AMA Mean Bullies vs. Sad Jerks Age 62 - ROUND TWO??!!

I must agree with Palem on this one. Its not about one age, this might be the 4th time it happens.
That moment when Elit lose his head and goes a bit over the line and ends up losing the crown.
In this case, its a bit to early, his chances is still good, but history will repeat itself.
AMA is thier own worst enemy.

With that said, i think its fair to say in the top that if you lose the game mechanics allows you to go at the same target again.
There is no auto cease fire for the rest of the age. But putting the blame on FB, FG or +4h hits and what not is just being silly.
AMA wants Jerks acres, they probably wanted thier acres for a long time and looked at them like one of thier best chances to crown if they pound them first, knowing they have a weaker team them AMA and might do some strat errors. Its sad to see when they cant admit, we want your acres, we dont care rly if you had max gained or not, you have people in range and you have acres to take and you are not our friends, we will come for your acres. Its not about +4h hits.

and my friends, this is why AMA is such douches, they try to dip and whine like babies when its dead clear from the start.
This is what gets under the skin of people and this is what helps AMA finish second every age.

As much as I don't like AMA I don't think they are really doing anything wrong here. Lame as it is, if the boot was on the other foot, reading some of Boss' / pendals chats, Jerks would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.

anri i dont see any ama member complaining. its jerks who post loooong stories. ama member are just lol-ing now :) how can u complain if someone serves his a** to you well lubricated on a silver plate?

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Originally Posted by Vivic

anri i dont see any ama member complaining. its jerks who post loooong stories. ama member are just lol-ing now :) how can u complain if someone serves his a** to you well lubricated on a silver plate?

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I would likely, err not likely, i WOULD do the same thing to Jerks. The point is that Jerks was AMAs chance all along and making excuses to get round 2 is what is silly. Game allows this kind of play and its been like this forever.

If the move itself will pay off is a risk calculation, short term, it will pay off, longterm it might not. Its still the best chance AMA have this age and ofc they should go for it without a doubt. Just cutt all the BS and do it. I dont even see the need for hours of diplomacy.
AMA and Jerks have a past, you want to be douches to each other and gain every single acre you can from a conflict or stop the other KD from getting any more acres.

The fact that AMA is lol-ing like you say just makes you look worse.

This cant be compared to pewpew giving you a cease fire or any other conflict either, you want acres and if pewpew would have had the time and felt it was proper move they would have came for a second round early age vs ama also. That move had probably been bad for both pewpew and ama and this is why it never happend. In this case ama has a chance to gain acres and its a solid chance they just have to take no matter what happend in the past and it sure as hell got nothing to do with +4h hits.

This is why you may be lol-ing at Jerks but the rest of the server is lol-ing at you guys.

Whatever is been said about me/boss/tetley, truth is that we would have cfed AMA for free if we have won and of story. So this is the reason me and our players do not understand why AMA are so greedy after they showed they are stronger and beat us in war. Maybe it was my mistake I didn't ally with several kingdoms before start of age to make sure there wont be situations like this.
Anyway it is clear that AMA will take what land they want the relation system allows it. What we can do is to make them pay for it in some way as much nubs as we are :-)
I did go mad last night at cello, maybe a bit overreacted since it is just a game but hell their attitude is bad and noone can prove it else.
And to Anri words - I totally agree here, AMA just can not admit they are greedy and want more land on the top of the 15k they got from our war..... pathetic isn't it.
Well they are stronger this age ( i hope this is the last age of this game when I see 4.5k players in the survey) so I guess we live to it.
Question is what other kingdoms in top would do about this when it is clear AMA try to force farm their way to the top?
As last attempt I call in all friends on the server -Please start hitting/razing ama if we gona sink lets bring them with us :-)
ANd yes I call in for help cause AMA leaders are bullies and behave like **** so they deserve the razes and the hits on them, thanks to all friends willing to help.

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Originally Posted by Pendel1

Whatever is been said about me/boss/tetley, truth is that we would have cfed AMA for free if we have won and of story. So this is the reason me and our players do not understand why AMA are so greedy after they showed they are stronger and beat us in war. Maybe it was my mistake I didn't ally with several kingdoms before start of age to make sure there wont be situations like this.
Anyway it is clear that AMA will take what land they want the relation system allows it. What we can do is to make them pay for it in some way as much nubs as we are :-)
I did go mad last night at cello, maybe a bit overreacted since it is just a game but hell their attitude is bad and noone can prove it else.
And to Anri words - I totally agree here, AMA just can not admit they are greedy and want more land on the top of the 15k they got from our war..... pathetic isn't it.
Well they are stronger this age ( i hope this is the last age of this game when I see 4.5k players in the survey) so I guess we live to it.
Question is what other kingdoms in top would do about this when it is clear AMA try to force farm their way to the top?
As last attempt I call in all friends on the server -Please start hitting/razing ama if we gona sink lets bring them with us :-)
ANd yes I call in for help cause AMA leaders are bullies and behave like **** so they deserve the razes and the hits on them, thanks to all friends willing to help.

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My god you're one patethic person. Go back to being a mediocre midtier kingdom if you cant handle the politics at top and the powerplaying. What they are doing is pretty reasonable, you pissed them off now they demand acres for a CF, that as well its quite common practice.

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Originally Posted by Anri

I would likely, err not likely, i WOULD do the same thing to Jerks. The point is that Jerks was AMAs chance all along and making excuses to get round 2 is what is silly. Game allows this kind of play and its been like this forever.

If the move itself will pay off is a risk calculation, short term, it will pay off, longterm it might not. Its still the best chance AMA have this age and ofc they should go for it without a doubt. Just cutt all the BS and do it. I dont even see the need for hours of diplomacy.
AMA and Jerks have a past, you want to be douches to each other and gain every single acre you can from a conflict or stop the other KD from getting any more acres.

The fact that AMA is lol-ing like you say just makes you look worse.

This cant be compared to pewpew giving you a cease fire or any other conflict either, you want acres and if pewpew would have had the time and felt it was proper move they would have came for a second round early age vs ama also. That move had probably been bad for both pewpew and ama and this is why it never happend. In this case ama has a chance to gain acres and its a solid chance they just have to take no matter what happend in the past and it sure as hell got nothing to do with +4h hits.

This is why you may be lol-ing at Jerks but the rest of the server is lol-ing at you guys.

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actually i agree with your last posts - b2b is really lame and smacking the weak always disgust me personaly. but the truth is that jerks showed disrespect to ama in many cases so what happens now is reasonable. you are right also for the lost chances this age - but its not a problem. lets say ama members are quite used to be 2nd :)))

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Originally Posted by Pendel1

Whatever is been said about me/boss/tetley, truth is that we would have cfed AMA for free if we have won and of story. So this is the reason me and our players do not understand why AMA are so greedy after they showed they are stronger and beat us in war. Maybe it was my mistake I didn't ally with several kingdoms before start of age to make sure there wont be situations like this.
Anyway it is clear that AMA will take what land they want the relation system allows it. What we can do is to make them pay for it in some way as much nubs as we are :-)
I did go mad last night at cello, maybe a bit overreacted since it is just a game but hell their attitude is bad and noone can prove it else.
And to Anri words - I totally agree here, AMA just can not admit they are greedy and want more land on the top of the 15k they got from our war..... pathetic isn't it.
Well they are stronger this age ( i hope this is the last age of this game when I see 4.5k players in the survey) so I guess we live to it.
Question is what other kingdoms in top would do about this when it is clear AMA try to force farm their way to the top?
As last attempt I call in all friends on the server -Please start hitting/razing ama if we gona sink lets bring them with us :-)
ANd yes I call in for help cause AMA leaders are bullies and behave like **** so they deserve the razes and the hits on them, thanks to all friends willing to help.

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TLTR

short story: AMA are beating us badly, PLEASE RAZE THEM GANGBANG THEM, FAIR PLAY!!! :)))

I been allied to Jerks for 30 ages or something, lost the count or i am not in touch with how quick the ages pass by.
With that said, we wont interfere because we would only intefere when its safe to say that AMA breaches some kind of deal or powerplayed in a way that we would feel should not be done. All love to Jerks, but there is not much that can be done here.
If AMA would drop us relations we would FG/FB/Amnesia and hit thier low end to slow them and make them weaker for a future top fight they might have. But making any move such as GB and help out is uncalled for. I dont back away when i see a need for something and if a breach is clear, like when they dealbroke CR. But there is nothing to go on here. This is just normal top play. My problem is mostly with the BS they say to justify it when it should been clear from the start they will come for round 2 if there is more to profit from a conflict. Just do what you can to slow them down. Jerks just aint ready yet.

Palem knows how this is done with slowing others down, i still remember when i farmed out TFC to get the smallest chance of crowning and in the end had to beg Palem to stop opsing us. Make sure that AMA is sitting ducks that lose explore pool and time/economy and you have all ready won on your own Pendel1.

GL

Maybe Jerks understands now why RBL razed down :P

Compared to what AMA offered RBL for a CF last age, this is quite reasonable of AMA. We was offered:

"25% of your land or a war with no guarantee of a CF afterwards (could of B2B)". AMA refused to give us a guarantee of no b2b hence we chose our own demands which ultimately I believe cost AMA another crown.

Regarding the excuses for round 2. Wasnt it said already that there could be a CF for land to prevent round 2? Aka quite obvious we want their acres? Its just that the past stuff makes a difference in the amount i guess.

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Originally Posted by Anri

I would likely, err not likely, i WOULD do the same thing to Jerks. The point is that Jerks was AMAs chance all along and making excuses to get round 2 is what is silly. Game allows this kind of play and its been like this forever.

If the move itself will pay off is a risk calculation, short term, it will pay off, longterm it might not. Its still the best chance AMA have this age and ofc they should go for it without a doubt. Just cutt all the BS and do it. I dont even see the need for hours of diplomacy.
AMA and Jerks have a past, you want to be douches to each other and gain every single acre you can from a conflict or stop the other KD from getting any more acres.

The fact that AMA is lol-ing like you say just makes you look worse.

This cant be compared to pewpew giving you a cease fire or any other conflict either, you want acres and if pewpew would have had the time and felt it was proper move they would have came for a second round early age vs ama also. That move had probably been bad for both pewpew and ama and this is why it never happend. In this case ama has a chance to gain acres and its a solid chance they just have to take no matter what happend in the past and it sure as hell got nothing to do with +4h hits.

This is why you may be lol-ing at Jerks but the rest of the server is lol-ing at you guys.

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Cello is soft with demands! Shoulda demanded way more!

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Maybe Jerks understands now why RBL razed down :P

Compared to what AMA offered RBL for a CF last age, this is quite reasonable of AMA. We was offered:

"25% of your land or a war with no guarantee of a CF afterwards (could of B2B)". AMA refused to give us a guarantee of no b2b hence we chose our own demands which ultimately I believe cost AMA another crown.

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

Cello is soft with demands! Shoulda demanded way more!

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I dont think that the bad blood is the reason for all of this. If the blood was so bad, the revenge would have been executed 2 ages ago, starting age 61. I think you very well know Jerks dont give free acres, thats why the demands were lowered to try and get them safely while being able to start using the pool right away.

I think auto-demanding 8-10% acres from a KD you just warred and beat is pretty aggressive move. I think you would be offended by it too if the roles had been reversed.

For the sake of diplomacy and reaching your intended goal of getting the acress "hassle free", a CF option for 1-2 weeks post-war to allow Jerks to readjust sizes would have been the way to go. Its easier to cover the acre loss if you can spread it out evenly after getting back on your feet.

That being said, i have no stock invested in either kd, but it is semi-saddening to see 2 former allies being so aggressive towards eachother.

Dont have time to reply to all atm but will give short answer to MrCurious .

If Jerks did like normal KD WD on min time here wont be any problems and we was ready for give them CF. Problem is they decide to play it "smart" and gather his army for max gains after min time on our top land provinces and expect after it we will let them go. Here is no reason for let them keep acres we can take back. They had option for set it easy way but told us: we prefer to fight. Now this will end after second war end. I don't have any intention for CF them for any amount land. Ever if they offer me 70% from his land...

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Originally Posted by Elit

Dont have time to reply to all atm but will give short answer to MrCurious .

If Jerks did like normal KD WD on min time here wont be any problems and we was ready for give them CF. Problem is they decide to play it "smart" and gather his army for max gains after min time on our top land provinces and expect after it we will let them go. Here is no reason for let them keep acres we can take back. They had option for set it easy way but told us: we prefer to fight. Now this will end after second war end. I don't have any intention for CF them for any amount land. Ever if they offer me 70% from his land...

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This is BS, see my other posts. Elit would have came for the land no matter what so Jerks max gaining is nothing out of the ordinary. "If jerks did like a normal KD and WD on min time". Well, thats just what they did, what any KD normaly does. This is where the BS comes into play.

No one buys that you would not have wanted thier acres afterwards anyway.
Dont put the guilt and blame on Jerks and try to justify it by various reasons.

Just say it like it is, you want thier acres. End of story.