingdoms control though, so the only thing we can do is the first solution.
People want proof. Proof have been given more then plenty of times from all top kds how they got robbed into hostile, eowcf, oow and prior to top fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
It doesnt really matter. Karma is the boss.
I really hope someone is listening to youQuote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Are you for real? You are much more of an idiot than I thought at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Comparing to accusing a kingdom of xlogging with accusing a kingdom of robbing into active hostile... I dont quite follow your logic here.
In first case my request was to backoff in our preparation. That wasn't a hostility no, I never claimed that either; all I did was request to be left alone to prepare for Rage. 12 hours later our hostilities with Rage started and we continued to see some of your provinces in our news. When you catch someone, and then see xxxxx of out gc has been stolen right after, that doesn't really indicate to be a snatch news now, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
So your request for proof came 5-7. The hostile with Rage I had been pointing out multiple times was last age. How much are you going to believe it if I go dig logs and give you that proof?
Furthermore I don't quite follow these forums every day, so even if it was the last post, I had not read it yet. I mostly only read the first few topics at top
Nope, at least I dont. All I did was gently ask to be left alone in that period (which was 12h before hostilities started). Doesn't seem like something too much to ask for?Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
This whole thread is one huge pile of hypocricy and bulls***.
Ppl do what they themself consider morally justified, or what that can get away with ... mkay?
Everything else said here is bs. I find the theorycrafting about pre-hostille periods simply HILLARIOS. Can I run 10% draft whole next age ? I am having pre-hostile period for my yr12 war.
Kudos to cats and bio for playing the game the way they see fit and putting their money where their mouth is and fighting it out. Buthurt haters like Prot&co who talk mad **** on these board cause ppl refuse to comply to their imaginary rules ... just lol
Look like you don't know how game in land chart work. For being there you first need kd with 25 real active people. They need to have enough discipline to follow orders and login every day in time to spend his mana for dice and keep it around 50-60% max. Not every kd can make it because this is hell boring. Its price for being big. If you want to win land/nw chart you wont have fun 80% from age. How dorje and other people already told most land/chart kds make cf and don't war before yr 5-8. At this time they are much bigger from most kds in utopia. There is no way random ghetto to can hit/hur them because NW difference is so huge. Its left only few kds in top to compete etch other. 2-3 are your ally or friends and 2-3 are your opponents. When 2 kds gave etch other notice they are going to war and they have most probably cf with rest kds in range. This mean none will hit them and they can prepare for his wars safe. at this point if there is silly kd who try to rob them its can change war results because most from times money can won war. Now back to your wrong example. Ghetto kds are ghetto because they don't have 25 active provinces, cant grow and they are in range for so many kds. Using there CF/nap play wont give you any advantage. No one will bother with your pre hostile notice period. Its complete different games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evillone
In short if you are ghetto you must play like ghetto if you are top land kd you must follow other logic/rules. If you try to use same ghetto play you will end very bad, because there are few kds, they will remember you and pay back hard when you cant return it.
Simians and TFC are already in hostile. Simians hit TFC and got ops in return. I don't know if TFC is going to keep op them eoa or they will CF but your logic is not correct again. Simians is not random ghetto in range with 30 kds. There is only few kds who can war them. There is no reason for rest to war simians if TFC keep slow them. Its work perfect for rage/hoh/sanc. So they will HAPPY respect eoa hostile simians vs TFC. Game logic in top is complete different from ghetto range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evillone
TFC been UF almost entire time of this conflict. When a 25 faery KD has the button id say that hostile relation applies. They have 25 provs fireballing, NSing, Kidnappin and LL us right now. Why does Cats have to know this, why is our hostile always interesting to them? Why dont they want to CF? Why do they want to steal us or hit us every chance they get or dare too. Why do they want to wave KDs army out? Why do they want to wave KDs oow? Why do they want to be small and abuse relative nw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
It will come back and bite them in the arse more then a few times
Like last Age when we waved you after all the stuff you rambled on about and then you said you wouldn't war us and apologized? lol We play to have fun in Cats and about all this coming back to haunt us nonsense we arent trying to crown so if we lose a bunch of land/nw etc we really arent at all that bothered, it just means we had something interesting to do when we were logging in. Besides the last 3 biggie kingdoms that hit into us for stealing from them all left with a sour taste in their mouths.
And on the BIO side I remember them posting how they liked us earlier in the age because they were able to steal all our GC. I'm still finding it entertaining that a KD mostly rogues is complaining about getting robbed lol. Not to mention the fact that Simians and BIO have been vuluring us after each war since we tagged and I actually have the news to prove it, unlike all our supposed robs into hostiles etc.
Oh well were having fun with BIO atm, and thats all that matters right?