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AMA, Havoc and pyro were all the only kds with a shot to crown. what AMA did was bs and they know it. They have now lost any rights to crown. After the war Havoc will raze down and pyro vs havoc will happen which *should* decide the crown. The only kd we don't want winning is AMA due to deal breaking that has NEVER been ok and now the top is so small we can and will start policing it no matter who you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetley
Noop. CR and Pyro will match up but too early for you to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fury
Anri is blind and smokes the wrong brand of weed. Sorry I have to say this.
Yes. I got gbed by abs twice for far less things then a dealbreak+wave. Absalom was good at it and this is one of the times they would have gbed also.Quote:
Originally Posted by coss
I did not know everyone in AMA got to vote. A) Dealbreak+wave B) play fair and win with style or go down with styleQuote:
Originally Posted by clawz
You guys went option A)
Tells me a great deal of AMA
Anri, no one like Simians because every age you are doing lame ****s to all kds you have power. You alredy deal broke us x2 and joined GB x2. You deal broke many kds in past too. This age all ages you asked us and other side for gb them. Simple Simians is ready to join any time for GB any kd and you are happy doing it. You cant pretend about fair play when kds involved in this GB dont play fair most from time and make lame moves. We get same ****s every age and we are tired from it. Its why we did what we did and its same from what we get regular but now its become "unfair". Its how you guys play nonstop.
You want justice. There is FAIR solution. All kds involved in GB reset same number provs you killed and we gave acres to Havoc back. They was only kd with real shot for win age till they messed it and after it pyro refuse to help in 2vs1. Whan to be fair? Give up crown and back chart to his proper place. Havoc was only kd with shot for win in fair play.
Oh I have never questioned that they wont be matched up, im questioning you chart shaping on such a massive level, deciding which kds amongst your "justice league" that will crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
You should call yourself the chart shaping dictatorship if anything
I predict very interesting next ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Somehow i have a feeling there will be an alliance to dominate the top.
However history shows that Domination leads to war.
Resistance will be formed. Lets see how long that alliance may be "policing" the top :)
the faery circle will be back :D
WOW- Coss makes a humble and respectful statement about Absalom . Something i wouldnt have expected to see ever considering the differences we had back in the days.
Ppl are bringing up bad stories about absalom all the time and i fear they are right in respect to the last few ages of Absalom.
Back in the day when Absalom ( and the game ) was going strong though Absaloms main idea was to protect its kingdoms from "****play".
Also we tried to be respectful to the other kds around us and thus expected a similar courtesy in return.
What Havoc did was very provoking and in my times as Absalom leader i would clearly have scolded any Abs monarch for doing their diplo that way - Its just a big NO GO if you want to have a somewhat respectful playing environment.
On the other hand if one of our kds got NAP Broken of course Absalom would have stepped in - even against the odds ( yes we have fought Alliance wars a many and even when outnumbered ) stood up for our kingdoms and beliefs .
The main problem in the current gaming environment is that the respect is long gone and the ****play has run rampant over the last ages .
I really applaud the effort to bring "fair play" back. Im not so sure though what the best course of action in doing so is - I believe Drixx and Anri when they say they want more fair play in the future and their actions will tell if they really mean it. But without the integration of AMA as one of the few Top kds left this wouldnt be possible.
So i hope all parties can sit together at one point and fix this. Apologize to each other and state what kind of play is a NO GO. THe farming out from last ages, the CF breaking, the "Dibs" should be discussed.
The last point from Elit to restore the situation similar to what it was before the deal break sounds somewhat "fair" to me.
The one good i see from this GB is the possibility to unite in what is considered "Fair play".
Stop the insults and work together......(something i have tried several times after AWars - to sit together and agree on some basic rules of engagement , like no doubling, hitting into war and NAP breaking eg...)
No one likes Simians, is this why we are having cheerful laughs about AMA and i have lots of allied KDs that we would NEVER leave hanging and backstab, infact we die for them any day. Maybe you can learn something about this from us. You say GB x2 and dealbreak x2 as if its 4 events, when infact you screwed up 2 times as badly as we and others needed to GB you. Stop ****playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I am not sure what your problem is, because you know what you done was GB worthy and you expected that dealbreak was your best chance to crown. So you went ahead and did it then dont cry wolf when we GB you. Not entirely sure how your mind works. You dealbreak and **** on other kds and expect to not get it back?
(this is why we are laughing btw, because you dont seem to understand you dont get to do what you want.
Then you act like a big baby when we police you for trying to steal the crown while everyone was watching.)
You really think kds allied with you? The reason all these kds are working together is AMA :). If you think people are dying to be your ally you are delusional.
Not talking about the KDs we are working with in the fair play thing. Does allies and friends have to be in the t10?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
And yes, we are working together because of AMA, what you think when you ****play and dealbreak to crown out of it? Would we stand and watch, yes, i think you guys were arrogant to think no one would do anything.
And this is why KDs that does not even like each other very much come together to GB you, because it is what is right!
Are you also saying that dealbreak+wave is not GB worthy?
I wonder how you guys want it, because you said it was, then it isnt? hmm
+1 broQuote:
Originally Posted by tetley
Match up? CR had all advantages over pyro before, but now pyro gets free pass to grow from GB, and war CR on even size. How is that fair ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
So true :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Age 57 Sanctuary and Havoc worked together for Double hostile us and take us down after we won vs ABS in 1vs1.
Age 58 My on ally decide to leave alliance for get war with another kd we just notice and after it Farmed out to SWEA+Simians Farmed out natural and after it put all blame on me. Both BB and Pew Pew refused to help simians but its only my fault for not save you? For not help Simians in 1vs1 relation with SWEA you deal broke us and joined in GB. After this not worked well SWEA deal broke us too for secure his n1.
Age 59 small no name ghetto after talking for 2 weeks how they will give jihad EJ they decide to WD last moment for shape chart because hate BB. Before it KD we had CF for over half age decide to break CF and raze us for shape chart because dont like us. Before It Pew Pew farmed out to Rage for shape chart too. Do you see how many kds did it. All remember age where Simians made same and farmed to HoH for shape chart too. And now you dare to talk me for fair play. AMA was only kd past few ages keep play fair age after age and get every time ****s play in return from ppl cant compete proper.
Age 60. RPP power played with refuse any CF for prevent us explore or pump and we was forced in b2b wars all age. I was asking CJ for half age about make fair CF deal and all time he rejected us with argument: its not smart let AMA explore and pump. Sure this play is fair and honorable. Asked CJ for help in 2vs1 if havoc double hostile. Again he didn't promise us help. How its stand for fair play? If you believe in fair 1vs1 you will promise and help if some one interfere like this.
In short last 4 ages AMA was **** play all time and no one cared about its cost us loss fair earn age crown past 3 ages. Now when we return with same KDs involved to pull ****s past few ages decide its not fair:P
Why shouldn't we war CR on even ground?
Because before we waved CR they was much bigger, more cows too. Why Pyro need to get now to war on even ground? Because you joined in GB and deal broke us? Its reward for your **** play? You had chance to war AMA 1vs1 if you promised help vs 2vs1 but your reply was: we have CF. You had CF with us too but you broke it and joined GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
Well do be honest, I'm not part of the "Fair Play" council, yet do as I'm told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
But common sense would indicate after the stunt you pulled, it was agreed CR would war us on even ground?
Keep in mind you alone caused this chain of events!
Im sure they "pay" for your help. Its like "tax" them for have his right to war 1vs1. No different from what they did to Simians ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
I think after all this is said and done, the community would rather see war for #1 on an even ground?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You couldn't play fair and now you mess it all up and think your view holds any weight?
I'm sorry your sneaky gamble for the crown did not workout, but I don't hold your say in regards to the crown this age.
You rolled your dice and .. oh well..
And you refused a CF to with Pew Pew last age if I remember correctly. That doesn't make it a power play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Among some of AMA's "fair play" achievements are:
Age 58: AMA hit's in to war. AMA lets Simians out to dry (admitted to by Soul_Hunter).
Age 59: AMA aggressively feed on a small ghetto (admitted to by others who I forget) and to which in another thread going at the moment Elit mentions something the lines of "imagine the unfairness the bottom faces".
Age 60: Deal breaks.
This is by no means a complete record, others please feel free to add to this.
Delusional much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You know still that you made a deal behind our back and told Simians we will wave SWEA on hour x, you had sold us out behind our back. We basicly gave them to you to crown the age, because all you needed to do was to wave them to crown Elit. They were in the open, you told us you would, you gave us a date when you would do it etc. We had all ready warred them one time and showed them we could farm them for as much acres as thier WW bonus was worth and more science then that. So we had no problems fighting SWEA, but good allies as we are we GAVE them to you because we wanted our allies to crown. All you had to do was wave them Elit. But instead you for some very unknown reason made a deal behind our back and put a knife in my back. There is many people even in your KD that beleive what you did to us was wrong, it costed you the crown man.
The crown was yours. I still cant understand up to this day why you sold us out like that. Then you can say all you want we got farmed etc, it was all because of your crazy decission, it costed you a GB, it costed you the age, it costed you the crown. Just like you make another irrational decission late this age to dealbreak another KD and wave them, it is also a direct result of losing the crown. If you had faught Pyro instead you still had a chance, what makes you think you are above the rules of not fighting from disadvantages, you do always gotta sit on vantage point to make war? What you did was wrong back then and what you done now is wrong also. Yes, this is the second time we GB you, why? Because you played dirty!
You cant really say we are dirty because we restore rules in the top, rules that you try to bend and break as you wish and when you wish. No one played AMA unfair, you been very arrogant and cocky all age about how you can do what you want and win over anyone, you said you had no goal to crown and you wanted B2B warring etc. You have no rights to complain, nor do you seek out help by anyone, instead you trashtalk every single KD on this server for events that happend 5 or 20 ages ago or 2 ages ago, it does not matter, the only one that was ****playing here was you and you getting GBed for it. If CR had waved you into war or into conflict with Pyro i swear to you that we would have helped you GB them and we would not have been the only KD to help you with that. You just made the wrong move and its time you own up to what you done.
You were also offered ways out before we started to GB you, more then fair things that would still have kept you in the crown race, but you rejected these offers. Plz dont come here and cry wolf.
We cfed Pew Pew last age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
Age 58 WE hit in war yes but its was aranged war from 2 kds with not expired CFs. This kind hits was done in past from other kds before us and done after us again. Example ED and Fratzia last age.
Age 1-60 all big kds feed on small kds. Are you going to say its only us doing it?
Age 60 after we being **** play all age we did what you left for us. Dont **** play and you wont get it.
I explained you many times. Mansor made it clear if we wave them we will get GBed. You told me its ok, you have plan and you can deal mansoor. After it plan not worked and you put all blame on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I was wrong to tell you tax because it seems it stuck to your head. What CR did was wave Simians for acres we could not defend because our CF ran out. It did not make us very happy, but we had no chance to fight them back. We also did not want to be douches and make 100% learns and landdrop in such ways. Because we truly want to make changes in the top for the better. If they took to much land from us, yes i think they did, it was not fair, i hope that **** will get better in upcoming ages as well. But stop using tax man, it was my bad to say tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Lets please forget the past!
If I here Prot pound on his chest one more time about this "achievements", I'm going to vomit!
You think the dude saved the life of a baby.
Oh that's right, hes good with numbers :P
Then how can you complain about CR threatening you with a 2vs1. You claim it is acceptable for anybody who runs. You went so far as to actually do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You CF'd Pew after the war. Not before it. And you forced them war you after war. Isn't that back to back wars? Something you were just complaining about as being unfair?
How about if YOU don't **** play others, YOU won't get it.
dude, there is loggs from you and mansoor talking behind my back, you make a bank deal and sell Simians short to get raped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I trusted you dude!! Infact, we were fighting all age to try and have AMA crown and we did what we always done for our KDs and tried to block and FSU to help the top KD progress towards crown. We left SWEA wide open for you. I dont care if pewpew make some threats and Mansoor told you they would wave you, it was all part of Mansoors plan to make you paranoid enough to sell Simians short. It was very weak of you to buy into that BS man. I trusted you, but you cant seem to understand how trust between allies works and rather backstab them. You need to understand that Mansoor tricked you so hard man when he infact was biggest farm on the server for you and your easy way to crown. Its just sad stuff man!
What you did was for the best of your kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Like its new to be "taxed" to avoid an action.
Sheesh, we gave a heap away last round.
This is also so very strikingQuote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
AMA just need to let go and come back next age fresh with a new view on things and play fair.
If others steps out of line i wish they help GB the one who does as well.
Its funny how people from ur own "fair" alliance are saying this whole thing is a setup for pyro to get the crown. cJ already said that he was the one that organised the gb. Here is the way i see it:
-Havoc goes to every kd asking for help vs us (fact)
- Pyro does the math and since they were thinking we gonna raze the land said - hey we get the crown and we wont bother interfering in this mess.
- Simians are led by Anri.... No comment there
- Nesta and cJ find out we aint razing land ... hmm thats not good 1v1 vs big ama is impossible. We gather people up for GB
- Pyro and the rest tell havoc they will help if bla bla bla bla - Pyro gets 80% chance for crowning at least (100 if possible).
- AMA offers pyro a deal where pyro will get 50-60% chance to win the age + fair play will be restored - pyro said no (why get 50% when we get 80-100% from GB)
- GB starts and all show their true collors: Rage is acting up for their team and holding a grudge about us destroying them in 1v1, pyro goes for their crown riding the fair play horse, Simians are just monkeys, Havoc is trying to make points with the alliance hoping to go in next age, ex rage, havoc, siminans and pyro players from deep in the ghettoes are called out as well.
- What will happen next - pyro will pump up, war dmg-ed havoc and propably win the age by powerplaying and alliance help. GJ Nesta cJ u deserve this CROWN and this crown alone - no other way to get it so im down with u.
Cuddoes to Pew Pew for not going for this retarded GB. Earned my respect (cant even believe i say it :D).
It's funny how your ally doesn't seem to be leaping to your defense. This "It's funny" game is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by guard14n
Who exactly is claiming that? All I have see is a few posts from (former?) members of Jerks. Which as far as I am aware is not a part of it?
Our CF was not expired. Notice cant be send legit. CF have other terms prevent send notice. If we have any hostile or war start before it they simple cant give notice and need to keep his deal. Our situation in past was complete different. WE gave legit notice after our CF expired and kd we notice had no any active relation. Havoc told us: if you have other plans cancel it. We are waving. Its clear break our deal terms. Its our right to have our plans and start other hostiles/wars before CF expire and they cant complain and demand notice was send. Its not how diplo work and its why Havoc paid now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
Thanks to you guys, this crown is tainted, so does not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by guard14n
You complaining why?
You guys ****played CR and hit them with there pants down with the hopes a thread "dealbreak" would allow you to keep it.
This talk about you need to monitor a kingdom you have a CF with just in case they start to pump is crazy!
Excuse me Mr AMA, we noticed your nwpa is increasing, you going to ****play us?
When will you learn that you do not dictate what happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Everyone has agree to a fair solution to this in the end. Havoc and Pyro will war to try and gain *some* credibility back for this ages crown. If AMA did not GB we would all all happily sat down to try and discuss a fair way to find a suitable winner. You lost all these rights of a say when you deal broke.
Agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Same going to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
No Havoc said what they PLANNED to do. It would have been a totally "legit" 2v1. They were saying "resolve us before you wave Pyro. If you wave Pyro and we wave you it is your own faults."Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
EG on the tick change of all CF ending:
Havoc waves AMA
AMA waves Pyro
Pyro Waves AMA
AMA would have caused the situation. I know it is ****ty but you of all people know that when there is a crown on the line people want to win it. You should have asked Rage/Pyro/Pew to help you/havoc/pyro come to some agreement on the stuff mentioned instead of deal breaking.
I believe AMA only deal broke as they thought the top was too shady themselves and would not help each other gb. As you and Realest was discussing that no one had the "balls".
We RESOLVED it. Pure Havoc failure. Can try same again and see if its going to work for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Well thats just great, now we have the justice alliance who can make decisions about which 2v1 is legit and which 2v1 is not legit. Which dealbreak is legit and which dealbreak is not legit is the next step. After which you have accomplished absolutely nothing apart from being a hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass