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Can all of you noobs claiming that accepting + breaking a CF is not lame and considered fair, please PM me your coords every age so I can wave you noobs untill you offer a CF, then accept it to reset relations and wave you again. We'll see who starts complaining then, failers.
Firstly if all this gets resolved between us and my kingdom gets into a war with someone else and you hit into that war, i promise you there will be nothing less then death for your despicable kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
Secondly its cute that you think you are hitting the cap for land. tells me you have no idea what the cap is and you have no idea how much land youve alrdy lost.
fyi running to fort stance only makes the gains disparity worse.
Boko you will get the button once the meter fills up.
Boko he didn't mean he would hit you when you were warring someone else, he meant when he's not in war he hates to TM.
just a clarification just in case. i mean they break CF to reset relations. i wouldnt put it above them to raze into wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastunicorn
lol biased , you are the one who is on aggressive stance trying to defend something which your monarch had openly admitted( mistake or intentional nobody knows).Quote:
Originally Posted by Midoki
And the truth if someone were to condemn , it only takes 1 post to do it. Dont even try talking about fair play in future here .
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Originally Posted by E_Boko
i agree with it . SH just made the bad decision to war . but accepting cf /break cf to reset relations , just wrong even on a genuine mistake .If there's no intention to accept CF in the first place , why click accept or is it that some ppl just can't differentiate accept/reject.
what could SH do? maybe they didnt have friends that could help them or they were all in war atm. with myrmidons reseting relations just because SH didnt send a message first is asinine in the long run. also myr werent accepting CF according to the monarch correct? so what could SH do without outside help? just get farmed for a week?
Midoki why are you still discussing this? This is a mute point, Each side has explained themselves and to be honest theres not even a fude between SH and Myrm from what i can tell and what is isn't anything compared to what you are blowing this up to be. Everyone that is upset is either You, and the people your feeding to flame you. Stop making yourself and the kingdom you represent look worse. DDodge has made a apology and understands in the future there are different paths that should probably be looked at in regards to diplomicy. Why continue this discussion any further?
You must have NO idea about programming, all it takes is a simple if statement on the cancel cf option. If CF set up in past X hours then reject else accept. Wow so freaking hard...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryshad
Couldn't be bothered to copy everything but you admit that the mods have already seen it and they havn't given us a warning. It would appear that although it may not be liked within the community, there is nothing against it. Oh and as for your experiance.... yeah thankyou and goodbye, I know every action has consequences, I can take responsability for myself and I'm use to doing that. From real experiance in Utopia then people will take the time to get to know you still, not everyone reads this and lets other people make up there mind for them.
oooh I can shove my attitude, well well well... seems like I'm hitting a raw nerve ^.^
We aint had the mods or anyone advise us it is clear abuse of the system and considering all the *****ing and moaning going on... it aint like they are unaware about it, the only thing that has been said is the attitude of the community.
Dude calm down, did i say we was going to PK any of you? No. All I said is we lost our ecsess land and some of your orcs are fat little bloaters, if anything it was said in jest. ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
I don't know what the cap is on gains and that is why I asked. Assuming much?
As for the fort stance, I agree, I think we should war you but thats not my choice. It's my monarchs and as long as I'm in that kd i will support my monarch.
Thank you yes, apart from the very beginning when it was kd strat, I have not explored 1 acre otherwise. I'm an attacker and as such I like to make myself as 'powerful' as possable for wars, so I can grab grab grab grab and not lose as much in return. Think 10/10 hits and still comming out as the 2nd largest gainer kinda shows I'm someone who grows in wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastunicorn
Sounds like you made a stupid assumption and now trying to dig your way out, we like to war and war in this game is going into the said relation and fighting... we're a warring kd and not a pathetic out for revenge kd. We like good wars and to have fun through them, win lose or draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
Farmed for a week? For land? lol ok, we would of got bored and moved on after a couple days, we would of outgrew them. What could SH do? They could war or they could ignore us for a day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
We've been hit by your kd for over a day, took our ecsess land but you've also done a load of learns which we never did. Your actually being worse to us than we were to SH, we knew that our land grabs would put them in a pos to war straight away if they didn't want to war us, we didn't aim to cripple any prov. But who cares, its all a game and having stuff like this going on is a lot better than sat around and nothig happening ^.^
I say what I like, if your upset then you are upset. Why mention me being upset? ^.^ Yes i'm frustrated at some of the ignorance but I aint upset. If others are upset... well they aint me. Maybe they should be the ones to move on if they don't like the discussion, as for the kd being hurt by me... really? Was I the one who accepted and cancelled the CF? If I was then wow... when did DDodge learn mind control =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Zav
I may not be the most pleasant person to get along with, I am blunt in my honesty but I don't see how I can make our kd look any worse in the eyes of the community. Some don't think DDodge is sincere so any apology would fall on deaf ears.
i was just making sure that if you hit into a war there would be dire consequences. i read it wrong but the message is still valid. just in case. like i said before, its better to eat a wave sometimes then to fight a losing battle.
if you dont think youre losing, continue hitting out of fort and see where this takes us.
/me shrugs
/me humps DDodge
lol boko our only goal this age is to have fun and this hostility between us is very entertaining :). We could careless about losing land (we wanted to land drop a bit anyway), honor, and science as long as things are interesting and this game isn't boring we are all for it. You guys can do whatever you want but at this point you are just being stubborn and hurting yourself, we are good to go all age baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
we already ate your first wave, also hopefully some of our inactive provinces get back from their holiday breaks so things can become even more exciting :)
from the looks of things this is going down a path that is going to be a bucket of fun! ohhh i love the holiday season so much joy and happiness yay
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Originally Posted by E_Boko
Well in all honesty we are losing in regardes to land, my own stuberness of not wanting to land grab out of war has taken ~800 acres and I'd be a fool to think I was comming out 'better' from that, I will look towards the possatives, fantastic opNW and dpNW values and good thief/mage defence now, I'm perfectly ready for a war >:)
I wont bother paying attention to that warning, not cause I wont listen to you but cause I dont hit into wars... when 2 kds are warring then I'm of the opinion that they should be left to there own enjoyment, it's what I would like.
I also agree fully with you that sometimes it is worth eating a wave and moving on, if it had been just land that you guys took then we may of ignored it, I cant say for sure cause I'm not the monarch but my opinion would of been "Thanks for the land drop, now let us find a war". Grabbing sci and razing isn't going to help us 'forget', gave us more work to do after comming out of that war. Sometimes it is also worth risking everything just so others know that your not a pushover, make yourself such a pain in the backside that other kds wont want to get into 'petty' actions with you... I know I aint worded that properlly, ummm, if people know we aint going to be an easy target then unless they want to fight us, they'll generally leave us alone.
Kinda like the school playground, bullys pick on ppl cause they dont retal. Obviously not everyone hitting is a bully (I'm not calling your kd a bully either, please dont assume the worst all the time) but when the bullys realise that some kds hit back then they ignore the ones who hit back.
Back to the sci cap question, it'll be nice to think your a man and wouldn't be afraid of saying what the cap is... or do you not know and just bluffing about your own knowledge to make yourself look 'leet'? =P
"Back to the sci cap question, it'll be nice to think your a man and wouldn't be afraid of saying what the cap is... or do you not know and just bluffing about your own knowledge to make yourself look 'leet'? =P "
There is no science cap.
If you intended to ask about the acre cap for attacking like you previously asked about:
Traditional March
Base gains are 12% and Traditional March gains are capped at 20% of your or your opponent's land, whichever is smaller. In war, this 20% cap is revised to 22% if your opponent's explore pool is not empty.
You can read it all in the guide:
http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.ph..._%26_Defending
I admit that my knowledge of computer programming is limited but I do have some. However, my knowledge of Utopia isn't so limited. So let me educate you a little more then I already have - No actions or warnings by the Mods does not mean they aren't looking at what you have done. It may not have violated any specific rule but even a first age player can see how it violates the 'spirit of the game' rule. Just because the devs have missed a part of their programming or over looked a way to abuse the system does not mean they wont fix it, it also doesn't mean they immediate action will be taken. It often takes the mods an devs days if not weeks to wade through the mountains of complaints, emails an postings before they can begin to work on a potential solution to a known bug or exploit. Again - if you need evidence of this then please ask your more seasoned players about the vacation mode abuse that took place an how it may not have been an actionable offense when it was first exploited but later it was addressed an was made an actionable offense. I am a betting man by nature an would lay down money that your kingdoms abuse of the relation system is being reviewed an at a later date in time it will be considered an actionable (deletable) offense if they don't just our right put in a min CF time.
it violates no rule
@boko, ryshad and others: Don't get sucked in by these guys. Nobody is going to "win" this discussion. They made their justifications, people apparently burned them, and by all accounts they will probably get burned a few more times in-game. Continuing this thread is just feeding them, like giving them a loudspeaker and a stool in a crowded park.
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Originally Posted by Ryshad
As much as me and Bishop may not see eye to eye on things, I respect him when it comes down to posistion of authority and access to correct information, I'll trust Bishop over you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
In regardes to bug finding, yes it can take time to read through what people have been saying but you also need to apply logic. Learn about the logic and then you have a greater base to build from. That I think will give you the best understanding, working things out for yourself rather than just being told and told to trust it without question... Not saying thats what you done either.
in regardes to the vacation mode, there are a lot more variables to take into consideration, each variable can do with investigating 'down the line' for the possable scenerios etc. Vacation mode has a lot more than breaking a CF, as I said, it is a simple IF block for CF breaking.
I'll be happy to sign a sug; min time CF and if you break it then your kd losses 50% of the total KD honour (transfered for dishonourable action). A representation of what really happens... you do something dishonourable then hit the KDs total honour, tranfer it to the more honourable kd.
I'll admit it can be seen as a dishonourable action, thing is with point of views... which one is right? Mass Majority?
For me thats on a individual bases, for cases like this I prefer to 'sit on the fence' and from time to time I find it fun to try and explain the oppsite point of view for debate.
For everyone I have insulted, I am sorry, I should of been smarter and stuck to less personal comments ^.^
Doesn't change my point of view tho, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. An issue between two kds which everyone else didn't have full knowledge and as such made some comments which we're equally insulting to me.
No amount of trolling ( Midoki I am in no way saying you are ) or fighting will change the outcome of what happened. Would have could have should have are always part of hindsight. If given a reset button both kds might handle things differently but we will never know.
just to clarify, reseting relations violates no in game rule. does not mean it doesnt violate the players code of conduct of which you reap for ages to come (ie your rep and how others look and treat you).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Fair play Boko, I live by taking responsability for my own actions ^.^
I'm confident tho that when people do war us they'll see more of us and realise we aint 'lame', we made that harder for ourselves and so we're going to have to war a lot more kds, im sure over a fun fight and friendly game of connect 4 people will see the real us a bit more =P
As Katje said, if there was a reset button then I think things would of been done differently, the action meant very little to us and didn't think it was such an issue.
Out of curiosity (and not trying to cause trouble), should you never break a CF for the whole age? I'm guessing different people would have different ideas but the initial assumption I get from reading what you said Boko, I would assume not during the remainder of the age?
My main curiosity comes from the 2 main reasons I see for CF, friendship and tactical. No real need to talk about having a CF with a friendly KD cause it kind of explains itself but the tactical one, they can be born from hostile actions. Once the boot is on the other foot then me personally see nothing wrong with breaking the CF and returning the favour, luckily I aint the monarch lol.
As I said, not trying to cause trouble, leave that flame fest behind us, not in defence of our 3 seconds or however long it took either... but curiosity from the subject of CF.
Your condescending post makes no sense. Feeding us? Trust me bud the last thing we want is to keep having this exhausted conversation. I guess there is a silver lining, glorifying our small mistake is making this game more interesting than normal :) So many panties in a knot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheImmortal
Boko are you still going on? Get off your high horse already you are the last person to criticize anything. You act like we killed somebody, cancelling the CF was a mistake that had very little consequences for SH, the outcome of the war would not have been any different. I guess you could make the argument that there would not have been a war in the first place but you have to keep in mind we told them not to bother sending a CF since we won't be accepting yet. SH got over it a while ago yet you go on like you are some white knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
In reality your just some angry monarch who decided to wave us as soon as we got out of eowcf. i guess you decided to take advantage of us while we were down and refused to take your free wave and go away because you had some weird vendetta. Now you are upset we are opping and retal warring you? And your upset we took most of that one Orcs science, what did you expect when you tried to grief us?
To me the most comical part is that you seem upset that we really don't care about being hit and this hostility is actually alot of fun :).
you can break CFs ofc. but not to reset relations and continue the hostile like that. just make sure if there is an agreement to follow it. like 48 hours notice to break CF. stuff like that. some kingdoms do it that way and others dont like to.
im not an angry monarch. had you just took the wave, said no war i would have CFed and moved on. talk to your monarch cause i have the messages still. however you didnt just take the wave and instead opped and retalled back. making aggressive actions isnt "taking a wave".Quote:
Originally Posted by nive
like i said before, me waving you had nothing to do with what you did with SH. you were in range and not much else was around tbh. im not some white knight policing utopia. DDodge knows what i want for a CF.
/me shrugs
i was at work when you waved so i might be a bit out of the loop but the worst aggressive action we could have done before asking you to CF and move on would have been a handful of ops. if you are going to act like a bully over a handful of ops then you are no longer the white knight but the dark knight (man i loved that movie :)) and if my memory serves me correct i don't think we started ops until you refused a CF, but i could be wrong. either way i am not sure why you are so upset, you gotta be chill as a cucumber man, just picture a big giant cucumber going into your mouth and feel how cold and chill it is. on second thought maybe you shouldn't picture that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
Did your mother not teach you that two wrongs don't make a right, SHAME SIR SHAME!
/me smiles
The easiest way to think of utopia is as if it is best example of karma. How you treat kingdoms is how you will be treated in return, do not expect people to treat you fairly or with any respect if you are going to take a cf, then break it so you can wave again.
Any "justifications" that you think you have found will be used against you in the future. Then where do you stand? Two wrongs definitely do not make a right but there are plenty of people that will happily do it anyway just to emphasise the point. The action of taking a cf then dropping it and resuming hits is a fantastic way to earn enemies. Utopia has become a very small community and a lot of kingdoms that are established have friendly kingdoms that in most cases, if looking for a war, will be happy to adapt the same rules you guys want to start making up.
Anyway..... my overall point is that you reap what you sow.
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by nive
most sensible pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Scottish
i would have moved on had you just ate the wave. but you didnt. there were retales and ops done before i talked to DDodge and it got worse after we talked.Quote:
Originally Posted by nive
meh
good article and inspiring. i feel like watching "the matrix". goodjob!
if you actually talked to dodge after we opped and retaled some hits it was due to you ignoring us for a while. dont try so hard to act like your actions were honourable. apparently we are both now scumbags :) welcome to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind!
/me sighs
lol tufkuki called this the most sensible point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Scottish
this is just a useless redundant post, if you think about what you are saying Mad you might realize the holes in your reply.
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Originally Posted by Mad_Scottish
Dude, we've all accepted that we could of done that better and you still need to bring this up? Why do you feel the need to flog a dead horse, we should expect better from people who report the news. Or did you work for News of the World?
As much as people may scream and shout about it breaking community rules (after we had it confirmed it wasn't breaking the game rules like the previous screams and shouts), these rules are not written up, mistakes happen. We've admitted our part in it and you still feel the need to be a immature 'Forum Warrior' and repeat the same old BS?
As for Karma, we do NOT expect anything from anyone. This isn't an excuse for our actions, this is just stating a simple fact, we try to communicate to come to arrangments. We've now got the experiance of this issue to call upon but it wont change how we will try and communicate with other people, if that warrents bad Karma then the world is crazier than I thought. I hope the majority of players who play the game (and not the minority on here) are more mature and realise people do make mistakes and although they wont ignore that mistake, they give the chance to redeem themselves.
I prefer to think of Utopia as Darwinism, ghettos get a lot more grief than 'top' kds (well more likly to be farmed for a start) buy not all those ghettos deserve what they get in a karma world, they get it cause they aint the strongest (or part of the strongest group).
For anyone else who feels like being a nasty lil troll and repeating what so many others have said, yes we have admitted things could of been done differently and we most likly would do things differently if there was a reset button. There isn't a reset button so we can't do that, we can only show our integrety over time, comming on here and flaming us after we have been humble is just showing everyone how much of a troll you really are.
You have admitted. But what I really miss is a apology :)
Wow still alive this topic :)
It's funny that Myrmidons now afraid that other kingdom code of conduct the same like their ...
Now they refusing to CF cause afraid other kingdom accept than Break and continue Wave ...
You guys need to learn not all kingdom dishonourable like your .... please accept that fact ...
Funny Kingdom :p
Its not my job to contact the monarch when I'm doing the wave. I'm not gonna say is it ok if I wave you? My actions were aggressive but in no way dishonorable. I wave, you opped and retale back. Now instead of me going away I'm gonna keep eating from your kingdom until you war us or cry uncle.Quote:
Originally Posted by nive
Btw opping 12 hrs after you said you were done, when you know we were rebuildng for a war now places my attention back on ya. Way to open up the hostile again. I guess the first whooping wasnt enough.
Also how do you ask fo my help with something and then op us? Does that make sense to anyone?
Boko you are twisting things and weaving a little web of denial I believe.
I would suggest you to post our entire irc convo regarding a cf in your kingdom's forum, as I did in mine. It seems like you are in such a fit of pride over this entire saga that you cant look at things objectively. I hate having to post here but why would you post on the forums if you aren't going to speak the truth. Overall its been one giant mess of threats from you, telling me how your kd is pissed and all. My kd is having fun. Fun is #1 priority. Stop letting emotions cloud your judgement as we move forward.
I will do a completely objective recap:
You waved us and we retal some hits as well as unleash ops.
You demanded a free wave, we declined.
After approximately 40ish hours, with the meter at 120-60 in your favor, we chatted on irc.
(im at work but can format the numbers and copy the logs of our convo or whatever when im home)
Estimate is that you were up about 6k acres and probably a million science although coulda been a lot more science I wasnt keeping track.
We offered you a straight up cf. You declined.
You demanded a free wave. We declined.
You have been so consumed with "teaching our ghetto a lesson" as you put it, that you overlooked the fact that you already farmed the hell out of us and have taken tons away from this conflict.
Your 2nd paragraph up there is a non-truth. We haven't hit into you for a long time now, and I pm you saying exactly this: "i have ordered all ops to stop for 12 hours. Whether you chose to do is up to you!"
So you made hits into us, we stuck to our word, and after 12 hours began opping again.
Since you took this public, ill take THIS public.
The icy rick rollin hostile tag is a FAKE hostile. Simply them farming acres/science. We have not made a hit into you for 36 hours now and are seeking to arrange war with someone our size. We held ops for 12 hours, then did some since you were farming us. You threw a hissy fit and that's when pm's from you and your kd started showing up swearing at me. Humorous, but regardless we are certainly battered, beaten and abused.
You destroyed us. Well played. You have taken our acres, science, razed one province, and bombed our faeries/elves with massacres. And you have acted like a hardass every step of the way.
All of that is fine and we have enjoyed it and learned from it!
What is NOT fine is any sort of nonsense about my kd. Trying to make it look like you were mislead or deceived is bad form. I specifically made sure my #1 priority was honesty and straight forward news about what we want. Take my acres, take my science, but don't lie about our diplomacy. There is no excuse for it.
Midoki, I was summing up what the vast majority of people were saying in stops and starts. Whether you agree with my opinion or summary of what has been said because I report for the news on utopia is completely and utterly irrelevant. Just because I hold the position I do does not mean I have to conform with opinions that some may or may not have.
More importantly I was not trying to flog a dead horse, I was actually trying to help your situation by explaining in general terms the conduct that most kds should follow and adhere too.
Anyway, best of luck to the kingdom.
While I was somewhat sad that our kd declined to have Realest hit you back after he found out about your own little web of lies, I must say that the situation you've put yourself in has done a fine job at slaking my thirst for justice. Karma.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
oh look more Indonesian trollsQuote:
Originally Posted by Zidane
Boko you seem very upset that you are part of the naughty boys club now, Santa is so not going to give us any gifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by E_Boko
Common Situation:
A Kingdom - WAVE - B Kingdom
B Kingdom don't want WAR .. they offer CF (in Paper) ... A Kingdom Hits for a bit more ... Accept CF ... than Move on ....
Myrmidons Situation:
A Kingdom - WAVE - Myrmidons
Myrmidons dont want WAR ... they don't offer CF (in Paper) ... Myrmidons keep hitting back and doing ops ... A Kingdom continue WAVE
Myrmidons keep saying they don't want WAR but no CF (in Paper) just telling A Kingdom to move on .. but keep doing ops ...
Amusing :)
Dont make stuff up. I dont enjoy posting in these forums because of that kind of nonsense. I write out in detail what happened, you choose to post something erroneous.
No cf was offered? Talk to your monarch first. Im not taking any more time out of my work day to address inaccurate nonsense, but ill happily post our logs when im home tonight.