Current kingdom is VS DBing SpartaEz enough Bart (X:XX)

What I find most fascinating about this how Bart cant keep up with his own lies. In this thread alone he has claimed there was a in-game cf then few post further down in this same thread he claimed there was no in-game cf ever! Then he suddenly is the one sending the CF and Gangstah is the one accepting the CF. I think Bart should stick with one train of thoughts cause this seem to confuse him way too much.

Its nice to see Matija finally found a home where hes not disliked! Probably cause hes so blindly sucking up to them.

What do you know about people liking or not liking me in Sparta? Speak for yourself only. I'm sure there's people who don't like me here. We don't have to like each other to work/play together anyway, as long as we consent to a code of conduct. If I'm ever sucking up it it's a survivalist mentality, it's a good mindset to have. That's not me though sadly enough, you think a sucking up person would get into trouble with each monarch he's ever played under (yes Bart included)? I could have followed octobrev into CR or wherever but I chose not to so I'm sticking it out here now, what's it to you? Don't you have business of your own to mind? Great purpose in life you must have, to come here and bother others... Like octobrev said, you "bring me much sadness".

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

What do you know about people liking or not liking me in Sparta? Speak for yourself only. I'm sure there's people who don't like me here. We don't have to like each other to work/play together anyway, as long as we consent to a code of conduct. If I'm ever sucking up it it's a survivalist mentality, it's a good mindset to have. That's not me though sadly enough, you think a sucking up person would get into trouble with each monarch he's ever played under (yes Bart included)? I could have followed octobrev into CR or wherever but I chose not to so I'm sticking it out here now, what's it to you? Don't you have business of your own to mind? Great purpose in life you must have, to come here and bother others... Like octobrev said, you "bring me much sadness".

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Thats why you got kicked out of your two previous kingdoms? :) Cause people dont need to get along with eachother to play with eachother

But nice to see how defensive you got over me expressing im glad you found a home that you are not disliked in!

I'm not being defensive, this is pure offense. It's nice to see you have nothing to say to the fact I want to build, create and improve while you only want to bother others trying to do so.

You completely missed the point btw, point was we can get along without liking each other.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

What you mean not going to make a big deal about it? Because it's not one of your friends? Anyway he hasn't done this intentionally, at least I don't think so, no that I trust Bart much but there WAS a guy in our KD looking for a random hit on someone, so he found this guy through target search and wanted to hit, we noticed we had a CF from before to which Bart replied it wasn't termed so I broke the CF a day afterwards, some days after the same guy made the hit, that could have ended there, not sure why it complicated - all these FSU threats are new to me. To me it seems like a classic - breaking CF means you DB but what do I know, I don't see why we would intentionally DB a guy that we didn't even know existed until one random guy found a random target to hit. Not that all of this means we actually unintentionally deal broke him - that's a negatory too from what I can see, nothing was consented or it would already be in the forum, right?

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You are being sent behind the light where Bart intentionaly did not want to accept the terms though he accepted the CF offer in game. I can prove you this with following.

*Sparta stole gc.

*Bart got a msg saying hey there what are you doing you got newly explored province with core way oor. (This is where Bart refeer this to threath/FSU)

*Bart undertands he got to do something here!

*He reads the terms, he accept ingame CF deal sent but with a backdoor if he ignores the msg that never happend!

*He then lie to all of you that there was no deal and that this ghetto got to die!

Its funny though becasue all the lies shows in this forum posts of Bart! =)

I don't know about any of that Kirill, what I've said stands, there was a KD member in KD chat looking for a hit so I broke the CF, I'm not aware of any possible stories behind that.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I'm not being defensive, this is pure offense. It's nice to see you have nothing to say to the fact I want to build, create and improve while you only want to bother others trying to do so.

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What have you built, create and improved? Nothing. Your record speaks for yourself. But I guess in your world fantatically defending ****play is to create, improve and build. :))


Kirill - Im afraid logic and common sense dont work on Matija, not when you "attack" is idols and gods in utopia.

That's true, well it's not plural, my God and idol in Utopia is only myself.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

That's true, well it's not plural, my God and idol in Utopia is only myself.

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Thats why you so desperately want to be like Bart and octobrev, taking every chance you get to mention their names. Wouldnt suprise me if you had a doll of each in your room.

Absolutely not.

They are both too dishonest for my liking, not sure about Bart though. Octobrev is just...

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Originally Posted by Korp

What have you built, create and improved? Nothing. Your record speaks for yourself. But I guess in your world fantatically defending ****play is to create, improve and build. :))


Kirill - Im afraid logic and common sense dont work on Matija, not when you "attack" is idols and gods in utopia.

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Why are you so bitter with Matija. Normally those gestures are just shoing jealousy.

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Originally Posted by Korp

What have you built, create and improved? Nothing. Your record speaks for yourself. But I guess in your world fantatically defending ****play is to create, improve and build. :))


Kirill - Im afraid logic and common sense dont work on Matija, not when you "attack" is idols and gods in utopia.

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Matija has already hugely contributed to Sparta. As for dishonest, mostly it comes out of me really not knowing/forgetting the terms/diplo I did. When that happens, all I can go by is what I can retrieve from my in-game mail as I don't keep other logs. Gotta understand, I can basically say "hi" before going to work, then spend about 20-30 mins after work. Weekends are different of course.

I asked x:x to show me agreeing to his terms and if he could I would've just given back the land. Same went for TNB last age.

I don't see myself as a dishonest person, the people in here that truly know me is that if anything I'm way too trustful of people and then get screwed over by them. In the long run this has led to a somewhat defensive/wary attitude. Uto is really a cesspool of lying and dishonest scum. We as Sparta are the only non-topKD taking a stand against the ****players, who then go forward and send their cronies on dirty campaigns on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Poopsie

Why are you so bitter with Matija. Normally those gestures are just shoing jealousy.

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Can't you just feel him dying inside? The dude is one step from admitting he would be the happiest person alive if nobody liked me at all.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

It wasn't me intentionally misleading him, it was merely us not caring too much about a 1-prov KD, until said KD threatened to FSU after a 1-time hit of 150 acres.

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Yeah, I accept that. I was not meaning to suggest it was intentional on your part. But I don't think he can reasonably blamed for assuming you had read the PM he sent if you then went and accepted/offered the CF. I wouldn't want everyone to start writing "Please acknowledge safe receipt" and then chasing me until I reply to say I've read their PM ;)

But if you accidentally misled him, I can see why he is annoyed (especially bearing in mind that when he became annoyed, he didn't know the back story as to how/why it was unintentional and, it seems, neither did you as you have pieced together what happened over 5 pages of forum posts).

Im still trying to figure out whats going on...

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Originally Posted by umajon911

Im still trying to figure out whats going on...

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You're supposed to add something random that seems on topic and drop the mic like a boss. Recently outdated slang, welcome.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Good luck finding anyone that actually stands behind their words in this game Magicus.

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Ahem. Hey now.

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Originally Posted by Panthira

Ahem. Hey now.

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Still waiting...

Silence doesn't = consent.

Standing behind your word invites twisting of your words. That's really the core of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Funny how the biggest scumbags and cheaters in uto come out here and call us scumbags. Sparta has ALWAYS played legit and clean.

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So the kingdom I actioned on numerous occasions that you led, that wasn't Sparta?

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Originally Posted by Bishop

So the kingdom I actioned on numerous occasions that you led, that wasn't Sparta?

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Hmn interesting.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

So the kingdom I actioned on numerous occasions that you led, that wasn't Sparta?

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What kind of actions?

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Funny how the biggest scumbags and cheaters in uto come out here and call us scumbags. Sparta has ALWAYS played legit and clean.

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Did you forget this thread exists?
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...YO-Drama-Queen

BSA fully endorses our (part-time) ally, Spartans BSA.

Difference between legit top kingdoms sh*t play and Spartans. Is Top kingdoms do it for a goal like winning a land crown. Spartans do it just to be *ss holes and drive people away from the game. Like the game isn't already too small. Spartans being allowed to remain utopia is just bad business and bad for the game. If I owned the game I would just delete you and block your ip. Basically allowing Spartans to stay in the game is like letting a bum live in your restaurant to harass your customers. Then say I wonder why I can't get more customers. I understand the game is a social game but allowing a kingdom to just run around scaring players away from the game shouldn't be tolerated. No we can't police Spartans because even if you turn them all green they will just come back. Hence it's up to owner ship honestly, because it's like asking a customer to be responsible for policing the homeless guy harassing other customers. Just my two cents.

What I don't understand is spartans' motivation in all of this. You spent half of last age simply razing ghettos, and seem to be doing the same this age. Is there enjoyment in trying to get people to quit the game? Do you just hope people post about you on forums and what big people you are? Or is there some other motivation behind it?

So okay, you claim you didn't have a ceasefire with this guy because you tricked him, as you have tricked so many others, into thinking he was ceasefired with you. Now you break the ceasefire and hit him, and he hits back. How do we go from there to "he's going to get razekilled"? Why would this whole situation not end in people actually talking to each other?

The deal with spartans is that they use the mechanics to eliminate threats. If you threaten, get razekilled, if you even seem like a threat, get raze killed. Slight annoyance? Raze kill. There's nothing to stop them, so why would they stop? Even if it's only a 1% chance that you might come bite them in the ass, it's 0% if they raze you to 100a. It's not a Spartan problem, it's a mechanics problem. The game itself is flawed, bigger is ALWAYS better, 100 times compounded by CFs at the top.

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Originally Posted by Bananamancer2000

Even if it's only a 1% chance that you might come bite them in the ass, it's 0% if they raze you to 100a.

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Not true! and I aim to prove that.

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Originally Posted by Magicus Lex Non Scripta

Not true! and I aim to prove that.

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PheonixMagicus Lex Non Scripta 83a

Until I see a drop in player numbers I think everyone should stop crying that Spartans is making people quit.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

What I don't understand is spartans' motivation in all of this. You spent half of last age simply razing ghettos, and seem to be doing the same this age. Is there enjoyment in trying to get people to quit the game? Do you just hope people post about you on forums and what big people you are? Or is there some other motivation behind it?

So okay, you claim you didn't have a ceasefire with this guy because you tricked him, as you have tricked so many others, into thinking he was ceasefired with you. Now you break the ceasefire and hit him, and he hits back. How do we go from there to "he's going to get razekilled"? Why would this whole situation not end in people actually talking to each other?

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1. There is no over-arching motivation. These cases are all judged case-by-case.
2. Last age? You mean razing Pandas, who DBed us and won your age for you?
3. Him hitting back has nothing to do with anything, please read the full topic before responding.
4. Because the guy doesn't want to solve this diplomatically.

I have great respect for you Jdorje, one of the few in Uto really. But you're simply commenting based on sketchy evidence and taking the troll's words for fact. Utopia has long enough been plagued by 1-2 prov KDs who threaten their way to CFs with top-KDs then do nothing but press explore until EOA and throw their weight around to help their friends (the one top-KD that profits from them being big). I don't know what your motivations are here, perhaps these guys are your friends and you hoped for acres from them down the line. I do know that all these so-called "ghetto's" aren't ghetto at all, they're just running very few provinces.

Last age we've had to deal with too many KDs who'd for instance hit our banks or steal tons of gc, then tell us "either EOA CF or we raze into your next war or raze your banks". This age they're basically saying the same, only difference is that we don't give a **** and don't mind spending 4-5 days killing their provs rather than caving in to their BS.

But yea, now you made me very curious as to your truly motivation for coming here and posting even though you always claim you stay away from drama/forums, is there something more we should know?

Bart you've just reminded me of that Absalom guy inside of that Mythos shell KD that FSUed into FS prep with a few provinces that we had to remove but Emeriti swooped in before us to take the land which then reminds me of all the Pandas actually being former Mythos players which then reminds me how Pandas screw you over every age.

Don't remember that situation too well, but it's funny that this guy comes in here to talk down to us, while his KD has spent the last few weeks soldier-swapping to feed on ghetto's. Trust me, that stuff hurts the game way more than us disbanding some 1/2 prov FSU ghetto's.

It seems suddenly Barts excuse for everything "I dont remember too well!!" lol

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Originally Posted by Korp

It seems suddenly Barts excuse for everything "I dont remember too well!!" lol

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I noticed that too.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Don't remember that situation too well, but it's funny that this guy comes in here to talk down to us, while his KD has spent the last few weeks soldier-swapping to feed on ghetto's. Trust me, that stuff hurts the game way more than us disbanding some 1/2 prov FSU ghetto's.

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Triple crown while ****ting on others ftw. I'm so jealous, must suck to be Korp and feel like this all the time.

Bart isn't killing the game by razing a 2 prov kd. He's saving the game by giving flogger a reason to care.

Does this mean you are 2/2 for being on Bart's side? I'm not going to be here for the retribution.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Bart isn't killing the game by razing a 2 prov kd. He's saving the game by giving flogger a reason to care.

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Bart is currently razing 3 different kingdoms and razed another one excessively previously. One of those kingdoms were in war even.