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you mean like when PewPew found a suitable war target when removing EoA cf with strippers (and going to war) to help them avoid being farmed by AMA and in the process farm out strippers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
or like when PewPew removed another EoA cf and ran to war with SWEA to farm out so AMA would not crown?
justice me thinksQuote:
Originally Posted by wablam
anyway congrats to SWEA for land crown.
They are both in vac mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
unless kingdom page is really outdate, i'd have to say no - only PewPewQuote:
Originally Posted by ReinS
both in vaca...but not ama..so they get to grow while others are stuck in protection...when they are the ones who started it all by deal breaking then hitting into war for the second time...seams unfair to me..ama should be put in vaca also if the others are
unfortunately AMA didn't break or bend any game rules - there's no punishment for being lame :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
So people can now hit into wars and people can not retal from war as it will be considered a "fake war".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I guess utopia really is dead.
PewPew waved Jerks while they were hostile with AMA - did we run to war to avoid PewPew who were 85k acres bigger? no we did not - PewPew must of realized it was slippery ground when they ran to war with SWEA and started farming out.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
my only sadness in all this is SWEA get caught in the middle :(
Oh, is that what it is? I must have misunderstood what is happening, what with me being new and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
seriously bishop people arent allowed to retal when someone hits into their war??
OMG I knew it, every age Bishop gets reset as well (like the matrix!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I will now be making all my hits into active wars. Safer that way no way they can hit back. Perfect thanks for making this clear.
its not a real war ffs! Rusty vs ED is a real war - what SWEA and AMA have is far from being what the game intended wars to be for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
Thank you Bishop for acting on this. It's good to see appropriate action.
Just so everyone knows.... Free hits on Rusty and ED while they war.
im actually happy i read this thread today..next age i only attack players who are in war in kingdoms smaller than me...that way when they retal i report them to bishop and they get deleted....free acres all age mawuhahaha....and if they get out of war and come looking for me wont matter cause i only hit kingdoms much smaller...just like elit did all age
I concur with the previous response
nobody got sanctioned for retalling legit. what these people did is jump into a prearranged fake war with the sole intention of retalling the enemy OUTSIDE war. stop pretending u dont understand what they did wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
nice post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by padrez
shame some nubs seem to think its not open season on hitting into real wars.
Don't waste your breath trying to get him to pay attention, when he gets on one of these tangents he can go on and on and doesn't see reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by padrez
do it - i'll happly help ED or Rusty RK you.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDelu
While farming out is lame it does not constitute fake war. Someone hurry up and bring abs back. There is a cocky idiot running things at the top.
it is open season...and if you retal i have you deleted... see you all next age where my goal will be to get a minimum of 10 provs deleted
It would be a pleasure. Some of us in ghettos are bored... Might be a fun way to play the last little bit of the round.
then you need to brush up on your uto facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDelu
SWEA and PewPew entered an arranged was so (a) PewPew could farm their acres out to AMA [not 1 single retal into SWEA] and (b) abuse war protection so PewPew could keep retal warring AMA.
Their war was not designed to be a 'normal' utopian war (again I point to ED vs Rusty as reference to what uto wars should be like - both teams exchanging hits / ops with each other, not just 1 team farming) - their war was instigated and started to avoid 1 kingdom while farming out to another.
Why didn't SWEA and PewPew just drop ingame CF and have SWEA hit PewPew OOW? why did PewPew need to enter war with SWEA?
I didn't know PewPew was farming out to AMA that is interesting. I thought they were hitting back to prevent that ;)
Can't fault the meaning so you have to attack the error in his typing. Such a cute way to succeed your point, Delu.
Abusing war protection to fight a target outside of your kingdom is against the rules. Period.
I'd only agree this was fake war if Pew hit out at AMA before AMA hit into war. Pew had told AMA they'd raze them if they hit into this war. AMA did hit in so pew razed them. Pew had every right to take back the acres AMA had stolen from them. Why should Pew not be allowed to enter a war they wanted and take the land owed from AMA back as well.
This means that if a kingdom waves a kingdoms before they enter a war, they can not retal before entering war and if they do the kingdom whom waved them originally now gets 48 hours of free hits on them!
normally people finish their war then retal once OOW no?Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
there was no hostility between SWEA and PewPew until they arranged this war - they would never of entered a war if AMA wasn't hitting PewPew.
Anyone who says 'oh so it's okay to hit into a war and when they retal I will report and they will get deleted?' is missing the point entirely.
It's not just what happened during the war, it's what happened before, and the context of the entire war in the first place.
It was use of war so Pew could suicide onto AMA banks and minimize retal damage.
It was use of war so Pew could give SWEA acres quickly as possible.
It was use of war so Pew could hit AMA from inside war and not give ops/relations.
This is not the intended use of the war mechanic and is clearly not in the spirit of the game.
If Mansoor is sincere in his claim that "we saw a button and pushed it," then I feel bad for him. But I find it hard to believe that someone from SWEA was not complicit in the whole arrangement.
I don't understand why you guys didn't just gb AMA if you had a problem with what they were doing.
Did they retal with trad marches or razes? Doing retals with trad marches would be legit, you're looking to get your lost land back ASAP. But doing retals with razes just serves to destroy land and punish the kingdom you're razing. Seems to me like a "get land back" reaction could happen right away, but a "punishment razing" reaction could easily wait until a legitimate war is finished.
So... trads or razes was it?
Cause if you are a cheater you will never think of making tms and claim it is not fake war but retal? :D
Indeed, that is a nice summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetley
American Baddass(Simians who were at the time engage in retalwar with swea) admitted that PewPew/SWEA came to them several hours before war happened and asked them for cf so they could war, hence he admitted that Mansoor couldn't possibly have "just taken the button when he saw it" SWEA knew there would be war, they arranged it. Since we can now conclude that we can guess that if Mansoor is lying about that there's every chance that he was also in on pewpew suiciding on AMA banks, the time(or lack thereof) that swea took to quad those banks down further strengthens that hypothesis.
Go ahead, see how it works out for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDelu
I'd delete you for wasting my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
If the situation is as it now appears then it's pretty clearly a fw.
So if the consensus by the Utopian Lords (or whatever we want to call the powers that be ^.^) is that Pew Pew and SWEA were indeed fake warring - does that mean they're going to have all of their war wins erased and their monarch provinces deleted to, like Debauchery had done last age? Or are they just going to be put in vacation mode and that's it?
I have a feeling they're in only in VM until the matter can be properly investigated
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Originally Posted by Palem
This is CLEARLY a fake war. Both PewPew and SWEA should be deleted.
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Originally Posted by tetley
It was pewpew's intended use of war mechanic. Like i said in the other thread, any system that requires policing is a BAD system.
The punishment SHOULD vary based on the intended goal. Last age for debauchery the goal was the war win crown. Their war wins were reset as a result. In this situation, the goal was a land crown. Resetting war wins means garbage here. Suspending them to EoA may not be considered enough punishment by some, but it's definitely a good enough punishment to prevent any kind of benefit either kingdom had from attempting this method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farore