Princess Elit and the Pea doesn't like the way the bed is made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
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Princess Elit and the Pea doesn't like the way the bed is made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
after being forced out of #relaxunderthesun (need to suntan before pyro-bb) and needing to talk to multiple parties + reading logs, +trying to decipher whats right/wrong.. I think both parties are at fault. But before I got into the rationale why I think both parties are at fault..
Palem : there's a big difference with 24hrs additional time (Between 48 and 72 hours). trust me on this. :P
Ecdain : I suggest you shld find a kd and play in the top, or at least play more competitive utopia so you would know how strategic the game can be, and how things revolve around politics. :D
okay..
I think pewpew shldnt have noticed before jerks entered war. it looks terribly bad on paper.
I think cello/elit had big miscommunication about 48hrs or 72hrs notice period. and hence this terrible confusion.
and I guess the main talking point (that AMA brought up) is.. whether jerks and pewpew coordinated this whole stuff. which I honestly don't know, and hopefully don't need to find out! the lesser I know, the better!
#back2relaxunderSun
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 34 (5,021 acres)
-- Traditional march: 28 (4,661 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (360 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (2.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 20
Total attacks suffered: 45 (6,426 acres)
-- Traditional march: 36 (5,789 acres)
-- Ambush: 8 (637 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (2.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 20
** The kingdom of JERKS **
Total land exchanged: -1,405 (34/45)
Can you tell me what exactly is fake about this war elit? Other than you just don't approve of it
Thanks for telling it how it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Shai
Silly to bring that up knowing pewpew prepared and watched AMA fight jerks all that time and just longed and waited to notice them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
If you're trying, yes I completely agree. But AMA is on record as not caring if they win, so I'm confused why they're so mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
I pretty much understand how and why people don't like AMA but calling Elit alone arguing against what seems pretty much like a plethora of haters the "AMA propaganda machine" seems pretty far fetched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
Some alternative thoughts:
- Why is it considered 2v1? Well let's start at the beginning when Jerks FB AMA cow before their first conflict with Pew. Is it against the rules? No. Is it one kingdom spending their resources to help another kingdom in their upcoming conflict? Sure.
Then Jerks engage them in war and instead of doing what is best for their kingdom, they make strategic move to weaken them for upcoming conflict again by doing max gain on their big provs instead of working out a CF agreement and prefer to engage in round 2, throwing their own kingdom under the bus, coincidentally making sure AMA grows big in acres while eating ops.
Finally the timing of Jerks' war and giving notice makes it pretty obvious the whole thing is orchestrated from both kingdoms (Jerks and Pew). So how can anyone really argue that it isn't two kingdoms coordinating their actions to hurt a third, cordially known as 2v1?
I don't even care much about the fact, I simply get riled up when people make up stupid stories to deny the obvious. Call it a brilliant strategy instead. Also consider throwing all that talk about "honorable play in top" out of the window. Oh wait.. wasn't that what Pew was all about couple of ages ago in the first place?
Well played.
It's the same for me. The only difference for you guys is that this directly hurts you, and not some unknown noob you couldn't give a **** about. All I have to say is that if Jerks get bullied they should just grow and raze em into their next war. And if Ama gets bullied by PewPew they should just raze their banks and ruin their age aswell (that's what you guys always suggest right, fighting back?). That will teach em to stay away next age!Quote:
This isn't about bullying though but about deal-breaking. If you don't see the difference that's pretty sad.
I'm not one of "them guys", I'm one of "you guys", just without the inferiority complex and not so full of hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
TommyB, bro, what the **** are you talking about?
Regarding the max gain wave at the end of the war.... have you not seen every other leader in the game on these forums agreeing that max gain wave before WD is standard practice? I don't know AMA's CF agreements, my decision to do a max gain wave had literally nothing to do with "weakening them for upcoming conflict."
Also: why do people keep going back to this suggestion - that I alone made a choice for my kingdom that was the "worse" choice by fighting back? Are you so blind that you can't see elit and cello ALSO made the worse decision for their kingdom by forcing a second conflict?
The truth of it was that fighting was worse for both of us - but bending over and giving acres was bad for us and excellent for them. Yet THEY CHOSE JUST LIKE I DID. They could have given me a 2 week free CF and they opted not to. So they hurt themselves too; for pride, #forfun, for raw acres, for whatever reason. It's not like they were forced to come b2b. That was a decision THEY MADE, not me.
Regarding the fireball early age - I don't even think we knew it was AMA when we started fireballing. And regardless, why does the blame fall to a smaller kingdom for fireballing, and not on AMA leaders who decided to retal SEVEN TIMES for one hit after you just explored a cow and his WPA was trash and you had a conflict coming up?
Figure out what's going on before you post here again.
AMA has given ops to random "ghettoes" at bad times more then once this age.
Thats not anyones fault but their own and even Elit admitted this in our talks yesterday
No one ever said there was blame, all I say is Jerks actions lead to big advantage for another kingdom (coincidentally both times PewPew) when warring AMA.
If there wasn't any coordination then I'd say you guys should stick to not coordinating as it seems to work a lot better than actively trying to cooperate. :p
I would agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
Personally I have a little thing in Pew called: "DO NOT GIVE GHETTOS OPS WHEN U R SITTING ON SH1TLOAD OF GC!!!!!!!" and "DO NOT GIVE GHETTOES OPS WHEN YOU JUST LAUNCHED A COW WITH NO WPA"
I just find that safer
I heard its all Abs fault with their hidden return ;)
Also jerks could have played their dealings better, but so could AMA both KDs knew what would happen, Jerks knew b2b might be on cards when failing talks and AMA knew PewPew would come for them.
Hope BB / Pyro watching their tails if they try warring it out.
Shai half your text is "pewpew knew this" other half is "we" - are you with them or not?
either way gl in the hostile/war will be interesting to see how AMA decides to play the cards given.
I'm not full of hate, just giving them some advice to prevent this from happening in the future.Quote:
I'm not one of "them guys", I'm one of "you guys", just without the inferiority complex and not so full of hate.
Can we have a Scooby doo themed pre war party?
Shai is my steward and his post are Pews official view of the situationQuote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
When I tell you that there's a difference between deal-breaking and bullying you don't even get what I'm saying and instead immediately put me down as "them" who don't "give a ****" about a "noob" like yourself. This alone is pretty telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
I'm gonna have to spell out the difference.
- Bullying: A better kingdom takes your stuff because you're not able to defend it.
- Deal-Breaking: You make a deal with someone and wait until their backs are turned from trusting your word, then you backstab them.
If this is the same for you then I don't know what else to tell you.
I thought this was as common a philosophy as max gaining right before surrendering to minimize your losses. Hmm now that I say that I think I see the issue here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
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Originally Posted by TommyB
Actually thats only partial true in the first war, and that was accidental, and it wouldnt have changed the outcome of that war.
AMA gained a ****load of acres from Jerks (was it 30k all in all with ww bonus and the second hostile?) and went from totally out of the race to straight into it.
From PewPews point of view it would had been ALOT better if Jerks didnt face AMA at all. And for the very same reason AMA went for Jerks twice trying to milk as much acres as they possibly could from them
Dang in game war is ruining my forum activity.
GL byenar
I'm still being slopped to the chain pigs in our war, but have had time to gather the evidence on this very page: Jerks warring to advantage was the best opportunity to get back in the race. - I FEEL like I know what I'm talking about, but I don't KNOW what I'm talking about. please continue...
I dont play anymore but from reading your post you sound like a n00b, which I already know from the history of DoA. I idle in AMA private and even asked the guys during their fight with jerks what their deal with you was as I thought you'd try to vulture them when this was over and it wasn't just 48h notice, it seems like pet made a deal with elit and afte that quit and you guys are using that as an excuse to do what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
Shainoob why do you assume if ama and jerks have plenty of beef that ama is going to hit someone oow in a move that almost certainly will not result in war is doing it to dodge your kd, you sound like a bign00b. I'm sorry the game doesnt resolve around your ass. And if you didnt want to sit on 65% draft you should have done a duration cf. The main reason for your play is because you want to have the opportunity to vulture AMA while you have pumped and come in with advantages since every single time your kd has faced AMA and other kds of that caliber in past ages, you've lost each and every time. If you guys actually wan to prove you are better than someone why dont you try and actually beat them in a close fight rather than vulturing people, your kd doesnt have a chance to crown anyways might as well prove you guys can war good kds.
Further one party cant unilaterally deicde a hostile is over and go to war with another kd. That's using fw to dodge a on going fight. The last time this happened was when sanc and ama had hostile oow and sanc unilaterally decided hostile was "over" and havoc hit ama. Honestly anyone who participates in lame coordination like this needs to be gbed. You cant just say hostile is over and get your bigger friends to step in, of thats the case then ama should just retal war pewpew oow and bb or some other kd needs to say hostile is over and start hitting pewpew. I thought you guys were all about trying to play clean but it seems you are up to your lame tricks again, i mean with as profound of a history of ****playing as you guys have it doesnt surprise me.
TLDRQuote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Didnt u retire?
Propaganda is post you just made. If you ask for pew pew every one know its Pet kingdom and when he is around all you are peons. When he make deal for pew its deal pew made. About me its clear im less active this age but im still play and have final say on all. So deal we made is only legit deal both kds have and your kd is try to change it use chat from binar/cello where both parties didunt agree to any new deal. If pet didunt left you logs was easy to ask me for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
What you doing is pure BS and DEAL BREAK when you know our deal terms you still insist for 48h notice given in hostile.
Actually his post was good. If you don't have what to say don't post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
I have offered you different terms for a CF deal instead of you fighting us, but you still insist that you wont accept anything else then 1 week prep time or a EoA CF for 0 acres.
Are you saying Elit is being unreasonable? It's that time of the age that Elit flips the switch. I am going to enjoy this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Deal break and insist acres from deal break advantage is not deal i can accept. EOA CF is best way for move on from all drama or if your kd look for good war you can give us proper time so we can prepare and have real war. I have done it every age. You are talking how Pew Pew is "most fair kingdom" but you are well know for vulture other kingdoms and run/shape chart when you cant win war. Did you ever gave any one extra time for prepare and war? How "evil" AMA can give rest kds time for prepare and "fair pew pew" cant? You are all about take easy acres. Guess you are trying to do your way up like SWEA but Mansor was much better on making good story for read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
#1 Iam not dealbreaking, and I will refuse to reply to any msgs claiming that I am
#2 Iam not looking for a good war, i am after your acres
#3 the deal for a 3 week CF for 17% of ur acres (was 16,5k yesterday when I first offered it, is a tad more now cause of ur pool usage) still stands
#4 I offered to retract notice and renotice to give you 12hours more of prep time just cause Iam a nice guy. You choose to threaten me with GB/threaten to farm out to someone else/ threaten to farm out to me (lol?!?) instead
#5 ....?
#6 Profit!
Completely ridiculous to ask pewpew for 1 week preptime. Not sure what game you think you are playing. Pewpew has sat trained for +1 week waiting for you and you knew about it all along. You had all opportunity to prep and you chose to go for Jerks b2b instead. Get real.
1. When you dont keep deal your kd made its deal break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
2. Its good you admit you are looking for easy acres.
3. Deal you want to force from deal break advantage is not deal i can agree.
4. retract notice with 12h is pure joke. Im look for its to be solved peaceful but if you keep it sure im expect rest kds to help when you deal break.
Who? Really interested in seeing the long list of AMA friendsQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Every one who dont want to get same **** in return and not get help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Paging Jimmy deGoodz
So I take it that you re-engaged Jerks to have a "fair balanced b2b war"Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
LOL
u crack me up elit
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Originally Posted by Binar
What about Jerks FB us and 3 days later you jumped on us when we wared early. Now jerks did same and you jump again. When Pew Pew become this kind kd not able to play 1vs1 and constant use other kds help for win war?
You gave ops to a random kingdom after u launched a bank with no WPA, thats not my fault.
According to your logic its Jerks fault that you gave ops to SPGC and they FGed 50mil from you, and its my fault that you gave ops to Jerks and they FBed you.
#learn2whore
Although we touched on it already;Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
Shai was right, it is a propaganda machine as the notice is valid as the conflict had changed directions and AMA was doubling more then one province. We also went so far as to offer some extra time to AMA since Jerks was not quite in war yet as a nice gesture. Now this conflict has been brought to the forums so AMA can say we are not honest and that we do not believe in fairplay publicly to slander our reputation. I can not speak to the past as I only came home, [back to my old shell, now Pew] mid age last age. From what I have seen since I joined there has been nothing but fairplay. There were many options to do many things to the contrary including screw over AMA last age and fight RBL as we had the valid option to, and continue to pound on AMA after we won our war ensuring they couldn't recover and would not be able to progress further in the age. Those are merely two things I can quickly recite as honorable actions. I have played in many KDs where the ethic is not nearly to the standard we are setting in Pew. This last issue with AMA, is close to the line in AMAs eyes, however we had to stall our age and lost time since we had only 48 hrs notice. We had been waiting for them to jump us the entire time and had to plan around it, so seeing Jerks take on another opponent after getting farmed out, our eyes turned to the option and decided it would be a good time to have a fun war between the two kingdoms. Seeing the war a couple hours later solidified our sent notice and there should have been no further issue. However we were greeted by Elit and Cello responding to us saying it was invalid, so what do we do? To pacify the issue we recovered logs thus proving the 48H notice was indeed correct and I even offered to re-notice some 8-10 hours after initial notice while Bin was doing diplo with Elit. We offered this to him to try and make feelings better and make them happy. That failed terribly as well, they want way too much when we did nothing wrong. Us even offering to change something that much is a grand gesture on Pews behalf yet certain people still want to accuse us of a dealbreak. It simply isn't so.
Any how looking at Tommys post, I had to reply, the accusations are flying so wildly its simply preposterous.
"Well let's start at the beginning when Jerks FB AMA cow before their first conflict with Pew. Is it against the rules? No. Is it one kingdom spending their resources to help another kingdom in their upcoming conflict? Sure."
--> This is absurd, as was mentioned we weren't even aware of who Jerks was at this point and this type of response is usually generated when a kingdom does an absurd retal like 7 for 1 hit. They saw it was a top tier KD and wanted retribution, how could they do so? FB a huge province with terrible WPA. There was no coordination at all, especially since both kingdoms aren't allies, we waved them last age for some acres even. Yet again more propaganda aimed at discrediting Pews hard work and ethics.
"Then Jerks engage them in war and instead of doing what is best for their kingdom, they make strategic move to weaken them for upcoming conflict again by doing max gain on their big provs instead of working out a CF agreement and prefer to engage in round 2, throwing their own kingdom under the bus, coincidentally making sure AMA grows big in acres while eating ops."
--> Second part is almost blatantly obvious enough within itself, however I shall entertain it. Many players, monarchs, and people who know how to play and/or have played for a little while even, know that taking the most acreage you can back before you withdraw evens out your losses. Its just that simple. Accusing Pew on being aligned with Jerks to "weaken them" is entirely off basis, another shot in the dark by the propaganda machine attempting to tarnish the reputation.
"Finally the timing of Jerks' war and giving notice makes it pretty obvious the whole thing is orchestrated from both kingdoms (Jerks and Pew). So how can anyone really argue that it isn't two kingdoms coordinating their actions to hurt a third, cordially known as 2v1?
I don't even care much about the fact, I simply get riled up when people make up stupid stories to deny the obvious."
--> Lastly, it can appear orchestrated, sure however, we could have noticed at any point really if we wanted to dealbreak. At the end of the EoWCF would have been a perfect time, or at the start when relations weren't even really began. This is not how we do things, we do have integrity despite the uncouth manner in which we are being accused. We saw Jerks were taking it upon themselves to war someone else as AMA had already farmed anything worthwhile. This, and AMA clearly wanting to war someone, [as stated in forums multiple times] showed us they would likely war and would be happy while doing so. This way they get to hit a kingdom smaller and find a war they so desperately sought. Since now AMA feels they are not holding all the advantages, they are crying dealbreak, which simply isn't true. Its sad that this is what they resort to when they do not have a million advantages while opposing kingdom lacks any advantage, but this is the style of play everyone knows AMA for. And as for this Tommy character saying he does not care... just lol, why would you help the propaganda machine and further the issue, if you don't care you wouldn't have tried to further discredit us.
At this point the whole thing should have been explained out enough for the simplest of people to understand. Pew and AMA will fight, it will not be on AMAs terms [for once] and it will be a fun and exciting war. GL to both kingdoms and I wish the best to AMA.
AMA crying about poor sportsmanship makes me smile
At least some one is happy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Spice