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You claim this as if it is due to you being fair. Admit it, you loved the fact that your competitors were being occupied whilst you could continue to run toward the crown. I don't blame you as I think the state of the game atm anyone would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
How nice of you to not vulture them after they was GBed.... Very classyQuote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Lets not forget that Debauchery did dealbreak as well and previously cheated so bringing that up is pretty voided since Debauchery themselves are inclined to dealbreak when its suits them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
ama did vulture. They hit into war for 12 hours so they could get acres with no threat of retal. The other hits into our wars that age were by abs due to our dealbreak, which we deserved and had 4 provinces raze killed. The other was swea for the same reason ama did, because we chose to war someone else and they knew they could get away with it. I see no reasons the leaders of two kds can't choose to end their cf whenever they wish if the feeling is mutual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Also lets not forget how you threaten to wave into Debaucherys eowcf just so you could create a "hostile" But i guess threats are okey :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I wanna see this hit 100 pages
edit: what did i win?
The GB has been hard and without mercy. I'm quite sure most would agree, that the point has been proven and it's time to figure out how to get past this and start over with a clear set of rules and knowing if dealbreaks are to occur in the future, ohers will step up and right a wrong. And as such that should also apply if anyone dealbreaks AMA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
So you're saying we deserve it regardless of the specifics of each situation, even after we've been punished for the dealbreak, which we've owned up to. ama and swea had no desire to punish us when it happened. They did not join when abs was razing us. ama and swea tm into our wars because they wanted to crown and knew we had no allies to make them pay. We dealbroke rage one time(Which we thought was justified at the time for them dodging us. Really they worked us in the deal and we should have just accepted it. We were wrong). We were punished accordingly but our dedicated haters love to hammer us over the head as if one dealbreak and one meaningless war win justifies people doing whatever they want to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Its not as if we will respond lightly when they spit out threat after threat and does not quite understand what they even did was wrong. We have given them several ways out in diplomatics. We did even before GB started on them. They reject it all, we keep hitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjofdenmark
We said 200 times we know what we did is wrong. The problem is that aftr your initial gb that should have been enough we want to go after u and rage, and that's the reason you continue. Not some fairplay bs. You don't want that to happen, despite the fact there is no ****play in going after someone that gbed u and gave you button. Keep up the bs.
Yes its show if you have honor or not. Why i will vulture them after GB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Did We vulture havoc past 2 ages after loss his war vs BB?
Did we Vulture Sanc age after Djordy left?
Did WE vulture this age Fratzia after all intra kd problems?
Did WE go round 2 with HoH last age and secure age win with it?
I can give you many examples for AMA play honorable. Sure we did 1-2 bad moves past few ages but overall we are playing very reasonable.
For example did Simians have honor? Lets look similar situations.
3 ages ago BB win over Havoc. They gave up age, You vulture them for free 20-30k acres.
This age, pew pew loss his war from AMA. You jumped them being alot bigger and vulture.
Im sure there is many more examples for Simians Honor Play.
AMA had to leave the conflict with less acres on their banks than what they gained by deal breaking Havoc which they did not agree too. We also needed everyone involved in the GB to receive CF to clear relations and THEN AMA could go after who they wanted. We were not going to move on with AMA have max meters to Rage, Simians and Rusty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
No, I am saying you shouldnt cry about somebody else playing dirty while yourself have no issues of playing dirty when it suits your. You see you are ****ting on Elit for him hitting into wars while your kingdom hade no issues at all breaking a deal? This is what we call Pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
AMA got 5 PKed. Sure we wont drop any acres from any prov.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
What you need has nothing to do with fair play. THat's it. If u wanted AMA do drop the gained acres on the cows you shouldn't hav pked. But you are phony. Dealbreaking is bad and caused us the gb, GB was also bad and cause the options of us to declare. When you do something you accept what is coming. WHen you started you said goal is to take AMA out of crown race, now you say it was to drop cows, thn to get cfs for all, you make up goals and rules everyday, cause you know... you have no honor and no fair play :). Keep the bs!
All I'm saying is, that this ain't WW2 aftermath. We don't need to kill off thse who dealbroke but point out a deal was broken and act on it in a fair manner. The last 100 pages has more than proven, that no KD in the top has a clean sheet regarding ****play and dealbreaks. We acted as a whole on this ****play cause it was major and will do so in the future as well I hope. That does however not mean that we should act on all the other dealbreaks and ****plays AMA har dine until now, cause then they are fully intitled to call on fairplay and smack the rest of us with the excat same fairplay card!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
As such I'm quite sure the AMA gang will agree, that this has gone far enough and are realy to some do fair diplo. Deal with this one dealbreak and act swift and fair about it ... and move on. Get back with the game with the knowledge that all know ther eis a new set of rules that applies to ALL.
If you want to spew out lies thats not a problem because we are getting used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
We took 15.000a from Havoc, why? Because they was our enemy and we had warred. It was not excessive nor unreasonable to take 15k acres out of them.
Regarding pewpew, they had at 2 different ages hunted us, non stop and had unlimited free waves demand on us, therefor we treated them the same way until both parties agreed we should play fair and not play like that. What comes around goes around.
We played fair and legit for last few ages and not you or anyone else can take that away from us.
Who needs to change is you, not us
I'm not crying about anything. We are trying to do better and I believe if you speak to most who have dealt with us since our transgressions we have been fair. The main reason I brought it up is because ama believes they should have been allowed to war pyro. We believed we should have been allowed to war pew. I see many similarities. We were wrong for dealbreaking and the fw. We have done wrong. We're sorry. In my opinion this is all moot anyway because I do agree that most of this "fair play" stuff is only done by kds when it suits them. It's all about who you can get on your side and getting away with whatever you can. A big part of this is how much people like or dislike you. For various reasons many dislike elit and proteus, and that grew to be a problem for ama. I don't particularly like them for my own reasons but I'm not gonna keep razing them. We participated in razing ama 3 ages ago for the "dibs" situation, punishment served and we have moved on. Utopia has become a game of intrigue and and manipulation(at the top), not a game of war. Which really sucks in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You are still in the race with cows, throwing threats around, there is no credibility that you will not use your cows for example when CR/Pyro wants to have thier fight or use them against everyone that took part in make justice towards you. The banks need to be down. You guys brought this into your own KD, there is no way in hell we will bend over because you whine about GB. You either A) make terms or B) the GB continuesQuote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
AMA lost all thier rights to have demands on how their KD should look like and what CFs and targets they should have the moment they choose to piss on the server and think they can dealbreak and get away with it to steal the crown. Its very simple to me.
Justified or not, regardless of "fair play", ama have pissed off a lot of people and are suffering the consequences. That is reality. They are a skilled kingdom though and hopefully after this punishment ends it will be the end of it. I would love to see an age where skill determines the winner not public relations.
Don't worry Anri, your "prize" is on the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
we never thought we would get away with it, and we weren't trying to steal the crown. we were simply stopping cr from winning. I don;t get why no one seems to understand this, we gave up on the crown as soon as we dealbroke.
you can stop putting ridiculous demands on us and punishing us out of fear for what you think we might do. The fact that the gb continues is total blind fear of a kd with 5 dead provs. The big bad fair play alliance. useless. Keep on fighting the good fight guys.
So now it is not anymore about fair play and us out of crown race, now it is the fact we pissed ppl off :).
Anri either u r dumb or you play dumb saying we have a chance to crown with 7 provinces dead or below 1000 acres. The reason the gb continues is the fact we want to war you and Rage. End of story. We offered a deal where we give up N1 and cf all but you and rage u declined :). Nothing else to say.
Also the logic keeps being flawless "We want your cows down but we will let Pyro and Rage farm them while we pk your core, yeah!" :D
Yes imo that is the real issue. The crown is part of it because no one wants to see someone they don't like win anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Then it has nothing to do with fair play :). The fact i don't like you does not make ****play from m towards you fair.
AMA took advantage of an kd who werent pumped...while they knew they where preparing for them
that kd was holding the current number 1 land position and AMA abused that situation by striking them with a wave and gaining like over 25k acres with it...before the current ceasefire between both kd's ended...only because AMA said>>>Pyro and CR would GB them 2 vs 1
This is not only a slap in the face of CR but also a slap in the face of Pyro....if no actions where taken.
Why did AMA let both CF's end on the same?...because if you do that you leave everything open.
surely nice for AMA if target A doesnt suits you at that time...you can say hey we are going to be busy with target B.
For me its logical that target A has something to bargain with than...like hey we would like to back off so you can fight target B...but what do we get in return ?...a longer cf deal ?...some extra acres?...because it was AMA that has chosen to let both CF's end on the sametime...and CR saw the biggest threat at that time in AMA and not Pyro...only reasonable they would have gone after them to secure their number 1 spot in land.
So basically AMA acted upon something that didnt happend yet...while CR was willing to make a deal?
Sadly that is the way an otherwise fair action turned out and the excat reason why we don't tag 'fairplay' anymore! This was meant as an action against dealbreaks, not an action against AMA and all they have done over the past many ages. Cause many others have done quite a lot of ****play themselves over those ages as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Utopia unfortunately is not fair. Avoiding being disliked is important. If there was a skilled kd with multiple good looking girls that gave nudies they would have huge advantage. ****play is risk/reward. swea was rewarded with a crown. ama has not been as fortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Age of no cf ftw. Cream will rise to the top.
How much **** has havoc, simians, and rbl//fake+wannabe rage done and got away with! much more than ama, again with the hypocrisy....you all should deserve to be gbed by your own "fair play" standards you are trying to enforce. Go police yourselves first, after you can police others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
So true!!! ... sadly so will a floater :PQuote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
While not knowing the specifics of each situation I agree that hypocrisy is most likely rampant. The difference is the majority are more pissed at ama at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Its not about pissed. Really ti is they are not confident they can win in fair run.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
That opinion is valid when it comes to cr/pyro. I'd say the other kds participating is because they don't like ama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Well, not quite. The other KDs are continuing to participate because they still feel AMA is a threat and would lose if left to fend for themselves. Contrary to what people have stated, the alliance's objectives are no longer ethically-focused, if they even were to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
I see much talk of how much AMA deserve a (continued) GB and very little talk of what this 'Fair Play Alliance' has decided amongst themselves in terms of end game once the GB has finished, what the fair play criteria are, what the agreements are between themselves and how these things are going to be enforced going forward.
Is this, perchance, more than a coincidence.
You may be right but who cares about who finishes 4,5,6 etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare_
Its main reason why we have support include from ppl don't like us much. Tag "fair play" is joke and piss off rest ppl. No one is stupid to believe its about fair play :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tapout
No fair in continues GB, damage done.
The GB goals of what to archieve and when to stop should have been agreed before starting.
1). Make AMA unable to get crown?
2). Punish AMA for past crimes too?
3). Kill of 1 or 25?
4). Gain CF's for all involved in GBing them age out?
5). Knocking them out of top10?
6). Making sure Pyro/CR can fight for crown without AMA interference? (Making AMA agree to this?)
7). Forcing AMA, not to war more this age?
8). Forcing AMA to sign CF'ers for ages to come? (lol)
Ive said it many times, i dont agree to dealbreaks, and a punishment should be given, but there are ways of giving it and this has started to look more like "powerplaying" over a KD thats already down, and with no set goals as far as ive heard in this thread, its turned into a free for all (Lets keep hitting them so they cant fight anyone anymore this age, which is not exactly a fair punishment as the punishment should fit the crime "ie, keep them from crown as thats what they wanted").
Can't really end until all parties have a CF, or don't want one. Unreasonable to hang someone out to dry after they helped you.
It's pretty much 1/4, I think from that list, I think.
The fair play concept was okay to begin with. You more or less even said so in the beginning. As things progress into a not fair fair play, it seems a bit more obvious that this is not only about that one dealbreak. I'm not sorry for taking part of the first part of this gb, since it's fair in my book, that this specific action could not be overlooked. I am however no way sorry that we don't tag fair play anymore, since that concept as been tainted just as much as the crown has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit