[QUOTE=MorbidAngel;15052343]you are ****ty player sir. Deal with it.
****ty player because why? You tell me oh great one.
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[QUOTE=MorbidAngel;15052343]you are ****ty player sir. Deal with it.
****ty player because why? You tell me oh great one.
Who ever said I was a Monarch? Think your reading what you want to read in my posts. I never had the time to devote to monarchy. And Me saying I suck was facetious as a TOP 50 kingdom to the TOP kingdoms was considered GHETTO. Do you get it now? Damn, people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
So I have to do away with my holier that thou attitude when posting in a cheaters 'greater than thou' posting? And here I thought it was the OP that had the ego problem. lol And my holier than thou attitude was brought out by people making claims that I cheated as well which is bull****. Think I have a right to respond to that don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Sure there were ages we had a full kingdom for the full age. But as the player base numbers dropped so did the number of players in our kingdom from age to age unlike the cheating trading/recruiting top. WE DID NOT CHEAT TO KEEP A FULL 25 PROVINCE KINGDOM AGE AFTER AGE, YEAR AFTER YEAR like the top kingdoms did. And where in the hell did I ever say I was a monarch??!! I wasn't. So stop with that crap already.Quote:
What, you had all that time to build a kd and you dont even manage to keep 25 provinces? I guess there is something wrong with you then and your so called "skills". I never been in a kingdom where all provinces manage to login in at the drop of a hat, it takes planning, to do such things. Neither have i been in a kd where all provs were traded, there was usually a core of people that played toghter and learned to know each other. But I wasnt even talking about competing with the top, i said a decent kd, a decent kd used to be around top 50 ish.
Quick questions for you... Do you deny that this stuff went on and was considered 'acceptable' by the top kingdoms? If so then what the hell are you arguing with me for? A hard on? Really?
And for the record we made several strides into the top 50-30 and as high as a top 25 kingdom. But inevitably we would run into some gang-banging alliance and get knocked back down to the top 100 with double/triple hostiles and all kinds of fun ****. Even at the end of our run as a kingdom we were still a pretty damn good kingdom. Joboloob was worried about leaving and creating his own kingdom because he enjoyed his stay in our kingdom so much. So no, we did not suck... only in the eyes of the cheaters did we suck.
Thank you Palem. Finally someone with a large enough brain to get it. And for the record I haven't said anything about it playing by the rules still limiting my success or me being a monarch so I don't know where they come up with that stuff. What I did was post in a ego filled post about how they broke the rules to become these great kingdoms of the past. Plain and simple yet all I get in response is "PROVE IT'. 'YOUR FULL OF ****', 'YOU SUCK' etc etc etc... and try to say that I AM LYING. LMFAO!!!! We know who is spilling the BS around here and it sure the hell is not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Actually I believe YOU butted into my response to MorbidAngel.... Sucky metal band btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
So you can say "you guys cheated" but you don't have proof (and proof is impossible to get), yet if we say it we are "spilling the BS". Please explain how this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
I put it to you that you cannot claim that any kingdom was innocent of cheating. You can only say that you, as an individual, did not cheat.
Seriously, the discussion about trading is still going on? It's only interesting for people who want something to blame for their own failures. The great kd's were great for other reasons than trading. Trading does not equal auto-success, and never did, and as such is utterly uninteresting in this discussion. If you want to talk cheating you should talk about xlogging and farming, because if you have proof that the mentioned great kd's were doing that, it would actually mean something.
Fates Warning, I'm guessing people deduce that you're a bad player from the fact that you're trying to make it look like the only reason you and your kd couldn't compete was because of trading. Having played for as long as you claim to have, there is no reason for you to not have done well at least one age even without trading. Have you? You're all over this thread screaming about how the great kd's are not great because of trading. For that point to make any sense, you need to show why trading was such a major factor. I can agree that it's a major factor when it comes to longevity, but longevity is not something that matters to me at all. A great kd depends on dedication and great leadership. Most kd's don't have the latter, and so fail to produce the former. If you can't respect people for being skilled, creative and dedicated, solely because they broke a retarded rule, then you're never gonna convince me you're not here because of envy.
Okey, you never said you were monarchy at least that should be achievable after spending so much time in one and same kd. You never had the time for monarchy but you seem to know everything that goes in your kd, dont go too well hand in hand.Quote:
Who ever said I was a Monarch? Think your reading what you want to read in my posts. I never had the time to devote to monarchy.
The difference is that you think you are better than anyone else cause you claim that you didnt cheat (without proving anything) While us cheaters we freely admit that we cheated. But honestly even without cheating I would be better than you.Quote:
So I have to do away with my holier that thou attitude when posting in a cheaters 'greater than thou' posting?
Why is that BS? You dont seem to have any problem furious claim that every top kd cheated without providing anything more than your word. No you dont have the right to respond to that when your own attitude isnt better at all.Quote:
by people making claims that I cheated as well which is bull****.Think I have a right to respond to that don't you?
Playerbase dropping is a quite new thing, consider you have had plenty of years when there was a overflow of players.Quote:
Sure there were ages we had a full kingdom for the full age. But as the player base numbers dropped so did the number of players in our kingdom
If you have read what Ive wrote i provided several times where i admited that it was socially accepted to trade for us. So there was no real need to ask. The discussion of this all was there neither you or Palem has provided any proof that top kds cheated. Palem is a bit more reasonable than you but you, you're a totally different matter. You're like a rabid dog.Quote:
Quick questions for you... Do you deny that this stuff went on and was considered 'acceptable' by the top kingdoms? If so then what the hell are you arguing with me for? A hard on? Really?
Pretty damn good kingdoms dont get tripple hostiles and dont get GB by alliances either, pretty good damn kds even with 20 provs knows how to handle themselves and should at least have pretty good diplomats.Quote:
Even at the end of our run as a kingdom we were still a pretty damn good kingdom
Thats kinda weird attitude dont you think, that l imits you in every way, you cant say that artist sucks cause you aint artist yourself, you cant claim that politician is worthless cause you aint one yourself. You cant say that football team sux even if they did perform a lousy game cause you dont play football yourself etc etc.Quote:
What I'm saying is, unless you're doing the same thing, then you have no right to cast judgment about other people's skills.
All we did was claim that you cheated and all we got i respond was rude remarks, you see, you cant prove that any of us cheated as much as that you cant prove that you didnt cheat.Quote:
What I did was post in a ego filled post about how they broke the rules to become these great kingdoms of the past.
You consider my not being in the top as being a failure, but I don't. I had(and still having) a ton of fun and enjoyed learning about this game and how to play it. There's more to the game than finishing #1, or in the Top 10, or top 50, or whatever bar you'd like to employ. I really hope you haven't lost sight of that with all of your playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Well shucks...*blushes*Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Where did I say anything like that? I haven't said anything about charting being a requirement to be considered a great kd. As obvious an example of a straw man that I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Either way, your view is extremely narrow minded. What stops the #1 kd from doing what other kd's are doing? The only difference between them and you is that they were able to get #1 too, and you were not. It's like if you play guitar and only know how to play 2 chords and still claim that you're no less of a failure than someone who can play everything. Obviously the other guy can play those 2 chords too, and probably just as well or even better than you.
This thread isn't about how happy people are with their experience in the game, it's about which kd is the "best", meaning we need to try to find objective ways of comparing different kd's. Which kd had the most fun can never qualify as something measurable and objective. Even with measurable things such as chart placements, it's hard to compare different kd's as they played in different times, and which chart is worth more? The greatest kd would be the kd that can beat any other kd that ever existed in a war, and that were also able to win any chart they wanted to. But we'll never know that, and can just speculate. What we do know is that they could do everything you have done, and what made them better than you is that they could do more than that too.
It's ridiculous how people think that placing outside top 50 is somehow an accomplishment because you "had fun and learned a lot". Why the hell would we still be playing this game if we weren't having fun and actually getting better at the game? The difference between you and me is that I don't try to claim that just because I think my kd didn't cheat, that somehow makes the kd better. I've played in kd's that didn't trade (while it was illegal), and most, if not all, of them didn't trade simply because they had no one to trade in. Even if they had been trading, they would've still sucked. As I said earlier, trading is not a guaranteed success. Remove trading completely and some kd's would still be a lot better than the others. Playing on a low level for your whole utopian career will never impress me at all, no matter how much you say you loved it. Dissing something you've never tried is just lame.
Oh, and before you pull the "you're an elitist" argument on me: I've never played in any of the kd's I'd consider to put on a "best" list. I'm not defending something because I was a part of it, because I wasn't.
Chill dudes, chill.
Well there is a difference, the #1 kd did actually cheat to get there if we are strict with the rules while Palem claims he dont cheat. Its possible that the #1 would been able to do it the hard way as well but they took a short cut.Quote:
The only difference between them and you is that they were able to get #1 too, and you were not.
Well, depending on how things look like it can be quite an achievment. If you just start out with you being the only active person and slowly train the kd and weed out bad players etc is quite hard work.Quote:
It's ridiculous how people think that placing outside top 50 is somehow an accomplishment because you "had fun and learned a lot".
Anyway, too tired to respond really, nn.
Top kds naturally chart. They're better and whether they intend to make the charts or not, they typically end up there, especially with today's game with such limited kds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You mean in terms of enjoying the game or the actual playing of the game? If you mean in terms of actually playing the game, then the thing that stops the #1 kd from doing what I'm doing is the fact that they want to win. I'm not nearly active enough to be in a kd that's contending for the nw/land crowns, but these seem like stupid/obvious points so I'm guessing you ment in terms of enjoying the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Quick question though. How does "I'm not a failure because I enjoy the game" translate to "Top kds don't enjoy the game."? That seems to be what you're getting at and it's not all what I said so you can go around throwing out accusations of straw men all you'd like, but you just did it yourself there.
That's a terrible example. I don't even play the guitar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
The thread started out like that yes, but it soon turned into a big fuss about not-top kds and trading and such. But sure, let's get back on point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
^I agree with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
The whole purpose of the game is to be as enjoyable of an experience to the user as possible. Beyond that, the game offers up no universal achievements as far as I'm concerned. The only achievements left to gain are what makes you proud of your kd, which really boils down to 2 things: Improvement and Sustainability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
If a kd of 7 core members 12 barely-actives that typically ends the age ~150th or so ends up ranked 80th, that's a hell of an achievement for them and they should be proud of themselves. If the same kd ends up ~80th again, they can still be proud of themselves because they kept up their mark of they set for themselves last age. Where the line ends is when improvement ends. If they constantly just end up at 80th again, it's no longer an accomplishment to rank there.
Yes, a kd like this will never be considered a legendary kd and yes, their achievements aren't as glorified as being #1 in the world, but just because it doesn't stack up to the top kds achievements doesn't mean they were a failure.
That's like calling a child a failure because he got an A in math, but he's not taking college level math, so he's still just a big failure.
Lots of people play this game after it's no longer fun for them and has become much of a job than an escape. It's not uncommon for people to be playing the game but still not find it fun anymore. They don't quit because of habit and/or feelings of obligations towards their kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Please show me where I said anything even remotely close to that. Please do. The closest thing I've said that could even be remotely misconstrued as perhaps saying that was when I said something likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Luc
But even that is quite a stretch to say that I think my kd was better than top kds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You're usually one of the better posters on these boards Luc but you're starting to get ridiculous here.
No one is saying trading is a sure road to victory. All I'm saying (I can't speak for Fates) is that trading provided a definite advantage over kds that did not trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
That quote right there is lame. Things I can't diss:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Murdering people
Doing hardcore drugs
Throwing kittens/puppies into wood chippers
Raping old people
Pissing in a babies mouth when it cries.
That list can continue for quite some time. The point being, you can discuss anything as long as you do in fact have some idea of what you're talking about.
YOU'S AN ELITIST!Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
But really, I think we should hug this out...
*offers huggles*
Yes, but as long as it was a short cut, it only saved them time. If it only saved them time, you should only exclude longevity from their accomplishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Yes, of course it's hard work, I've tried it myself. Hard work isn't an accomplishment in itself though. Some people work hard their whole lives, but never really get anywhere. You can admire the effort, but you wouldn't really call them great. In the end what I was trying to say is that this whole focus on trading vs non trading is irrelevant, because the kd's that deserve being labeled great are the kd's that accomplished something through their skill and dedication. It is valid to point out that their longevity is not as much of an accomplishment if it came through heavy reliance on trading, but it doesn't take anything away from their skill. I'd argue that in most cases, those great kd's were great because of a handful people, and that those handful people could've done great without having the exact players they did have, although it might've required more work on their part. They were great because they had people with considerable skill in the areas of leadership, diplomacy, organization and strategy.Quote:
Well, depending on how things look like it can be quite an achievment. If you just start out with you being the only active person and slowly train the kd and weed out bad players etc is quite hard work.
Anyway, too tired to respond really, nn.
Depends on how you define top kd's. I'd be inclined to highly value skill at warring when trying to rank kd's. Some of the kd's that have really impressed me through the ages have been really good at warring, but couldn't be bothered to bore their way to a top position on the charts. Not because they wouldn't be able to do it, because they chose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Seeing as how the thread is about the "best" kd's, using the "i'm having fun and enjoying myself" argument means you are in fact a failure, because we're judging you based on objective measurements meant to gauge who is the greatest. There's a difference in being a failure in the race for greatest kd ever, and being a failure in realizing your personal goals. I never claimed you were a failure in the latter definition, and I never would, because it's not my place to judge that.Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You mean in terms of enjoying the game or the actual playing of the game? If you mean in terms of actually playing the game, then the thing that stops the #1 kd from doing what I'm doing is the fact that they want to win. I'm not nearly active enough to be in a kd that's contending for the nw/land crowns, but these seem like stupid/obvious points so I'm guessing you ment in terms of enjoying the game.
Quick question though. How does "I'm not a failure because I enjoy the game" translate to "Top kds don't enjoy the game."? That seems to be what you're getting at and it's not all what I said so you can go around throwing out accusations of straw men all you'd like, but you just did it yourself there.
Is it terrible because you don't play the guitar?Quote:
That's a terrible example. I don't even play the guitar.
The purpose of the game is what you make of it. It differs between different people. There are universal achievements in the form of charts, and comparing yourself against other kd's by warring them. Some people don't value things that require them to compete, and so they turn to doing the best of they have instead. Whatever floats your boat, really.Quote:
The whole purpose of the game is to be as enjoyable of an experience to the user as possible. Beyond that, the game offers up no universal achievements as far as I'm concerned. The only achievements left to gain are what makes you proud of your kd, which really boils down to 2 things: Improvement and Sustainability.
Again, back to the original topic of this thread. If we're trying to rank the best mathematicians in the world, a kid that managed to get an A in high school has not accomplished something that would make him an obvious choice for the greatest mathematician, right? It can still be a great achievement for him personally, but...Quote:
If a kd of 7 core members 12 barely-actives that typically ends the age ~150th or so ends up ranked 80th, that's a hell of an achievement for them and they should be proud of themselves. If the same kd ends up ~80th again, they can still be proud of themselves because they kept up their mark of they set for themselves last age. Where the line ends is when improvement ends. If they constantly just end up at 80th again, it's no longer an accomplishment to rank there.
Yes, a kd like this will never be considered a legendary kd and yes, their achievements aren't as glorified as being #1 in the world, but just because it doesn't stack up to the top kds achievements doesn't mean they were a failure.
That's like calling a child a failure because he got an A in math, but he's not taking college level math, so he's still just a big failure.
But you know it's BS to make any claims about having more fun than anyone else.Quote:
Lots of people play this game after it's no longer fun for them and has become much of a job than an escape. It's not uncommon for people to be playing the game but still not find it fun anymore. They don't quit because of habit and/or feelings of obligations towards their kd.
Fine, that was actually more directed toward Fates Warning, but I should've indicated that.Quote:
Please show me where I said anything even remotely close to that. Please do. The closest thing I've said that could even be remotely misconstrued as perhaps saying that was when I said something like
But even that is quite a stretch to say that I think my kd was better than top kds.
You're usually one of the better posters on these boards Luc but you're starting to get ridiculous here.
And, again, the question is whether that advantage only saved them time, or actually was what made them great. Fates Warning makes it very clear that anyone who traded can never be seen as great, and I really disagree and think that's a ridiculous opinion.Quote:
No one is saying trading is a sure road to victory. All I'm saying (I can't speak for Fates) is that trading provided a definite advantage over kds that did not trade.
Exactly, as long as you have some idea what you're talking about. And I don't think you actually know what it's like to play in a really serious kd (and even less lead such a kd), so you shouldn't be judging people who have. And this once again goes back to the "i'm having more fun than you" argument. I see people (read: Fates Warning) make it without having a clue what people in top kd's get from their experience. I see people ridicule top players and calling them no-lifers, clearly thinking what they're doing is ridiculous, and that it's not nearly as "fun". All of that is just BS.Quote:
That quote right there is lame. Things I can't diss:
Murdering people
Doing hardcore drugs
Throwing kittens/puppies into wood chippers
Raping old people
Pissing in a babies mouth when it cries.
That list can continue for quite some time. The point being, you can discuss anything as long as you do in fact have some idea of what you're talking about.
If you're offering a hot girl to deliver the hug, I'll accept.Quote:
YOU'S AN ELITIST!
But really, I think we should hug this out...
*offers huggles*
I'm more inclined to value warring ability too since it's what I play this game for and can relate with more easily than netting. However, the best warring kds, if they are truly the best, compete with the best competition, and that's generally found on the charts. Again, better kds always manage to find themselves higher on the charts even if they aren't bothering actually trying to net, at least most of the time. I'm not saying the best kd will always be top 5 or anything like that, but they should be somewhere on the charts. Otherwise they're competing with people below their skill and that's simply not worthy of greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
I was making a joke. Apparently it missed =[. Should have used !'s lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Luc
That was essentially what I'm saying. Outside of simple enjoyment (the purpose of every game), this game has no actual purpose/goals aside from what makes you proud to be a part of your kd. At least that's how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
I'm certainly not saying that getting an A in a high school math class puts you in the running as a great mathematician (or even a mathematician for that matter). What I'm saying is, I don't think he deserves the title of failure just because he doesn't stack up to people like Newton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Getting out of the example, I just don't like the idea of calling everyone who isn't the best a failure. I just see that as a very negative view of things and that's not a line of thinking that I accept. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully ok with the distinction of the very best because they certainly deserve it for their accomplishments, but I'd much rather see it as 'The Best' and 'Everyone else'; not 'The One winner' and 'All of the other failures'.
That's all me though.
I wasn't trying to say that I have more fun than others as like a general attempt at trying to be 'better' than a top kd at something, was just saying that some people play this game even after they stop having fun with it and more often than not, playing the game at a higher level tends to drain the fun out of you a quicker than casual playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
Understandable then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
I think that's a bit more of a complicated question than you're giving it credit for, as far as if trading was just a time-saver. I'd rather not give a response to that without really thinking that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
As far as Fate's point, while I don't agree fully, he does have a slight point. I certainly would never say that kds like Pansies or Brute Force weren't great. Strictly looking at their play on a kd-level, you would be a complete moron to say that they weren't great kds. However, if you're a purist like me, a kd was supposed to be a randomly collected assortment of people working together for a common goal and those great kds were not random. However, your point of whether or not trading was just a time-saver is worthy of note.
If it was just a time saver, then issue be like Micheal Phelps smoking pot. Yea, he was smoking pot, but it had nothing to do with how awesome of a swimmer he is.
If it wasn't a time saver, then the issue is more like Lance Armstrong's steroids scandal. Yea, he was a great cyclist, but his accomplishments are really soiled by his steroid use.
While I admittedly have never played in the top, I don't think my assumption on how top kds work is too inaccurate, but then again that's prolly because I still see top players as people, whereas lots of other, lower players seem to think they're just mindless robots that simply follow commands. I have no reason to believe that top kds don't run similarly to how every kd I've been in has run, only with everyone caring so much more, and much more knowledge floating around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
As far as how much fun they have, hell, if we break into the top 40 I feel pretty damn good about me and my kd. I can only imagine the joy that a kd gets from being in the very top or how much joy they feel from winning a crown, especially if it's their first. I have no problem admitting that they have fun, but again, go back to my point of people still playing after the fun has subsided and you can see a nice picture of a top vet who's won more crowns then they can count on a hand just sticking around because he wants to stick with his kd rather than play the game. I just don't know if winning your n'th crown brings just as much enjoyment as winning the first. That's something that comes with the experience so I can't say.
If you close your eyes I could be the hottest girl you can imagine...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
winning crowns is always fun because while the method is tried and true, circumstances are different every age
Wow you guys are all noobs for taking Shockwave's thread and turning it into the utterly pointless thing it is today.
In case you read this shock, we all miss you man, hopefully you will pop on irc one of these days. We have a new kd going and its going pretty well, got a spot for you whenever you are ready :) Hows the love life btw, you married yet?
Also contrary to therock's statement, why would shock mention mercy...mercy is a ghetto, always was, always will be. Yes 6k DEs can still get razed for 5% by tiny provinces for suiciding on ED cow.
It's actually pretty fun pointing fingers and calling other people cheaters, no wonder people frequently do it.
The formula is pretty simple really, just make sure you got the korean on board..Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
*edit* forgot to post the Bishop post.
Because you of all people should know that the cheaters have admitted as much themselves in these forums over the last decade. Enough said. So stop the crap Bishop. Jesus man... it's like talking to a freaking brick wall.
Exactly Bishop. I can claim that I never cheated. I can also claim that my kingdom never supported cheating. The same can not be said of the old school TOP kingdoms. Period. End of story.
Wtf... seriously dude? I suck (your words not mine) because we tried to play the game the way it was supposed to be played. We did not cheat to fill our kingdom slots with the most active/leet players as you yourself did. We did not collect kingdom accounts and control who came or went out of our kingdom etc etc etc... Yet you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coke
Not being capable of playing this game without attempting to stack the deck in your favor means that YOU suck. Not me. So gtfo.
And I am angry because people choose to play stupid and instead of admitting what went on try to deflect and bash the truth. Truth apparently does hurt the cheaters.
People do it to point out in threads such as this one that these 'Great Kingdoms' were not really so great. They were cheating. Pretty simple. No 'fun' involved in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coke
Sorry, you're the one playing the dumb here. Or... there is a possibility that, maybe you don't simulate at all. Because, even if you can see that in the past, when trading was illegal, same kingdoms were in top as now, when trading is legal, which means trading does not have a deciding factor on the fact that a kingdom is top or not, you still jump up and down, like a retarded monkey, yelling "trading! trading! cheater! cheater!".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
So, your posts make it look like you're too obtuse to understand that, regardless the circumstances some kingdoms ARE THAT GOOD AND YOU SUCK COMPARED TO THEM. Yes, I can see that the truth hurts and you might have a short circuit, because you entered a parrotish loop, saying same thing again and again, thus I apologize for the fact that you suck, but I can't help you in that. That is all you can do and... period.
You keep whining, blaming others for your lack of success, CHEATERS OMG, I CANT PLAY BECAUSE OF THEM. I see you complaining about the **** all the time, why don't you look into you and your kd instead and work on getting better (no, not better cheater, don't bother with that remark). Man, you have 475 posts, most of them were whining. I see that as a problem, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning****ty player because why? You tell me oh great one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MorbidAngel
But ofc, when someone lacks arguments he starts to yell. Keep yelling sir, keep yelling, I don't mind you being banned. :)
Still this discussion and still ABS among them who mentioned? you guys sucks truly!!! you cant kill an alliance who have been around since the dawn of time?!? just sweep his legs!! he'd never get up!
Is that more or less nub than a 9k prov leaving 90k def and thinking the other kd would just WD anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Nope. Not once have I claimed that. All I've done is point out the truth about cheating when these cheaters claim how great their kingdoms were. The lack of success stuff has only been posted in response by simpletons such as yourself that clearly lack simple reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by MorbidAngel
475 posts and most were about cheating. Yes I see the problem. A culture of cheating acceptance in this game. Pretty sad huh. And you FAILED to show me why I am a ****ty player o great one. BTW: Never have I been banned. Can you say the same?
And you lack simple reading comprehension. I did not now or ever say that kingdoms now are cheating. And if you don't believe illegal trades and account collection by top kingdoms in the past did not effect the game and who was on top then you are simply a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfDGrey
I guess to the rest of us its quite obvious, even with all those years in the same kd you never achieved anything worth mentioning.Quote:
And you FAILED to show me why I am a ****ty player o great one.
Talking about simpletons, you been yelling "cheater cheater cheater" but whenever someone asked you to provide some proof you have failed to deliver any kind of proof.Quote:
The lack of success stuff has only been posted in response by simpletons such as yourself that clearly lack simple reading comprehension.
So do you, he never claimed you said that either.Quote:
And you lack simple reading comprehension.
You are truly retarded or you cant read, cause nobody in here has ever denied that they were cheating. They question your ability to judge them cause you have no proof, you just assume cause they were in top they must cheat cause that how it must be!!Quote:
And I am angry because people choose to play stupid and instead of admitting what went on try to deflect and bash the truth.
Point out what truth? All you've done is spew out your tunnel vision garbage about how the great kd's were only great because they cheated. It's quite obvious that few other people agree with you, because they know that the kind of cheating (trading) that these kd's were actually doing wasn't what made them great. They were great because of their skill and dedication. Trading was merely a way of speeding up the process of getting the right players into the kd, something that would've been possible to do without cheating at all, although it would've taken more time. Cheating is not what made them great, and you've failed utterly at showing anything resembling the opposite. People who keep reiterating the same crap without having anything to add to the discussion are the real simpletons (read: you). You're talking about stuff you have no clue about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
There has been a culture of cheating acceptance in the way that trading used to be socially acceptable. It has been legal for ages now, and most of your posts are from after the trading system was introduced. Basically you're whining about cheating because you're compensating for your own lack of success. You desperately want someone or something else to blame, because you can't accept that the problem is you. There is no reason at all for you to not be in a top kd today if you're so good. No one has to cheat to win with the current rules. You don't have to trade illegally, you don't have to use resource or intel farms, you don't have to xlog. You don't even need to fake war if you don't want to. I know this for a fact, because I've actually been up there on the charts without breaking a single rule.Quote:
475 posts and most were about cheating. Yes I see the problem. A culture of cheating acceptance in this game. Pretty sad huh. And you FAILED to show me why I am a ****ty player o great one. BTW: Never have I been banned. Can you say the same?
I.e. you can't blame cheating for your lack of success, but you still are. That makes you pathetic, and that's what's sad in this thread. Sure, there are still cheaters in the game, I'm not denying that. The point is that they're not better than anyone else. Cheating is a not a requirement, and is actually a lot more risky today than it ever was in the past.
Oh, and btw, I've never been banned, ever. Never got deleted a single time in over 10 years of playing.
Keep the discussions civil please.
Did those top kds suddenly stop trading once it was legalized? I'm a little confused on the point here. They still trade and if they didn't I'm pretty sure they'd fall from the the very top. Might not be a long fall, but still a fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfDGrey
@Fates: The discussion isn't "The top kds cheated and mine didn't, so my kd was better than the top kds </discussion>", nor should it be. You should know that leadership is what makes a kd run and top kds have the best leadership. If those leaders were somewhere else, the kds that they're in would still be the best. These facts have nothing to do with trading.
What you should be concerned with maintaining is that trading supplied an undeniable advantage other those who respected the game's rules. I'm honestly pretty sure that if my first serious kd had traded, they would have been a kd that competed at the top. I'm not saying we would gone up and just dominated, because clearly we wouldn't have, but we would have been so much better off and from there we could have gotten even better because we were competing with higher quality players.
The problem is, I don't know if this would have happened, I can only guess, and the same can be said for anyone who wants to disagree with me.
Thou one thing im 100% sure off is that those that did agree that trading was a socially acceptable thing have had plenty of more fun than those that "stuck to their ethics" (kudos to them but yea, wouldnt wanna be there).
Hahaha! That is hilarious. Of course you are saying that, by stamping the "cheater" tag on everybody who does not agree with you! And THAT, is dumb!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
Look here in your own post:
You talk about "cheaters" and "they claim" at present time and that brings them into present. That means you tag them "cheaters" in the present. That also means they are "still cheaters" and so the kingdoms they are in. Which by any ethical rule of debate is malevolent, derogatory and on top of that idiotic, because we all can see trough that weak political tactic of yours to gain advantage and a high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
Especially when you have no proof, just hearsay and gossip to back up your words, which again makes you the loser with no cause. That is why people do not agree with you and we consider you an unskilled envious egomaniac.
Banned? Yes, I can say, I never been banned. Damn, there does one more of your flagship argument to feel better yourself by spitting on others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Warning
Fates point is that top kingdoms were top, because they had an "unfair advantage" over the others by trading. Now everybody has the same advantages, yet same kingdoms are in top. So the real point is that, the advantages Fates claim some kingdoms had, mean absolutely nothing, their weight in the argument is zero, because everybody has same ground now and those who won in the past should loose now, since, according to Fates dumb argument, they won only because they had "unfair advantages", but Fates kingdom is so good that they would had won in a "fair" enviroment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You can see with your own eyes that this is not the case and the kingdoms kept their places regardless of the "advantages lost".
That means 4 things:
1) Top kds were more skilled and dedicated in the past than the others.
2) Top kds are more skilled and dedicated now than the others.
3) Trading has no real effect in top placement, since regardless of trading top positions remained same.
4) Fates and his kingdom sucked in the past and sucks now too, even when nobody has "unfair advantages" over him.
<back under your bridge>
Well thats not quite true is it, a kingdom that traded in the past when it was illegal has a somewhat advantage over those that didnt. Your point would be valid if nobody had traded in in the past then every would have the same advantages. You cant say a kingdom with 20-25 prov that havent traded before has the same advantages that a kd handpicked people to their kd when it wasnt allowed.Quote:
Now everybody has the same advantages, yet same kingdoms are in top.
The only one I'm disagreeing with is #3. Trading most certainly does have an effect on top placement. I'm sure that if one of the top kds stopped trading, then they would fall. Prolly not off the charts or anything, considering their leadership, but it would have an effect and I'm willing to bet they couldn't maintain their top spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfDGrey
You're point is that trading doesn't matter, which is ridiculous.
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The best kingdom ever is a toss-up between either Orphans, Lothlorien or Pokerface.
The rest of the kingdoms mentioned are either Absalom or Romanian kingdoms thus they are disqualified due to cheating / foulplay.