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What the game doesn't need: KDs that believe their conflicts are sacred but should be allowed to hit out when convenient. KDs that when are caught with their hand in the cookie jar accuse the cookie owner of being a cookie thief too. A continued pattern of childishness from this ghetto layered with hypocrisy... it needs to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Neither did Sheister do anything wrong but apparently DD lost it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Yea, if DD was more adult this thread would never existed ����Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
Grow up Korp, we've all had random plunders from kingdoms marked "hostile - STFO", it happens every day, not sure quite why our doing it has caused such a stink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Also not sure what it has to do with you. We have handled diplo with the target kingdom (despite your claims that we are incapable of such) and the matter has now been resolved.
That's how grown ups deal with things ;)
What would you know about being an grown up abi? You respond with people sending you messages with razes.
And there is a difference between kingdoms tagged and kingdoms actually in a hostile. But then again you have shown that you disregard others conflicts again and again.
Abi?
I don't get WTF you are talking about quoting Korp and talking to me.....
Why do you act like people never hit in/out of hostile? Those things happen all the time, it doesn't even make the forum. We weren't tagged during the hostile, others were free to hit us and we were free to hit out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Move on. Things are settled between DD and Emeriti. No idea why ghettos are acting like police around here.
This is hilarious consider the approach DD had over a sent message. :) But I understand, its not a ghetto that sent you a messages its the number one kingdom that you messed with this time obviously you arent as cocky as you were against Sheister. You are just glad you got away as easy as you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
Emeriti didn't start the message with ad hominem. Emeriti demanded explanation and listened. Sheister belittled our province and blackmailed. Tone matters in diplomacy, and this is something that even a crown kingdom understands despite their position in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
But they are tons of those messages in Utopia every day shouldnt matter to bunch grown ups like DD? And lol, blackmailed? lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
So you'd be okay with a kingdom hitting you and running to war to avoid retribution? You'd be okay with your opponent in a war getting funding from outside kd? You'd be okay with a smaller ghetto sullying your name in public after you were generous to them in private, accusing you of the crimes you were admittedly guilty of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
You're looking for extortion not blackmail. Your tone was obviously the different one here since you were looking up not down. Feel free to post the dialogueQuote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
First of all, we expected retribution. You notice how we didn't cause a havoc for the oow retribution razes from Emeriti?Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
If those two kd cooperated together, then no. Is that what happened here?Quote:
You'd be okay with your opponent in a war getting funding from outside kd?
Yeah, that is exactly what happened in this thread :rolleyes:Quote:
You'd be okay with a smaller ghetto sullying your name in public after you were generous to them in private, accusing you of the crimes you were admittedly guilty of?
The inbox has been cleared, I have no record of my dialogue with sheister or Bishop, but let them attest to how respectful I was on our initial "confrontation".Quote:
You're looking for extortion not blackmail. Your tone was obviously the different one here since you were looking up not down. Feel free to post the dialogue
huh? Your KD was douchy from the start. What are you fishing for here?
You expected retribution, so you knew it was chit play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
What level of cooperation is okay for you? Let's say your enemy took 100 million from Emeriti before declare, if Emeriti didn't do anything until after your war finished is that okay? How much retribution is enough for you to be okay with your enemy doing this to you? Where is equilibrium?
Yes, it is. Your people came in here and said oh like Emeriti has never hit out of hostile to fund their war. After they agreed not to turn you all green that's some bull chit.
Share your dialogue with Emeriti, we've seen yours with RoO. It'd be interesting to see how different you act when the kd is bigger not smaller.
...no? We plundered a crown kd, so we expected hits in return. Simple as that. It's not an acknowledgment of chit play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
We took a risk by plundering Emeriti right before the war, considering that we already have RoO on our ass on top of the main war. Emeriti razed into our war twice as retribution. No previous arrangements were made between Emeriti and DD, and even Emeriti acknowledges that nothing we did was particularly wrong. Why don't you talk to Binar directly if he is cooperating with DD in any sense.Quote:
What level of cooperation is okay for you? Let's say your enemy took 100 million from Emeriti before declare, if Emeriti didn't do anything until after your war finished is that okay? How much retribution is enough for you to be okay with your enemy doing this to you? Where is equilibrium?
Highly doubt that Binar took any offense to that post. kestrel's post wasn't intended to tarnish Emeriti's reputation. If that's all you got from her post, I can't help you.Quote:
Yes, it is. Your people came in here and said oh like Emeriti has never hit out of hostile to fund their war. After they agreed not to turn you all green that's some bull chit.
I will post these instead -Quote:
Share your dialogue with Emeriti, we've seen yours with RoO. It'd be interesting to see how different you act when the kd is bigger not smaller.
sheister's original PM:
"I will freaking quad raze you if you don't CF my my Kingdom to Year 5 with a 24 hr notice. That is punishment for your province being a moron for trying to abduct against a sage in early age. Of course she gets no scientists! 50% abduct protection! Get a CLUE! So, accept those terms, or anticipate that I will make your lives a living hell."
^Starts with a threat, does not want to hear explanation, pointless name-calling, zero attempt at diplomatic talk.
Emeriti's PM:
"No idea why your monarch decided to plunder us from war, but we will start razing now and we wont stop until we get some sort of explanation that makes sense"
^No name-calling, no childish attitude, open to explanation and aims for diplomatic solution to this.
Compare the two and think very hard why we responded differently to each.
Both look fine to me. I guess I have a thicker skin.....
When did the internet become this kinder gentler world? So sad....
Tigress was a moron. abduct attack on a sage in Yr 2.....simply moronic. Even now it makes me laugh thinking how dumb that was.
So hitting into war for retribution is okay? Interesting the double standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
You avoided all the questions in the second section. Please answer, I really want to know where the lines are for you.
The fact that Binar and ASF had to address it means there was offense taken. It's a chit move, liable even. I've seen KDs razed for less.
I see both extorting you, (or blackmail to you lol) sheister is actually teaching you more. Also the message that was sent prior to sheister's there was of a different tone than you took with the lovely bin bin
Well yes BoH. Note that I give them an option before action "accept terms or else"
Emeriti said "we are razing you until you give us a reason to stop" and I presume they did just start razing until the reason was provided etc.
I mean, I guess if I had just started razing first? I guess mean words are worse than just razing.....
Papa Legba
The difference is that you dont have anything against Emeriti but you had against Sheister. Neither of you would raze Emeriti 3 times due to a messages either. You like us to believe it was due to a difference approach in diplomacy but in fact it was due to different state of power. You could bully Sheister cause hes being much smaller playing in a ghetto but you cant bully Emeriti cause they are way above you in anything.Quote:
Compare the two and think very hard why we responded differently to each.
But sure, adults truly acts as childish as the people they meet. thats the true call sign of being an adult. :D :D
What message sent prior to Sheisters? His message to Tigress was the first communication between himself and ourselves. Not sure what "prior message" you're referring toQuote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
We had nothing against Sheister when he sent his threats to Tigress either. He was just another province on the server.. just another random target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
What we would or would not do against a bigger kingdom is irrelevant. We understand that when you're the smaller side in a conflict, you either have to bend your neck a little or get hurt, something Sheister failed to realise when he started making threats against a much larger kingdom.
Had we behaved towards Emereti the way Sheister and the rest have behaved towards us, I would totally expect them to raze us to the ground without losing sleep. That's the part of the game you guys seem to have trouble understanding.
So you had nothing against Sheister yet you decided to raze him three times after he sent that message? Then difference is though that Emeriti can handle a person like Sheister without getting their panties in a twist. The whole issue wouldn't exist to begin with.
But it was you who failed to realise the consequences of your actions is what started this mess. You couldn't handle a message from a random province in a ghetto. You talk a lot about being adult and grown ups but so far in this conflict you haven't show much of anything that would indicate you are an adult.
Abi,
If I had gotten a moronic hit like the one from Tigress, but from a player in Emeriti, One of the first things is that in Emeriti IRC, there would have been tons of harassment showered on the moron who did it. The second thing that would have happened is that when I sent my message talking big and demanding a Yr5 24 hr notice CF, they would have laughed their asses off and then accepted it saying "WHEEE!!! FREE LAND Feb1 Yr5! WAR!!! LOL!" and prepared for war then OR proposed something else. They would not likley have gone to 3x raze to prove some point (especially when I had not hit them at all and especially if they were at all concerned about their cows.)
Emeriti would never have found themselves in the situation you landed in because they know how to play, they know what a termed CF is and why and that it is used to schedule conflicts, the list goes on and on.
Rofl, and they would not have justified their 3x razing because Tigress was pregnant...... haha...
This is such a stupid post I had to comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Yeah I know you don't have a province but it's still stupid stupid stupid. You think nobody in a hostile plunders outside the target? Are you really that out of touch?
Risky move where they plundered though, normally it's smaller kds that get the visits.
Those people that do can't expect protection from being hit into their hostile and/or war. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't respect hostiles of people who respect their hostilities with another kingdom themselves.
And as usually you are missing the point by a mile or two. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
How short one must be to so consistently have things go over their head. Do you want to answer part two of that question that Legba is avoiding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Which is how we got here after all. No one should respect this ghetto's hostiles or wars anymore. And anyone that wants to see change in utopia should raze them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
I paint with such a broad brush for them yet still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
DD had to take that 'risky' chance I guess. Probably a bit afraid of stepping on a landmine again. And it isn't that risky. Emeriti could have turned them green, but it'd have lasted just a few days.Quote:
Risky move where they plundered though, normally it's smaller kds that get the visits.
Whereas we are going to do it for a few months and disband them in the process.
Steeeeeeeeel. Hell F yeah!
No Einstein, We razed him three times after he continued to mouth off at us against his monarch's explicit instructions to cool it. His monarch lost patience with him and ok'd the razes after which a CF was sent and accepted. As I said, we had nothing against Sheister prior to his messages. The whole issue wouldn't exist if he wasn't such an arrogant ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
If you say so Korp, getting tired of repeating myself now. Would you accuse a top kingdom of the same? If one of them hit us and we responded with threats to raze into war and make their age a nightmare, would you expect them to "do diplo" and "handle it" or would you expect them to show us that you can't mouth off like that against someone 5x your size?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Don't even bother answering Korp, it will only be more drivel
Stop inventing facts Abi. I sent the message as stated by Legba. Then you wrote an extremely long and condescending message to me about how I was small and there was nothing I could do and just had to take it. Then I wrote back "ROFL". You wrote back more of the same long winded stuff. I wrote back "LOL". This continued for a few messages with me posting nothing but "ROFL" or "LOL". So stop with the "mouthing off" line of lies. Then after another "LOL" or "ROFL" you razed three times. At that point it had been one hit from your kingdom, three or more nastygrams from your kingdom and the same number nastygrams +1 from me. Then you added three razes onto that and went away, I bided my time and then razed into your war. Those are the historical facts up to that point and STOP inventing things. As for Arwen approving things, she did not approve, but she was nervous and afraid of getting into a double hostile because the kingdom was starting with another kingdom at that time. Don't oversell it. History has now born out that you would not have respected the hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
Ummm, no read the thread above Abi. I clearly described what larger kingdoms do in that situation. They laugh and plan to use it to their advantage. It is that simple. At the time all this initiated we were in range of each other. Had you not been a moron and accepted, we would have had a war Feb1 Yr5, but instead we got this because you had to be prideful and worry about Tigress's pregnancy.Quote:
If you say so Korp, getting tired of repeating myself now. Would you accuse a top kingdom of the same? If one of them hit us and we responded with threats to raze into war and make their age a nightmare, would you expect them to "do diplo" and "handle it" or would you expect them to show us that you can't mouth off like that against someone 5x your size?
Don't even bother answering Korp, it will only be more drivel
**UPDATE**
[14:16] <sheister> hey, when you get a chance
[14:16] <sheister> because Abi likes to try to throw this in my face.
[14:16] <sheister> Did you "authorize" them to raze me three times?
[14:16] <sheister> before the CF?
[14:16] <sheister> no biggie if oyu did
[14:16] <sheister> just would love to shut her up
[14:17] <ArwenAgain> absolutely not
[14:18] <ArwenAgain> I told her to send me a cf. that I did
[14:19] <ArwenAgain> I might be able to find the whole communication about this for you before age ends
[14:20] <ArwenAgain> but I really don't want to get caught up in this. I'm not into utopia feuds
[16:17] <sheister> I know
[16:17] <sheister> I have insisted you did not before
[16:17] <sheister> I just wanted to ask
[16:18] <sheister> :D
[16:18] <ArwenAgain> :D
Sooooooooooooooooooo lie some more Abi. Every time you do it, we just keep exposing you again and again and again....
I see you don't include any info about her calling you insane? Or that you put her kingdom in jeopardy. But then I suppose you will claim that's all lies too Sheister.
Sender Queen Arwen the Skeptic of 11am Lunch (x:x)
Recipient Queen Abigail the Blessed of Dungeon Diva (x:x)
Subject Re:Okay let's sort this
please send me a cf so I can keep this lunatic out of your war. then I'm going to get rid of him. quick solution till I can get him gone - thanks
Yeah.. she asked me for a CF so she could deal with you. And 12 hours later you defected to another kingdom to continue your little crusade.
Now off you trot and check with Arwen there's a good little boy :)
So this makes a blatant lie okay?
"You said I could kill your dog.
No I didn't.
Well you said you didn't love it."
Who doesn't love their dog?
Awful people. But abi kills dogs, fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Oh Abi,
How you do love to deflect when you get caught. Lunatic? Perhaps she called me that in correspondence, but then we have been chatting it up and hanging out all age long.... hardly what one would do with a lunatic.
But I suppose someone who has been caught lying as much in this thread as you have might have deeper problems that make that difficult to understand.
Oh well....
You see, in reality dear little chikidee-poo, I agreed to hang with her until either that kingdom entered war or yours entered war, whichever happened first. Yours entered war first, so I defected to mess with you. Simple as that. Got rid of me? Hardly what she asked of me, but that is okey doke, you live in your fantasies that already have been proven for the lies that they are and that you have admitted are lies...
btw, what prescriptions ARE you on?
Don't get personal.
I only posted what she said Sheister.
You told Arwen you would stick around and help her out. You sent a message to my steward saying you wanted to stay and help them out, and now you admit freely that you lied in order to gain breathing room to build so that you could continue your little grudge.
Have to say it's a little rich to be accused of lying by someone who has been spouting BS since this whole thing started. Move out of your glass house before you throw the next one Sheister.
I guess you would punch a kid as well when they were mouthing off against you cause thats the adult thing to do... We have seen Arwen deny those accusations and we have a good relation with Arwen and her kingdom. You on the other hand have a history of lying so.. But you are so keen about talking about being an adult a grown up, but still you just show such childish attitudes "He started it!!111!" lol. Do you solve issues like this IRL as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
We wouldnt been in this mess if this was a top kingdom. They dont have the interest and they have the diplomactic skills to avoid issues like this. My kingdom in its many shapes have had many run ins with "top kingdoms" and it always ended with them CFing us. Thats the difference between you and top kingdoms quality and not a ***** personality that takes everything personally.
Lol